Guess I have to start smoking again...

[JasonK94Z]

Possibilities could be sleep apnea. Wife was diagnosed with it after a sleep study. Always tired, slept like a rock in the mornings and couldn't get going. If this problem continues with you, please look into it with your doctor. It can kill you if left untreated.

Being 51, have your doctor check you for low t. Some folks might giggle when they here this, but it is a health issue for men. It's not all about wanting to run around humping your wife's leg, it's about not losing bone density, lowering risk for prostate cancer, keeping that spare tire off your waist, having energy, being able to concentrate, etc. if you have low t, testosterone therapy just replaces what your body should be producing normally.
Sorry to sound like a commercial. Some things in men's health have been ignored for years and are now starting to finally be addressed.

 

[Topdogie01]

It's not "tired". I feel great. It's that "sleepy" you have when you first wake up. Unless you're one of those "morning people" in which case, I consider you a genetic freak.

My morning dont start before 1pm unless i have a toddler on my computer hitting too many keys at once and making it BEEP (laptop plugged into TV at full volume via HDMI cable) as an alarm clock at 9am, then im wide awake...

 

[DripTips&SpliffHits]

Just another excuse to go back to analogs. Stay strong my friend, find that one PV that really works for you. You can do it, don't give in to the population control like we all have for years.

 

[Nicolay]

The original post was a blast to read, thank you!!!

 

[Rickajho]

In the mean time, anybody know what the heck it was in cigarettes that woke me up in the mornings? Maybe I could find it at the Walgreens?

Dude! Get yourself a nice big box of carbon monoxide! Stick your face in that each morning and watch how quickly your circulatory system climbs to a stroke inducing rate, desperately searching for the oxygen your body craves!

Probably one of the reasons why most heart attacks occur in the first hours after waking... So may I suggest that thing you are searching for from your former butty experience is - bad. May not have been the carbon monoxide, but still...

Have you talked to your provider who prescribes your antidepressant? Now that you have knocked all the extra junk out of your system from smoking - including trace amounts of MAOI's - it may be time for your meds to be titrated. I'm not talking about up - possibly down. More SSRI's doesn't always produce "more" un-depressed. This has to have come up before, right? You can't be the only person they have ever run across, taking an antidepressant who quit smoking, and then "things changes." Smoking impacts lotso things - including the endocrine system. Yank the plug on smoking - some people get more surprises than others.

The "duh" possibility: You in Tejas? And didja happen to notice it's been kinda deadly hot this summer? We slept through July this year - I do believe there was a connection... If I wasn't cranky (to put it politely) I was sleeping through the alarm clock.

If all else fails get some Cinnamon Danish Swirl from The Vapor Room. Bestest vape ever with morning coffee. You will want to get up looking forward to that one.

 

[MonkInsane]

LOL, I know exactly what you mean! When I was still a kid (all the way through high school), I was always late cause I could not get myself outta bed on time. When I started smoking, the problem lessened(didn't go away though), as I would get up to have my morning smoke. Now that I'm vaping, I have resorted to putting my phone(which I use as an alarm) in the study next to my bedroom. Even so, I get up, fetch phone and put the alarm on snooze, and get back in bed. LOL After resnoozing about 4 -5 times, I eventually get up.

And when I'm asleep, You could probably drop a stungrenade right next to me and I'd sleep striaght through it LOL

 

[The Ocelot]

I've been looking at WTA. I don't crave cigarettes, never did after I started vaping, but there does feel like something is missing. I vape 12mg or lower, which is what I started at, anything higher makes me climb the walls, but I'm curious about what else was in cigarettes (besides poison) I might be missing.

 

[Claudia P]

Oh yeah, that's the normal I wanna get back to!

There ain't no such thing as "morning people" in my family. Mornings, growing up, it likes The House Of Zombies. It's some metabolism thing. None of us wake up quickly. Well, at least not without a major adrenaline rush. When I lived in LA, a 5+ earthquake could wake me up kinda fast.



Glad I could help. So many helped me when I got here, I try to pass it on.

And not wanting that "first one in the morning" is a big milestone. Even if you gave in soon as you typed that.

(No, seriously, sometimes, posting on ECF, talking about smoking, the urge would get to me. Got over that in time but sometimes it really irritated me I couldn't talk about quitting smoking without ending up wanting to smoke!)

"First in the morning" with me took at least a month to go. But, one day, a cigarette with coffee actually sounded repulsive and I grabbed the PV instead.

I think that's got something to do with my extended "drowsies". Slow metabolism. Always wake up slowly. Always have. So does everybody else in my family. Gotta be some stimulant in cigs that isn't the nicotine (I'm getting that) which I was used to forcing my metabolism to speed up. Then I went and yanked it away.

I'm sure I'll level off in time.

Next big fight is the weight. Oh. Goodie. I'm prone to "stress eating". So after the storm, I ate pretty much non-stop for all of 2006. Then I finally got things wrapped up in New Orleans and moved. Then the economy tanked. Then... then... then...

And I used to be in pretty good shape. Now, I'd be afraid to go the beach. Greenpeace might try to push me back in the water...

I didn't give in until after 4.
Another thing I'm noticing is that I'm not eating as much, apparently the nice flavors are satisfying my snack appetite.

I was born and raised in southern California and lived there 50 years, there are only a few earthquakes that I even noticed in all that time. More often than not I would never have known there had been one if someone else didn't say something. That said I'll take earthquakes over tornadoes any day, the earthquakes either comes or it doesn't with no warning, the tornadoes on the other hand have warning after warning that scare you to death whether it actually happens or not, and 99% of the time it doesn't. I do get more exercise though, running up and down the stairs to the basement getting all of the important papers and stuff into a safe place.
I guess that can be a good thing, a free stress test, if I survive my heart is fine, if not oh well. LOL

 

[mkbilbo]

Dude! Get yourself a nice big box of carbon monoxide! Stick your face in that each morning and watch how quickly your circulatory system climbs to a stroke inducing rate, desperately searching for the oxygen your body craves!

<smacks forehead>

Of course! My pickup has a tailpipe! I could just smoke that!

(Considering the things in cig smoke, that might actually be the healthier habit?)

Probably one of the reasons why most heart attacks occur in the first hours after waking... So may I suggest that thing you are searching for from your former butty experience is - bad. May not have been the carbon monoxide, but still...

Have you talked to your provider who prescribes your antidepressant? Now that you have knocked all the extra junk out of your system from smoking - including trace amounts of MAOI's - it may be time for your meds to be titrated. I'm not talking about up - possibly down. More SSRI's doesn't always produce "more" un-depressed. This has to have come up before, right? You can't be the only person they have ever run across, taking an antidepressant who quit smoking, and then "things changes." Smoking impacts lotso things - including the endocrine system. Yank the plug on smoking - some people get more surprises than others.

Honestly? It's a thing at a level of "rant about on ECF". Not "run to the doctor" level. It's a nuisance. Like I missed trash pick up this morning. I do need to get up at the "crack of dawn" to take the trash out. Live rural enough, you put it out at night, you're risking spending the next day cleaning up after the racoons. And/or other nocturnal visitors.

Turned the alarm off. In my sleep no less. I only remember hitting the snooze button once or twice and thinking vaguely how great this much, much improved quality of sleep was and I felt so good and... suddenly it was nine. Did stay up a little too late playing hide and seek with a field mouse who has apparently decided to take up residence in the stove. Did not win that round. Then somebody woke me around 4:30 making a weird racket. Got up to see if I caught the mouse. Nope. Realized the noise was from a whole other direction. Last time that happened, it was an armadillo. Not the most coordinated drivers of the animal kingdom. They've been rooting around the yard for grubs and all. Which is fine with me. It's the "crash into things" and "walk under the pickup scraping that hard shell against metal stuff" that I could do without.

It's that bucolic, quiet "country living" people go on about so much.

(I grew up rural. Very rural. Unincorporated piney woods. K-12 on the same campus at the school. Once a month shopping trips to the metropolis of 18,000 within driving range. In my mid-twenties, moved to Los Angeles. So I've done rural, I've done urban. Have illusions about neither. After Katrina and with this "getting older" thing, decided between a half hour to an hour outside a city was about the best compromise. Found a small place at the end of a road with nothing but woods behind me. Close enough to Austin to get anything I need a city for, far enough away my traffic problems are... armadillos.)

And I seem to be channeling grandpa. I'm not just wandering off topic, I'm telling stories. Lord that man could talk. So can his daughter (aka "mom"). Me, I'm a weird mix. In person, I take after grandma who rarely said a word. Put me at a keyboard, though, look out!

The "duh" possibility: You in Tejas? And didja happen to notice it's been kinda deadly hot this summer? We slept through July this year - I do believe there was a connection... If I wasn't cranky (to put it politely) I was sleeping through the alarm clock.

This summer? Puhleese. Highest was 103 and that was just one day. You shoulda been here for the heat wave. Back when I actually caught myself saying, "105's not so bad long as the humidity's low but 107's pushing it".

(I was in the city two days a week that year. It's hotter over there than out here. They were at 105-107 a lot that summer. Oof.)

If all else fails get some Cinnamon Danish Swirl from The Vapor Room. Bestest vape ever with morning coffee. You will want to get up looking forward to that one.

Or lay there thinking, "Mmmm... that sounds so goodzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...."

Really, I'm not all that concerned about it. Rant worthy but that's about it. Clearly my metabolism (which is naturally slow to begin with) is seeking some new equilibrium. Things changed on it. Radically changed. I've had it swing a couple of times between sleeping late to bouncing out of bed like a jack-in-the-box (punctuated early on with some insomnia that may or may not have been related to my evening nic level).

And, seriously, "sleep nearly as good as my twenties" as a "side effect"? Yeah I wanna cure that.

NOT.

Heh, I was muttering and grumpy over missing trash pick up while I was getting the coffee going this morning. Only to have this moment of, "Your worst side effect of quitting smoking is oversleeping and being extra drowsy some weeks? That's what you're riled up about? You, sir, are an idiot."

 

[DC2]

I've been looking at WTA.

I keep some WTA around and use it as needed.
It calms and relaxes me more than nicotine alone, and I use it when things get stressful.

But it definitely doesn't help wake me up.

 

[mkbilbo]

I didn't give in until after 4.

Which is quite cool. Happy dance.

Another thing I'm noticing is that I'm not eating as much, apparently the nice flavors are satisfying my snack appetite.

I was born and raised in southern California and lived there 50 years, there are only a few earthquakes that I even noticed in all that time. More often than not I would never have known there had been one if someone else didn't say something. That said I'll take earthquakes over tornadoes any day, the earthquakes either comes or it doesn't with no warning, the tornadoes on the other hand have warning after warning that scare you to death whether it actually happens or not, and 99% of the time it doesn't. I do get more exercise though, running up and down the stairs to the basement getting all of the important papers and stuff into a safe place.
I guess that can be a good thing, a free stress test, if I survive my heart is fine, if not oh well. LOL

Heh. I can't make up my mind. Grew up in East Texas with big, wild thunderstorms that could spawn tornadoes. Never on the scale like they get on the plains. Often didn't even touch down. Tended to throw pine trees. Threw one into a neighbor's house once. Worst we ever got was a big, thirty foot tree that was grabbed, spun, and fell over on the fence. The roots looked so weird. Spiraled around. Big tree but something tried to spin it like a top.

Lived in LA a decade. Got "ho hum" about earthquakes like everybody else. Though I was around for Hector Mine. Now that was a ride and a half. We were lucky it was centered so far outside the city. If it had been close in... oh boy.

Then, of course, lovely Katrina (and her sister Rita which I rode out and I will NEVER do that again thankyewveddymuch). At least they can see those things coming. Though Katrina only gave us two days warning. She jumped track suddenly early, early Saturday morning. We all went to be thinking she'd hit Florida. Woke up to the TV chanting, "GET OUT! GET OUT! GET OUT!"

I dunno which I think is worse.

Though earthquakes may be the funniest. Small one hit once while I was talking to a lady who had been walking her dog. The dog freaked and drug her half a block trying to find a hiding place. It was like cartoon thing. The look on her face, unable to get the wrist thing of the leash off, trying to keep up with the dog so she didn't fall but stumbling since you can't walk in a quake, much less run... sometimes, in quakes, goofy things like that, I'd never know whether to wet my pants or laugh myself silly.

(Or both?)

 

[Gaspar74]

Wish I could say I sleep better. Exact opposite went through 4 weeks of massive anxiety still dealing with it. I've since started using melatonin and it seems to help but I wake up after 4 hrs and then toss and turn. As for mornings yeah I drag too. I need to vape more in am then I would smoking butts but I made the decision to quit and I'm sticking to it.

 

[martinc]

I sleep like a rock...slept through an earthquake last summer.

I second the full medical advice though; I just had one (feeling tired a lot) and they found that I have low blood iron almost at an alarming lvl...odd,my bros have too much iron in their blood and need to be drained regularly (hemochromatose)

 

[mkbilbo]

Wish I could say I sleep better. Exact opposite went through 4 weeks of massive anxiety still dealing with it. I've since started using melatonin and it seems to help but I wake up after 4 hrs and then toss and turn. As for mornings yeah I drag too. I need to vape more in am then I would smoking butts but I made the decision to quit and I'm sticking to it.

If you're still early in the switch, it can get crazy. I didn't start getting really great sleep immediately. It came along after a while. Don't remember how long. But it was not "overnight success". I had insomnia bad early on. I couldn't get to sleep until 3, 4 in the morning. Didn't feel bad nor "toss and turn", I was just wide awake. My whole sleep schedule went completely nuts. Then swung wildly the other direction and I couldn't seem to sleep enough. It was a roller coaster for a while.

Exact opposite went through 4 weeks of massive anxiety still dealing with it.

I have been reading, lately, about the MAOIs in cigarettes. Actual anti-depressants. Of all things. For some (even many?), withdrawing from those could be as bad or worse than a nicotine withdrawal. With vaping, you get the nic of course, but you don't get the MAOIs. And withdrawal from anti-depressants is miserable. I know. I've done it.

Serious depression runs in my family and I had it. I say "had" because when SSRIs came along (the Prozac family though I'm on Zoloft), that worked. Been on an SSRI nearly 20 years now. Had a period without insurance, before it went off patent and generic and cheap, tried weaning myself off on my own. Oh. Wow. Not. Fun. Anxiety would have been an improvement. I was damn near paranoid!

Oof.

You might be able to get a doc to give you something short term for the anxiety. They've gotten skittish because the benzo group is addictive and the governments have been getting all "drug war" about them. But getting off smoking is so beneficial to your health, a doctor might think it's worth a short run of something like xanax maybe?

I need to vape more in am then I would smoking butts...

That, don't even worry about in the least. Unless you're actually making yourself sick with too much nic, I don't believe there is a "vaping too much". The absorption of the nic is different. Carried by smoke into the lungs, the nic is picked up very, very fast. Gets to the brain in as little as ten seconds. Vaping, it's absorbed mostly in the mouth and nasal passages. Which is a slower process. I think "vaping more than I smoked" is normal. In my opinion it's pretty much inevitable. It's a totally different "delivery system".

In fact, I smoked at a much, much reduced level for the first six weeks about. Particularly that "first one in the morning". I could coast along on vaping for hours after that first one. It took at least a month before I could get by without my first cig in the morning.

I was just kinda ranting and mostly tongue-in-cheek. My "zombie" routine and tendency to oversleep is just an annoying side of a positive thing. Over time, the quality of my sleep has improved immensely. Further I got from smoking any at all, the better it got. I think my metabolism has "overshot" twice now and this is my second "zombie" bit. Last time was actually worse. I could have napped three days straight. This time, I'm just really, really slow to wake up in the morning. But I sleep great.

Hang in there. The good stuff is on it's way. But your body has to make a big adjustment. They count some 4,000 (!) chemicals in cig smoke. The only one vaping gives you is the nicotine. You stopped the other 3,999. That's a lot of "adjusting" your body has to do!

I will never forget one of the first really cool, positive effects. I needed to do some official property tax mess at the county office. It was a really nice day outside and I decided to sit for a little bit on a bench and vape a while. Started smelling this light, sweet smell that wasn't my vape. Wasn't sure what it was. Then spotted this small bush with tiny little blue flowers at least ten, fifteen feet away.

When I'd smoked, I couldn't have smelled those if I'd shoved my face in the bush!

 

[Claudia P]

One of the things I have that goes along with my panic disorder and ear infections as a kid is a poor equilibrium, I don't actually stagger or fall down or anything like that I just get this mild kind of squishy feeling. I'm pretty sure this is the reason I rarely noticed earthquakes, and when I did unless it was a doozy I would just feel a little dizzy and wonder if it was and earthquake or not. I would feel the shakers but not the rock and rollers, and most of them in California are rock and rollers. Of course I felt the San Fernando and the Northridge quakes and I watched the Big Bear quake from my front porch. I was in Riverside county at that time and had a gorgeous view of the San Bernardino mountains, huge clouds of dust raised up from that one and it was very eerie to watch, where I was it was a weird feeling of why is my chair massaging my fanny. LOL
The morning of the Northridge/Big Bear quake I was rudely awakened by a friend calling and asking if I was OK, I said I was perfectly fine until the phone rang and scared me half to death. lol
Most of the time the only way I knew if it was really an earthquake or not was to look at the aquarium and see if the water was moving strangely, most of the time it was not.

My mother on the other hand was terrified at the slightest movement but she had good reason, she lived in Long Beach when the big quake hit there in I think it was 1939, and she watched my grandmother's grand piano go out the bay window. My uncle was walking into the Gymnasium at Woodrow Wilson High School as it collapsed around him. I never saw any of the big ones first hand, only on TV so they didn't seem real to me. Funny the TV pics of tornado damage looks completely real to me and I've never had one hit close enough to me to suffer anything worse than terror and power outages and maybe a few broken tree limbs.

And to stay on subject, no first smoke today yet so maybe soon the morning smoke will be a thing of the past. Now if I can find the juices I really like and get enough supplies to last me a while if they shut this thing down, before I go broke I will be a happy camper.

The brain fog is starting to lift and I'm having thoughts about painting or crafting even though I've yet to become motivated enough to actually start anything. The first 3 weeks I was completely consumed with thinking about vaping, supplies and smoking.

 

[mkbilbo]

One of the things I have that goes along with my panic disorder and ear infections as a kid is a poor equilibrium, I don't actually stagger or fall down or anything like that I just get this mild kind of squishy feeling. I'm pretty sure this is the reason I rarely noticed earthquakes, and when I did unless it was a doozy I would just feel a little dizzy and wonder if it was and earthquake or not.

I have an iffy left inner ear and am prone to dizzy spells here and there long as I can remember. But nothing on that scale definitely. Sometimes, I'd even noticed the tiny quakes.

(My dizzy spells are distinctly different from a quake when they happen. The whole world "tilts". Doesn't affect my driving. And I've had them come and go since I was a kid so I recognize them. Just every now and again, I grab something tight because the floor decided to tilt about 45 degrees for the heck of it.)

Heh, second time I moved out there, I was there about a week when I was laying on the floor, watching some TV late (ish) when the ground went "bump". I think I looked it up and it was, like, a 2.8. Really, really small. Probably only felt it because I just happened to be right on the floor when it happened.

I joked it was my "Welcome back!" from Ma Nature. Sort of a threatening one.

I would feel the shakers but not the rock and rollers, and most of them in California are rock and rollers. Of course I felt the San Fernando and the Northridge quakes and I watched the Big Bear quake from my front porch. I was in Riverside county at that time and had a gorgeous view of the San Bernardino mountains, huge clouds of dust raised up from that one and it was very eerie to watch, where I was it was a weird feeling of why is my chair massaging my fanny. LOL
The morning of the Northridge/Big Bear quake I was rudely awakened by a friend calling and asking if I was OK, I said I was perfectly fine until the phone rang and scared me half to death. lol
Most of the time the only way I knew if it was really an earthquake or not was to look at the aquarium and see if the water was moving strangely, most of the time it was not.

Heh. Reminds me a little of the way Hector got started. I was up way too late working on something on the computer. Back then, big monitors were gigantic and I had this industrial strength "arm" thing so I could move the monitor around, position it where I wanted. It started doing a small little dance. I thought, "oh man, I should have been in bed hours ago huh?" I thought it was my eyes from staying up so freaking late.

Then the big waves rolled in. The monitor did way more than "dance" and my closet, which had "sliding" doors, started opening and closing itself. Wheeee!

I was more used to the "shakers" myself. Like Whittier. That one was like a giant banging his fist against the apartment building. Hector had big, long waves. Kind of like being on a boat. That was the freakiest one I've been through. You could feel the waves and the ground "pitching" and "rolling".

My mother on the other hand was terrified at the slightest movement but she had good reason, she lived in Long Beach when the big quake hit there in I think it was 1939, and she watched my grandmother's grand piano go out the bay window. My uncle was walking into the Gymnasium at Woodrow Wilson High School as it collapsed around him.

I think '33? I know the one you mean though. Lived in LB most of my time out there. Definitely couldn't live there more than a week without running into hearing about that one and how it just about leveled the city. One of the big discussions going on in the city council in my day out there was preserving the few buildings that survived the big one. Weren't many.

Yeah I couldn't blame her at all. I remember looking through the old photos of the big one there. Whoa. I mean it just about wiped Long Beach off the freaking map.

Reminds me of a friend of mine (who passed at a much, much too young an age, he was 47) who grew up around Anchorage. He was there for the biggest quake in US history. That was a 9.2. Which explained why he was so nonchalant about 5s and 6s and even kind of shrugged off Hector (which was 7.1 but centered way the heck out in the desert). Guess if you got through the second largest quake of recorded history, the rest seem kinda small?

I never saw any of the big ones first hand, only on TV so they didn't seem real to me. Funny the TV pics of tornado damage looks completely real to me and I've never had one hit close enough to me to suffer anything worse than terror and power outages and maybe a few broken tree limbs.

I just missed Northridge. I left LA for a few years for work. Got all the details though from friends I was in touch with. Lots of, "Remember going to X? It fell down." and stuff like that. That one rattled me because I was watching it from a distance and still had a lotta friends out there. And you know the first thing to go out are the phones. Getting hold of anybody for a while is just a joke. Did some nail biting for a while.

And to stay on subject, no first smoke today yet so maybe soon the morning smoke will be a thing of the past. Now if I can find the juices I really like and get enough supplies to last me a while if they shut this thing down, before I go broke I will be a happy camper.

The brain fog is starting to lift and I'm having thoughts about painting or crafting even though I've yet to become motivated enough to actually start anything. The first 3 weeks I was completely consumed with thinking about vaping, supplies and smoking.

Definitely have fun with it. I think the positive stuff "pulls" you away from the cigs and they start to seem really "bleah" in comparison...

 

[DC2]

I just missed Northridge. I left LA for a few years for work.

My girlfriend (now wife) was living up in Northridge with her parents during that quake.
I drove up the following weekend and I noticed a lot of moving vans in front of people's houses.

Something about the ground shaking that hard beneath your feet can instantly remove all sense of stability for some people.

I have lived in San Diego pretty much my whole life and that Northridge quake, which was 150 miles away, is still the biggest I ever felt.
In fact, it is the only quake that ever even got me out of bed, or out of a chair, or off the couch.

 

[Claudia P]

The San Fernando quake is the only one that ever rattled me and then only for a few minutes, I was asleep on a couch in Southgate, beneath a big picture window and stuff started coming off the walls. I rolled into the back of the couch and covered up good till it stopped, but then one of the friends I was staying with was in such a panic while trying to pretend to be the macho man who could solve the world's problems single handedly that it got funny. I realize he was trying not to scare his wife, who was a native and not scared at all, but he was hilarious. The cool thing was that within a week we were one of few who weren't moving out and the yard sales were fabulous, got lots of good bargains.

I still haven't had my morning analog and feeling pretty good about that.

 

[BigBen2k]

Here's your "missing link":

Also, every single one of us needs to understand the difference between cigarette addiction and nicotine addiction. I say this with humility, not trying to be arrogant.

The two are NOT the same. Cigarettes are extremely addictive because of nic + MAOI's. Nicotine by itself is not as addictive. If it was, how are so many 10-50 year smokers stepping down to 0 nic juice? Nicotine by itself is like a caffeine addiction. Yes, some people are very addicted to caffeine, but they sure as hell don't need a cup of coffee every 15 min all day long. It's also an addiction that CAN be stopped. Cigarettes...yeah...we know how easy those are to quit.

All of us have to understand the difference, so we can also explain to other people that there is a difference. Nicotine is not crack ......., nicotine + MAOI's is.

"BACKGROUND: Long-lasting effects of withdrawal from nicotine are hypothesized to contribute to relapse and persistence of tobacco habits, and significant evidence supports a role of monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOI) contained in cigarette smoke as potent modulators of the rewarding effects of tobacco.

RESULTS: In nicotine-infused rats, mecamylamine induced a place aversion that lasted 6 weeks. When nicotine-infused rats were also treated with a MAOI, mecamylamine-induced conditioned place aversion persisted for at least 8 months of abstinence. The MAOI treatment slightly decreased ratings of somatic signs induced by mecamylamine administration but had no effect on the threshold or the magnitude of mecamylamine-induced conditioned place aversion."

I can't say I understand every part of the results, but I do understand:
Nicotine= 6 weeks
Nicotine+MAOI= 8 months

There is a difference.

 

[Rickajho]

Heh, I was muttering and grumpy over missing trash pick up while I was getting the coffee going this morning. Only to have this moment of, "Your worst side effect of quitting smoking is oversleeping and being extra drowsy some weeks? That's what you're riled up about? You, sir, are an idiot."

Oh sheesh gosh I'm not gonna say...

Ummm.... If we can't fix you at least we can agree with you? (NEVER give me an opening like that! lol)