Have scientists finally created a 'safe' cigarette? New inhaler is 'real alternative' to electronic devices

[Bill Godshall]

Here's an excellent article about BAT's new "non electronic nicotine inhaler" and about e-cigarettes.

Have scientists finally created a 'safe' cigarette? New inhaler is 'real alternative' to electronic devices
Have scientists finally created a 'safe' cigarette? | Mail Online

Alex Hearne says BAT plans to submit its product to the MHRA to secure its status as an officially regulated product next year. He says: ‘We are very much in line with the Department of Health Strategy.’

Within two years, safe cigarettes could be sold widely — and because they do not burn tobacco, their use will be legal everywhere.
The fact that ‘Big tobacco’ is launching a ‘healthy’ cigarette (and has caught the attention of Tesco’s highly successful former chief executive Terry Leahy, who is investing in the venture) will dismay many people in the health lobby.

 

[Bill Godshall]

This article is a virtual advertisement for e-cigarettes, and many e-cigarette consumers have also posted positive comments.

Gotta love the contradicting statements by ASH's Martin Dockrell.

The fact that ‘Big Tobacco’ is launching a ‘healthy’ cigarette (and has caught the attention of Tesco’s highly successful former chief executive Terry Leahy, who is investing in the venture) will dismay many people in the health lobby.
‘This is a cynical move to design a product to keep you smoking,’ is the view taken by Martin Dockrell, director of research and policy at Action On Smoking And Health (ASH), Britain’s main anti-smoking group, which points out that tobacco companies have no plans to stop flooding emerging markets of the Third World with cheap, conventional cigarettes. Of course non-tobacco nicotine products are not new.

and then

These attitudes may be changing. Martin Dockrell says: ‘Quitting smoking is the best thing you can do, but there are other ways to reduce harm to yourself and others. Almost all the damage done from smoking comes from tar and gases relating to the tobacco, not nicotine.’
ASH takes a pragmatic view, accepting that anything which can help someone to stay off cigarettes is better than nothing.
But the lobby group remains wary of anything marketed as ‘safe’, not least because tobacco companies have been accused in the past of trying to kill off all previous ‘safe smoking’ products in order to protect their revenues from regular cigarette sales.

 

[hippiebrian]

Charlie Sheen and Lindsey Lohan are promoting e-cigarettes? That can't look good for us...lol

 

[sqirl1]

Charlie Sheen and Lindsey Lohan are promoting e-cigarettes? That can't look good for us...lol

depends.... can they get their ishh together? If they start behaving around the time they start vaping, that would look REALLY good for us

 

[Religion]

too funny, sqirl1. I'm all for new tech, but after watching Minority Report I am a little leary of "Clarity" type inhalers. The absolutely coolest part about e-cigs is that there is no patent on the nicotine (I hope I am right). Being addicted to something is one thing, but being addicted to something someone else gets to choose the ingredients for is something else entirely. Who knows, maybe it will be "Magical"

 

[Rysup]

But there are two crucial differences which BAT believes will set it apart and make it the first truly safe cigarette.

Principally, the nicotine dose will be higher. And second, BAT is in talks with the MHRA to have their devices licensed as an officially approved tobacco substitute.

ROFL More nic + licensed = truly safe

Then they top themselves saying ecigs don't work... god almighty, if they didn't work why would you want to compete... the mind boggles...

The firm is very confident. ‘There is political support for this,’ says BAT spokesman David O’Reilly. ‘In our view, e-cigarettes do not work. People should be able to use nicotine, but in the safest possible way.’

 

[Pandy]

Is it just me or the article just appears to be a big ad for PVs. I do like how they show pictures of famous folks puffing away thou. Good touch.

 

[Loveridden]

Charlie Sheen and Lindsey Lohan are promoting e-cigarettes? That can't look good for us...lol

lol can't believe there is a charlie sheen e cig......I won't mention that when trying to recruit smokers to our side lol...

 

[sqirl1]

if the FDA readily approves this as a modified risk product.... we can use it to our advantage to have this totally backfire on them. The reason: it's made by big tobacco, one of the most hated entities out there. we need to shove it out there in every way we can that the FDA is readily approving something made by big tobacco as less harmful than cigs, but not things made by smaller companies such as E-cigs and dissolvables.

 

[rachelcoffe]

It's interesting that BT is claiming this new thing of theirs will deliver "more nicotine" than e-cigs. Interesting...but untrue. With e-cigs, there's a wide range of nic strengths open to you. That range only goes so far, since there's only much nicotine a person can comfortably enjoy in a day. Millions of smokers-turned-vapers are perfectly satisfied with e-cigs & the nic strengths they're vaping. If they weren't...they wouldn't be vapers. Duh.

It's also interesting, in that the only real argument Health Canada was able to make against e-cigs here was that e-cigs may pose a risk of "nicotine addiction." Which is laughable, since smokers are obviously already addicted to nicotine. But wait a minute. If the nicotine was HC's concern...then how is even more nicotine (allegedly more, at any rate) better?

You'll note that virtually nothing was explained about BT's proposed product. All we know is that there's some nicotine in it. Knowing BT, they will not be forthcoming about how it works, how it's made or (especially) what else is in it. It will doubtless be a patented technology (which e-cigs aren't) & a proprietary, i.e. secret formula (which e-juice isn't), meaning who knows what crap is in there.

This is the most unwanted product I can think of right now, and it's coming from the people that to this day sell horrible disease & death to the world in bright little packages. Why on earth would I want the hated BT to make a product that might be half as good as e-cigs, when I already have e-cigs? It's unnecessary...redundant. And only a certifiable idiot would actually trust BT.

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It also wasn't clear to me exactly what they want to push this as. A smoking-cessation product? Or are they going to claim this is an alternative to smoking?

If they go with smoking-cessation product, that would mean it's a pharmaceutical making therapeutic health claims...like other NRT products. That wouldn't be a problem for us: e-cigs are not a health product & they make no therapeutic claims. That's why it was particularly stupid that the article lamented that "although e-cigarettes can be sold legally in the UK, they cannot be marketed as an aid to quitting."

Um...that's because they're not an aid to quitting. They're an alternative to smoking.

However, if BT says their new thing is just an alternative to smoking, that would place it in the same category as e-cigs.

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But what it really comes down to is this:

- we know e-cigs work
- we know what's in them
- we don't pay a fortune
- and we don't give our money to BT or BP

With BT's product:

- we have no idea if it works
- we have no idea what's in it
- it'll probably cost much more
- and you would be giving money to the evil BT.

So in conclusion, this BT product is an untrustworthy, johnny-come-lately attempt to keep people from taking up vaping via e-cigs - period. It's weak, and it will fail. Their spokesman flat-out stated that he thinks "e-cigs don't work." Um, guy...millions of happy vapers around the world are living proof that you're 100% wrong. E-cigs do work. Extremely well.

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P.S. To anyone who is concerned about a threat to e-cig hardware or e-juice: worry not. There is absolutely no way for anyone to corner the market when it comes to vaping...which is precisely why BT hates it, and why their unwanted 'alternative to e-cigs' will be a money-loser, I predict. I wrote a little something more about this a while back, post #14 in this thread:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...big-tobacco-getting-into-ecig-business-2.html

Happy vaping folks.

 

[rothenbj]

rachel, this comment isn't made to pick on you specifically, but the general attitude about BT by many. I'm not ancient but certainly have been around longer than many on here and I wasn't a kid when I started smoking. Certainly after the warnings about the hazards of inhaling smoke were well known. I was legally an adult and I decided to smoke anyway. BT did nothing any other producer of a product does, make it as appealing as possible to increase sales.

You see the same thing in every industry, be it Big Alcohol, Big Pharma, Big Food, Big Motorcycle or Big Bank. They all do things to get you to buy their products and sometimes what they do is not to the consumer's benefit. You don't have to look very far to see the devastation created by the banking industry to the lives of those that weren't able to recognize that the products they were being offered could seriously impact their financial health.

We have been sold slogans by another industry, Big Tobacco Control, that have now been ingrained into our thoughts. BT is bad, we're your heroes. As I write this post the news on the TV is reporting "Pedal for the fight of cancer" in Pa. 4,500 bikers riding over 60 miles for the fight against cancer sponsored by the ACS. They're hoping to raise $1.5m from this ride alone. Will that as well as all the other fundraisers really end up going toward research or just make the ACS more of a political power?

It's all about controlling the herd. He who controls the herd makes the money. For too many years now that control has been with Big Anything other than Tobacco. They've found one industry that they can blame everything on, hiding all the other ills of society behind their favorite whipping boy. Just the movement from anti-smoking to anti-tobacco and anti-nicotine should expose this farce.

I for one look forward to what BT may be developing as an alternative to smoking. I found my way off cigarettes partially with E cigs and fully via Swedish snus, a much safer alternative to smoking developed by.......BT. I'm very interested in the development of Star Scientific's BDL products- Ariva, Stonewalls and a moist snuff product (is that an even safer snus product?). BT is trying to produce safer products that will give consumers alternative to their deadlier products. As with every industry, their goal is to make money. If they succeed and at the same time improve overall health it's going to seriously impact other industries- Big Pharma, Big Government and Big ?non-profit?"health" association, and they will do what they can to stop that.

It's all about the money.