Guide to DIY Flavoring
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What I posted was from HappyVapers site.
My understanding of the two: The Wizard rounds of flavours whilst the mask alters PH. Notwithstading, they are both "flavour enhancers", but serve 2 different purposes.
I do not use the Mask but have used the Wizzard, and what can I say it is a Wizzard. How does it do it? I don't really care LOL. Just like a 2x4 is a 2x4, not a bunch of would molecules held together. It's just simply a 2x4.
When a mix is missing something, like I'll add a drop or 2 od EM or marshmallow to take away he dryness. Sometimes it is insufficient. But a drop of wizzard cures what ails it. Now I am not talking above and beyond what has been added (EM or marsh) but the enxt time the batch is created. BTW I let everything sit for 48hrs before adjustment and use.
Hope that helped
My understanding of the two: The Wizard rounds of flavours whilst the mask alters PH. Notwithstading, they are both "flavour enhancers", but serve 2 different purposes.
I do not use the Mask but have used the Wizzard, and what can I say it is a Wizzard. How does it do it? I don't really care LOL. Just like a 2x4 is a 2x4, not a bunch of would molecules held together. It's just simply a 2x4.
When a mix is missing something, like I'll add a drop or 2 od EM or marshmallow to take away he dryness. Sometimes it is insufficient. But a drop of wizzard cures what ails it. Now I am not talking above and beyond what has been added (EM or marsh) but the enxt time the batch is created. BTW I let everything sit for 48hrs before adjustment and use.
Hope that helped
I took a look at FlavorArt's main site and it is two different animals. I guess the next thing would be to make a request to this new supplier to stock some. I'm gonna be sending in an order in the next few days, so I'll make a request then and see what happens.
I'm not sure, as I've never tried either of them, however I (if you read that thread I linked) I hypothesized that Loranns Sour Mix may have something to do with it. Homeotheraphy is based on the same principles (treatment with a substance similar to the causative agent of the disease), so is several of the cleaning agents, and even the vaccines that we give our children, to an extent.
Basically: adding the same/similar ingredient, cancels out the source problem.
So I wondered if adding some of the Loranns Tart & Sour would 'cancel' out the sourness of a bad fruit juice, thereby making it sweeter. The label says that adding a little will make it sweeter (better) and that adding a lot will make it sour.
One of them (don't remember which) also mentioned additional vapor, so I mixed the Sour with VG. Now when I tried it, it did taste better IMHO. There was an improvement in both flavor and vapor, but I did not get far, and of course I have nothing to compare it too. Also worth noting- I did not compare with and w/o side by side. It's possible there is also another ingredient, say EM, or PG.
Anyway, that's all just a theory.
A little off topic with the vape Wizard and Magic Mask, but to clarify the Vape Wizard contains Magic Mask in it and also has something else, according to the FlavourArt site. But take that discussion to leannebug's thread about it.
Freedomsmokeusa does not exactly have the flavorings for sale, they use FA to make their e-liquids. I've heard there will be a new US supplier for FA soon, though.
Freedomsmokeusa does not exactly have the flavorings for sale, they use FA to make their e-liquids. I've heard there will be a new US supplier for FA soon, though.
Still haven't received a solid response on this in another thread.
Brewing tazo black loose leaf tea in PG.
Adding nic.
Will it work? I also have ethyl malitol or whatever it is and sucralose on the way for a possible sweet tea flavor.
Brewing tazo black loose leaf tea in PG.
Adding nic.
Will it work? I also have ethyl malitol or whatever it is and sucralose on the way for a possible sweet tea flavor.
Please stand corrected as freedomsmokes do indeed have Fa flavourings for sale. Check the link.
Freedom Smoke USA
That's strange, my browser had a cached version of the page stored and now it's completely different. I'll add it to FA suppliers.
@keveck: I don't know much about extraction, see this thread: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/79342-diary-bad-idea-e-juice.html
I PM'd the author of the thread asking him to update it.
@keveck: I don't know much about extraction, see this thread: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/79342-diary-bad-idea-e-juice.html
I PM'd the author of the thread asking him to update it.
Sorry bout going off topic, I was excited about finding a new supplier in the US.
For all the LorAnn people - You can get it at a lot of pharmacies. They seem to stock it all year. They won't have all the flavors, but it's worth asking if they will order for you. They probably won't charge you shipping and handling. You probably just have to wait until they put in their next order. I just was at Walgreen's last week and they had a nice selection. I've also gotten a lot at Acme grocery store (at their pharmacy). They carry a lot around the holidays - check maybe in October/November. They even special ordered some for me of flavors they didn't have in stock. But they will only do this at that certain time of year. I don't know when their "holiday" time starts.
Made some updates, added some links. Check out the Pay It Forward for DIYers.
Getcusome, I have no idea, but it does say drops are flammable, so I wouldn't want to use them anyway. They may have a high alcohol content.
Janet, that's strange. Why do they sell LorAnn's at pharmacies?
Getcusome, I have no idea, but it does say drops are flammable, so I wouldn't want to use them anyway. They may have a high alcohol content.
Janet, that's strange. Why do they sell LorAnn's at pharmacies?
That was my next query. I don't understand about the use of alcohol in flavourings.
Someone can buy 80 or 100 proof etc. vodka or Bacardi for example. With a guide and measurement, one can vape it.
When I ran out of flavourings, I purchased at the supermarket Imitation Brandy Extract although I haven't tried it yet.
It contains: propylene glycol, water, alcohol, artificial flavour, and caramel.
(As I understand from the thread, caramel is a sugar and not good to vape; sticky.)
(I also learned that store-bought flavourings are weak.)
However, what about the alcohol.
For example, "some people use the oil-based flavorings but they usually mix them with alcohol first".
I can understand that if the alcohol (and the rest of the ingredients) stay in the cart with my poly-filler, that might be ok, but
what happens when you drop any flavouring with alcohol in it, into the atty? I've read that some people drop a drop or two of flavouring into the atty and I've done that with my other flavourings to get more vapour. I know alcohol burns off quickly and is sometimes used as a purifier, but with any amount of alcohol, won't the red-hot heat in the atty start a fire or create intense heat? Won't the wick in the atty fry? Thanks
The reason I said I wouldn't want to use it is because a high alcohol content means it would make the liquid thinner, so it would be difficult to use unless you were using VG.
There is generally no risk of combustion unless you try vaping pure ethanol (alcohol). All liquids have something called a flash point and something called an autoignition temperature. At the flash point it needs an ignition source to burn, so even though you heat the alcohol up, it won't ignite without a 'spark' like engine fuel. That's why even if your engine is hot and you've been driving you can add more fuel and it won't ignite until you turn it on.
Ethanol Flash Point: 55 F, Autoignition: 689 F
Gasoline Flash Point: -40 F, Autoignition: 475 F
In fact, there are some people who vape alcohol intentionally for the quicker and stronger buzz, but the hangovers are supposed to be pretty strong too.
There is generally no risk of combustion unless you try vaping pure ethanol (alcohol). All liquids have something called a flash point and something called an autoignition temperature. At the flash point it needs an ignition source to burn, so even though you heat the alcohol up, it won't ignite without a 'spark' like engine fuel. That's why even if your engine is hot and you've been driving you can add more fuel and it won't ignite until you turn it on.
Ethanol Flash Point: 55 F, Autoignition: 689 F
Gasoline Flash Point: -40 F, Autoignition: 475 F
In fact, there are some people who vape alcohol intentionally for the quicker and stronger buzz, but the hangovers are supposed to be pretty strong too.
thanks Pure 
Just a note: Ok, I took the plunge hee hee... ie. not knowing if I'd burn an atty wick as I only have 2 attys and no flavourings until my supply comes in Wednesday.
After reading your post I gained some confidence. This long weekend, I'm vaping the Imitation Brandy Extract from the store (43 ml $4.99) and it's great! I haven't mixed it with anything (comes with water in it so it's already thinned down). Vapes well. No alcohol, burnt, or aftertaste.
My friend says it tastes like brandy cake and I find it rather smooth. I might try a little pure or imitation vanilla extract, with its propylene glycol as well.
Just a note: Ok, I took the plunge hee hee... ie. not knowing if I'd burn an atty wick as I only have 2 attys and no flavourings until my supply comes in Wednesday.
After reading your post I gained some confidence. This long weekend, I'm vaping the Imitation Brandy Extract from the store (43 ml $4.99) and it's great! I haven't mixed it with anything (comes with water in it so it's already thinned down). Vapes well. No alcohol, burnt, or aftertaste.
My friend says it tastes like brandy cake and I find it rather smooth. I might try a little pure or imitation vanilla extract, with its propylene glycol as well.
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I have always been a caramel lover....started vaping in March 2008...after 30 years of 2 packs a day. I quit with a 510 and 555 blend. After my tastebuds returned, I desired more caramel and less tobacco flavor.
This is the result of my quest for the perfect old fashioned caramel taste.
Loranns.....Yuck...chemical taste 1/5
capellas....getting closer...needed 20% even after sitting for 48 hours 3/5
flavourart......much closer.....needed 15%...still missing something 3/5
Talked to Linda at PA..(.what a delightful lady)She sent me samples of two caramels before she posted a DIY section for us. The first was labeled caramel and it was spot on for a good caramel at 10%. The second was labelled caramel candy as she explained that old fashioned caramel had a rum background. I started at 10% and checked after 24 hours and WOW...too much flavor is a bad thing. Flavourart caramel candy at 5% is the most perfect caramel for me. She has not added the flavor as yet (last I checked) but....it is the perfect caramel for me. 5/5
It is most cost effective, has better flavor at lower % and reminds me of penny candy childhood dreams.
In my experience...and I mix all of my own e-liquid.......more is not better. Let the mix sit for 24-48 hours
to enhance the base flavor use EM before adding more flavoring
Start low and patiently add as needed.
Just my 2 cents of penny candy caramel
Happy mixing
on another note...
I have 20 years of experience calculating chemotherapy doses and was distracted and mixed 100 mg nic as if it were 24 mg.(while cooking,caring for a 3 year old and watching Oprah) .....DO NOT USE 100 MG E-Liquid unless you are experienced and not distracted. This is embarrassing to admit but worth it to bring serious nature to attention of new DIYers. I caught the error as I always recheck each bottle like I did the meds. Check twice, calculate twice, place each ingredient aside together and recheck bottles after mixing. Good quality assurance= safety.
Happy SAFE mixing
Great OP...been following since start...thanks!
This is the result of my quest for the perfect old fashioned caramel taste.
Loranns.....Yuck...chemical taste 1/5
capellas....getting closer...needed 20% even after sitting for 48 hours 3/5
flavourart......much closer.....needed 15%...still missing something 3/5
Talked to Linda at PA..(.what a delightful lady)She sent me samples of two caramels before she posted a DIY section for us. The first was labeled caramel and it was spot on for a good caramel at 10%. The second was labelled caramel candy as she explained that old fashioned caramel had a rum background. I started at 10% and checked after 24 hours and WOW...too much flavor is a bad thing. Flavourart caramel candy at 5% is the most perfect caramel for me. She has not added the flavor as yet (last I checked) but....it is the perfect caramel for me. 5/5
It is most cost effective, has better flavor at lower % and reminds me of penny candy childhood dreams.
In my experience...and I mix all of my own e-liquid.......more is not better. Let the mix sit for 24-48 hours
to enhance the base flavor use EM before adding more flavoring
Start low and patiently add as needed.
Just my 2 cents of penny candy caramel
Happy mixing
on another note...
I have 20 years of experience calculating chemotherapy doses and was distracted and mixed 100 mg nic as if it were 24 mg.(while cooking,caring for a 3 year old and watching Oprah) .....DO NOT USE 100 MG E-Liquid unless you are experienced and not distracted. This is embarrassing to admit but worth it to bring serious nature to attention of new DIYers. I caught the error as I always recheck each bottle like I did the meds. Check twice, calculate twice, place each ingredient aside together and recheck bottles after mixing. Good quality assurance= safety.
Happy SAFE mixing
Great OP...been following since start...thanks!
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