Has anyone seen this report from Healthday news
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I fully agree. And I will do my part.
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Fair enough . We must ask them to attack a little more in some cases, though. It's not that I'm upset by people coming on to a vaping forum to criticise people who vape. It's that I'm outraged by it. Time to stamp it out. With very big boots.
I fully agree. And I will do my part.
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I would say that more than half the time I see this sort of side effects list, I'm like, "I'll just put some dirt on it instead, and tough it out."
The Chantix list of side effects always makes me laugh.
That list can pretty much be applied to any and all drugs offered to me by various doctors. At least, I took some enjoyment from smoking. Sure, it would have killed me, but it didn't make me wanna kill myself.
Oh, come on Anjaffm - why not just say what you think?
Shhhh... do not tempt our dear friend Anja... are you trying to bait her into trouble?
Some of us know what she's capable of !
I do not know if "vapers are crazy", as they were trying to imply on that artice.
But I do know THIS long-term vaper IS starting to feel crazy and crazier by the day. Not because of any "unknown" effect from my device, but because of the BS I see everyday on the news. A masquerade of "science" to make dumb people even dumber, and then to make them preach at me with their dumb "facts", "studies" and "experiments". As if someone who has just realized the e-cig exists, armed with those "facts" they gathered on the news, could possibly have something to teach to someone who has been vaping for almost SIX years, and has been reading PROPER science on the matter for all that time...!
But I do know THIS long-term vaper IS starting to feel crazy and crazier by the day. Not because of any "unknown" effect from my device, but because of the BS I see everyday on the news. A masquerade of "science" to make dumb people even dumber, and then to make them preach at me with their dumb "facts", "studies" and "experiments". As if someone who has just realized the e-cig exists, armed with those "facts" they gathered on the news, could possibly have something to teach to someone who has been vaping for almost SIX years, and has been reading PROPER science on the matter for all that time...!
People with mental issues are more likely to do a lot of things, including seeking loving relationships. Big deal. Just more bad press.
Oh, and people with mental issues are more likely to drink. Perhaps we should ransack those countryside French villas where they make there own wine and regulate it, frown upon it and accuse all those old retired French wine makers of encouraging young people to become alcoholics and aiding in the "self-destructive life cycle" of the mentally ill.
Oh, and people with mental issues are more likely to drink. Perhaps we should ransack those countryside French villas where they make there own wine and regulate it, frown upon it and accuse all those old retired French wine makers of encouraging young people to become alcoholics and aiding in the "self-destructive life cycle" of the mentally ill.
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I have type 2 bipolar disorder, and we're far more likely than the average person to be smokers, and tend to have more difficulties quitting smoking. Not surprising if people with mental disorders are more likely to vape really. It does help with accute depressive states, instant stabilizer whereas the regular medication I'm using is more of an overall stabilizer.
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A masquerade of "science" to make dumb people even dumber, and then to make them preach at me with their dumb "facts", "studies" and "experiments". As if someone who has just realized the e-cig exists, armed with those "facts" they gathered on the news, could possibly have something to teach to someone who has been vaping for almost SIX years, and has been reading PROPER science on the matter for all that time...!
This! More than half of what we post in "media" forum is a masquerade of science, and yet stuff that people we know and like will approach us as if it is now (scientific) fact. I always kinda thought science could be manipulated (on the masses) and therefore subject to corruption. Now, it's kind of hard to doubt it, and constantly makes me wonder whenever I hear the phrase, "a new study finds."
There's no display of scientific method in OP article, no citation of the study. And a whole lot of negative spin about what eCigs are. IOW, nothing new for any of us who've been following this stuff for months/years. Yet, it comes off as if 'science says this.' And for many people that is followed by, "so it must be true/accurate."
It's a lot like the independent, unbiased version of science is dead. I don't fully believe that, but on this issue, it is on vacation. Our side does a study (regardless of the results) and it has seemingly inherent bias. The other side does study and the bias is very obvious to us who pay attention to the game. Vaping, more than any other issue I've experienced, shows science taking sides and coming up with vastly different data. Then organizations like WHO and FDA get to pick which side's data that wish to adopt, and in the process lose a whole bunch of credibility toward practicing actual science. Oh joy.
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