GrimmGreen makes the call - no more ProTanks!

[Myrany]

I have a protank 1 and about a dozen evods. They have all been fine for me. That said I rebuild all my heads so I have several boxes of replacement heads just sitting here since the original ones are still going for me 6 months in.

My vaping has mostly moved away from clearo's outside of my driving rig so they are not getting heavy use these days.

 

[John_]

well, if a guy who makes videos says so, i should throw all of mine away

While I agree with your point, and the vaping "celebrities" are not always correct. You'd be an idiot to dismiss their advice without considering why they are giving it. For example Nick and Phil say things that aren't always true or are just flat out wrong, but consider what they're doing. They're taking their experiences and showing the masses, they aren't always right, they aren't always wrong, it's their personal opinion, if you don't like it, so what? Nobody says you have to agree with every opinion that comes out of somebody's mouth. People like Nick have been vaping for a very long time, obviously they've formed opinions and views from their experience, take from it what you will.

 

[AegisPrime]

Nobody says you have to agree with every opinion that comes out of somebody's mouth. People like Nick have been vaping for a very long time, obviously they've formed opinions and views from their experience, take from it what you will.

Yes - Nick's just responding to a lot of the email questions he's getting which would indicate that a number of his followers are having problems with clearos. There's tons of new vapers joining us every day that naturally gravitate to clearos since they seem pretty simple (put the head in, fill the tank, vape) - a lot of vets here are used to having to tinker to get a great vape, newbies just expect it to work without having to watch lots of videos and/or read forum threads.

 

[John_]

Yes - Nick's just responding to a lot of the email questions he's getting which would indicate that a number of his followers are having problems with clearos. There's tons of new vapers joining us every day that naturally gravitate to clearos since they seem pretty simple (put the head in, fill the tank, vape) - a lot of vets here are used to having to tinker to get a great vape, newbies just expect it to work without having to watch lots of videos and/or read forum threads.

While this might be a little off topic, this is why I've failed to convert a few people from smoking. They're still young and don't care about smoking and they don't want to deal with how much you have to fiddle around some times.

 

[Jarbs]

i like how i explained that my comment was pure sarcasm and no one bothered to read that. silly geese.

 

[ConradM]

And that's why I switched to Aspires... No tinkering. Granted, I've never ordered replacement coils for them cause they're still good.

 

[Snickerfritz]

I don't really like the "new" heads with the straight slots. I'm kinda slow, so I'm not really sure how "new" they are, but I have a few with the V-slots that I rebuild regularly. 'Haven't bought heads in a long time...

 

[AegisPrime]

And that's why I switched to Aspires... No tinkering. Granted, I've never ordered replacement coils for them cause they're still good.

Actually, he complained about the Aspire heads too - there's two issues at work - quality control is lacking on replacement heads (many vapers here are used to stock heads being hit-and-miss which is why they build their own) and support/information - watch a number of pbursado videos and you'll see him adjust the airflow on a topper he's using - he might mention it and he might not, the point being that newbies don't understand why, when they screw a ProTank all the way down on their brand new ProVari why they can't get a draw through it - they don't know that most of the air comes through the bottom pin and they've just squished it.

 

[John_]

i like how i explained that my comment was pure sarcasm and no one bothered to read that. silly geese.

I read it, but I needed something to bring up my point.

 

[VaPreis]

Most Protank issues can be attributed to a PEBKAC error. Nothing more, nothing less.

Or as we say in the automotive industry, there's probably a loose nut behind the steering wheel.

 

[Susaz]

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I guess I was lucky, because my ProTanks work really well, and I'm very happy with them. Be careful recommending them, I guess. I know the rate of complaints on them has been rising here and on Reddit lately.

Protanks don't work AT ALL for me. While my husband loves his, and gets plumes of vapor with them. So I tossed them his way and feel jealous with the results he gets. Maybe vaping style? Who knows!

 

[vaperature]

I recommend the protank. I have a protank, three protank minis and two evods. They work better than my iClear 30 does that's for sure. So sometimes heads get mixed up and you don't know what ohms they are, that's why everyone should have a vv device. And also, you bought some heads from an unapproved dealer and got some faulty knock offs, not Kanger's fault.

 

[AegisPrime]

Protanks don't work AT ALL for me. While my husband loves his, and gets plumes of vapor with them. So I tossed them his way and feel jealous with the results he gets. Maybe vaping style? Who knows!

I guess that's the problem - with the huge range of PVs/APVs out there, plus thousands of different juices in different PG/VG ratios, plus a variable amount of technical knowledge of how a topper works, how can someone be sure to get a great vape out of what they buy?

When I first got my PT2 I thought it was... OK - bit disappointed honestly, weak vape, lots of flooding, really tight draw but strangely, good throat hit.

I switched to the iClear 16b that came with my MVP and got tons of vape and it just worked but the throat hit wasn't there.

It was only after experimenting and watching some videos that I realised if you screw the PT all the way down you're blocking the airflow that comes through the center pin - and depending on the APV you've got, you may or may not encounter that problem.

The fix was simple, unscrew the PT a little and screw the beauty ring up to hold it in place - bingo! Stellar vape - plumes of vapour, great taste, great throat hit.

Some people just aren't going to take the time to figure that out though - or won't know where to look to get help - if you post about the PT here people will tell you:

Remove the flavour wick
Turn the grommet upside down
Rebuild the coil
PT's are junk
Mine works fine, it's user error (true in this case, but not explaining why)
etc. etc.

As more inexperienced vapers join our ranks, support for these devices and their associated problems needs to improve and really, that should be coming from the device manufacturers - they need to understand that their user-base is rapidly becoming less experienced and they need to provide good instructions and support to help them.

Oh, and QC is a big issue too - I was dry-burning my stock Kanger head earlier today and noticed only half of the coil was glowing - not a biggie, I'm getting some Kanthal in next week but really, for what you pay, these replacement heads often are just bad.

 

[Rizzyking]

I think the problem is simple go on any ecig forum for last few months and it's protank this evod that I'm not complaining use evods myself but all the new people turning to vaping read all this and I think demand is outstripping production so kanger et al are using other sources to keep up. They are a victim of their own success and may be for a while to come but kanger are building more facilities so at some point the problem will be resolved. Or if you want to be cynical they are lowering quality to increase sails thought I'd get it out there even though I'm sure it's my first suggestion .

 

[LoudMike]

well, if a guy who makes videos says so, i should throw all of mine away

I'm willing to take care of disposal for you.

 

[vaperature]

Personally I'd rather pay $15 for a protank that I have to fiddle with now and then, than pay $150 for the newest star spangled gadget that's suppose to work better.

 

[CosmicCatalyst]

Personally I'd rather pay $15 for a protank that I have to fiddle with now and then, than pay $150 for the newest star spangled gadget that's suppose to work better.

Nothing better than fiddling with a $15 unit and making it work like its $150

 

[AegisPrime]

I think the problem is simple go on any ecig forum for last few months and it's protank this evod that I'm not complaining use evods myself but all the new people turning to vaping read all this and I think demand is outstripping production so kanger et al are using other sources to keep up. They are a victim of their own success and may be for a while to come but kanger are building more facilities so at some point the problem will be resolved. Or if you want to be cynical they are lowering quality to increase sails thought I'd get it out there even though I'm sure it's my first suggestion .

Whilst it may be true that standards may have dropped, I don't think that's it - the ProTank is an incredibly simple hunk of metal and glass and provided it doesn't leak, that the head fits and actually fires when you hit the button, there's nothing physically wrong with it - there's not much to go wrong really.

 

[Ref Minor]

Who is GrimmGreen?

 

[wonner]

Who is GrimmGreen?

He's the guy that upset the ProTank fanboys.