Having trouble with the transition

[AlmightyGod]

Typical Bottom Feeder shopping list:

3.7v/6v Bottom Feed Box mod PV
(ie...Phidias, Reo, Monkeyboxx, etc...)
Rechargeable batteries
Battery Charger
Atomizers & Drip Tip Mouthpiece
(usually 1.5ohm or 2.0ohm 510 series)
e-liquid
Extra plastic bottles for the unit

I'm here for you!
I'll even give you my phone #!
Don't buy an eGo if you can afford better!!!

 

[shaggychip]

thanks!
I just read that the Phidias Woodimus was discontinued, any reason why?
is there a better box style similar to that one?

 

[AlmightyGod]

No they just aren't available from Nhaler anymore.

You get them from the builder-fonosmoak himself now. Link.

Send him an email (not PM) and give him your story.
He's working on a new batch right now...maybe you can get in on it.
Let me know what he says.

 

[shaggychip]

Just emailed him, Ill let you know what he says

 

[Hoosier]

Hoping you can get in on the next batch Shaggychip. That will be a great way to really get into vaping.

(Compared to your current hardware, it will be like going from a bicycle to a Bentley in one jump.)

 

[gguripark]

I have trouble in translating English, too.

 

[thedeserttortoise]

Hey Shaggy. I had almost the same post going 3 or 4 days ago. I just received my Reo Grand in the mail yesterday. I smoked about a pack of analogs yesterday... I have had only one analog today and it was while I was visiting a friend that smokes. I gave away my last pack and a half yesterday too. I hear a lot of people have quit cigs, using the tobacco flavored juices... for me it's quite the opposite. The guy that sold me the Reo also included 10 different juices with a few in the 32 mg range on the nicotine. He warned me ahead of time that he would make me some high nicotine juice's to help with the withdrawals. Anyway, back to what I was getting at. I have literally fallen in love with one of the fruit flavors (watermelon) and its so tasty that I really look forward to those hits. So! no matter what you decide on make sure you can change juice's easily and buy a few fruit, tobacco, and oddities (I hate the French Toast) to begin with. Once you hit on the best flavor for your liking.. I'm sure it will help you concentrate on vaping versus cig's. I can't recommend an e cig as the Reo is all I've tried with the exception of a cheap kit from fast-stop last week. I do like this Reo though, and would say that its a "you can't go wrong with it" type mod. PS> been smoking 40 years. One analog today, and trying for none tomorrow. Good luck to you.... Tortoise And don't forget the extra's the almighty mentioned above. You can also use cartomizers on a good bottom feeder. If your liking a bunch of different flavors you can fill a handful of carts and switch all day long.. once again, good luck on quitting the cigs.

 

[TODSHO]

I had kind of the same problem. I started with a 510 which i like real well...but could not put down the analogs. Though i was'nt smoking half as much, i just could not get away from them. I filled my own carts with 18mg to start and the bumped up to 30mg to get myself off the analogs....still could not do it. At this point i was ready for an upgrade so i ordered a 302. Just so happend that the 302 i wanted was on backorder so the company called me to see if i wanted to upgrade at the same price...so i ended up with the boge leo. It worked out good because i could'nt decide between the two when i was ordering so thay made up my mind for me. Since i started useing the leo, i hav'nt touched a anolog! Even with the 18mg juice. So i do believe..from experience..that good equipment can make a big difference.
Good luck!

 

[wv2win]

It's also the reason why people spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars on starter kits & accessories before they finally spring for a mod & then kick themselves for not having spent the extra money in the first place.

My Riva & KR8 are fine devices, but they don't compare to my Phidias for daily use, or the ProVari for the VV experience.

Go sell somebody else another eGo...I'd like to save a newb today!

I agree with you. But if you suggest a better battery PV like the GLV2 or a VV PV to a newb, you will get "jumped" on here as being nuts.

 

[AlmightyGod]

I agree with you. But if you suggest a better battery PV like the GLV2 or a VV PV to a newb, you will get "jumped" on here as being nuts.

I'm not really sure why that is either.
Who really enjoyed their struggles with carts, crappy juice, regular resistance attys on a 3.4v device? Sure as hell wasn't me. Sure, when I bought my first ecig & liked that it was the same size as a cigarette. I still use it once in awhile too. The OP & many others want something better & are grown ups who have money to spend. Why keep sending them back to starter kits, when the best part of ECF is the exposure to mods? Most people see the kiosk at the mall & that's all they'll know, unless they find a forum. Those places charge as much for a KR8 as you would spend for a nice mod. I get in here & try & give info on some nice devices, that cost a little more & it's like I insulted somebody's Mom. The GLV with a MAP is another great option. I hate refilling all the time. Carts & cartos suck in comparison to the options available now. ECF's little helpers aren't helping anyone, if they don't give more options than the KR8 & the eGo/Riva.

 

[Sathane]

File for full-custody?

LMAO. Awesome.

I had a client that quit cold turkey because she was guilted into it by her son, who was 8 at the time. For a week he constantly cried to his mother about how could she smoke knowing that it was going to kill her and that he wanted her to be around as much as possible for him and her smoking was selfish of her. It worked, she hasn't smoked for 2 years.

What I'm getting at is this; If it's the psychological aspect you are having troubles with now, what do you want more? Your analogs or many more years with your son?
It's going to suck at first, the nagging urge to get a pack will be there. But resist it. Don't make that trip out to the store to pick up a pack. If you are at the store, don't ask for them. I'm not saying it's going to be easy, it's not, but over time the urge will dwindle.

 

[mlinky]

I'm not really sure why that is either.
Who really enjoyed their struggles with carts, crappy juice, regular resistance attys on a 3.4v device? Sure as hell wasn't me. Sure, when I bought my first ecig & liked that it was the same size as a cigarette. I still use it once in awhile too. The OP & many others want something better & are grown ups who have money to spend. Why keep sending them back to starter kits, when the best part of ECF is the exposure to mods? Most people see the kiosk at the mall & that's all they'll know, unless they find a forum. Those places charge as much for a KR8 as you would spend for a nice mod. I get in here & try & give info on some nice devices, that cost a little more & it's like I insulted somebody's Mom. The GLV with a MAP is another great option. I hate refilling all the time. Carts & cartos suck in comparison to the options available now. ECF's little helpers aren't helping anyone, if they don't give more options than the KR8 & the eGo/Riva.

If you have someone who says that they don't care about price, or someone who knows enough about vaping to have some idea what they are looking for, I agree about mods. For most people, it is a good idea to start with a small ($30-$40) investment in a serviceable pv so they can decide what is important to them and what type of juice suits them before they drop $150 on a pv. I'm into convenience; I love my REO.

 

[AlmightyGod]

If you have someone who says that they don't care about price, or someone who knows enough about vaping to have some idea what they are looking for, I agree about mods. For most people, it is a good idea to start with a small ($30-$40) investment in a serviceable pv so they can decide what is important to them and what type of juice suits them before they drop $150 on a pv. I'm into convenience; I love my REO.

There are juice feeders available for half the cost of the premium lines.

Many spend the cost of a nice mod in the first month of vaping, only to then buy a mod anyway.

Why direct people to devices they may get frustrated with & fail to quit smoking, when the tech is continuously evolving & more user friendly devices are available? Other than the analog/psychological aspect? What is more simple than a juice feeder? Battery, bottle, atomizer, switch, box...

 

[mlinky]

Well, yes and no. Admittedly, I started with an eGo and I still like it with the 2ohm cartos. It is a simple and inexpensive way to start. I use it as back up and to intro other people to vaping.

What really burns me are all of the PAD smokers who end up blowing their budget with $150 minis or small batt models and give up because lighting a cigarette is a heck of a lot easier than worrying about the batteries, or a lot more satisfying than the puny hit they are getting.

There are cheaper box mods, but I'm not sure that it makes sense to buy one. You still have to buy the right batteries ($7-$10 x2), a charger ($15-$40), and attys ($7-$10 x3 at least). Also, box mods make much more sense once you find juices you like, otherwise you are basically using a high priced dripper.

There are juice feeders available for half the cost of the premium lines.

Many spend the cost of a nice mod in the first month of vaping, only to then buy a mod anyway.

Why direct people to devices they may get frustrated with & fail to quit smoking, when the tech is continuously evolving & more user friendly devices are available? Other than the analog/psychological aspect? What is more simple than a juice feeder? Battery, bottle, atomizer, switch, box...

 

[AlmightyGod]

Most people spend between $150-$300+ a month on analogs.

Why not go big on a mod?
The resale value is there, should you not like it.

It's better than nickel & dime spending, IMHO.

 

[mlinky]

Most people spend between $150-$300+ a month on analogs.

Why not go big on a mod?
The resale value is there, should you not like it.

It's better than nickel & dime spending, IMHO.

Good point. Expectations maybe? The greater your investment, the better you expect it to be. It's easy for a $30 kit to be better than the buyer expects. Also, most real newcomers don't know about resale value or whether it will work for them, so it's hard to shell out that kind of money.

 

[AlmightyGod]

Good point. Expectations maybe? The greater your investment, the better you expect it to be. It's easy for a $30 kit to be better than the buyer expects. Also, most real newcomers don't know about resale value or whether it will work for them, so it's hard to shell out that kind of money.

I wonder how spending more might effect being more committed to the intended purpose of the device? You know...spend a little more to increase your resolve? I could literally buy a mod, attys, juice, & batteries every month for the same as my former analog cost!

Try & find a Reo hater...you wont find many. I had Reo & ended up preferring the Phidias mod, then sold the Reo for what I paid for it. Very little downside to buying something more expensive.

I just get frustrated reading newbs posts about starter kit woes. The majority of the more expensive devices have few user complaints.

 

[mlinky]

I wonder how spending more might effect being more committed to the intended purpose of the device? You know...spend a little more to increase your resolve? I could literally buy a mod, attys, juice, & batteries every month for the same as my former analog cost!

Try & find a Reo hater...you wont find many. I had Reo & ended up preferring the Phidias mod, then sold the Reo for what I paid for it. Very little downside to buying something more expensive.

I just get frustrated reading newbs posts about starter kit woes. The majority of the more expensive devices have few user complaints.

But the more expensive devices are usually bought by people who have already committed to vaping and know what they want. It might change if newbs were buying mods as a first pv.

I saw a classified for a REO last week. Guy had bought it the week before, and then sold it because "it doesn't work with cartos" which is not only untrue, and would have been solved by a minimum of research, but kind of stupid. It might be fun to use cartos on a REO, but why would you NEED them if you have a juice box?

 

[Rosa]

I just get frustrated reading newbs posts about starter kit woes. The majority of the more expensive devices have few user complaints.

I do too, but here's why I don't recommend them from the start:

• I've never used one and neither have many of the people in the new member's forum. I new vaper will have plenty of unanswered questions and few people with the experience to help them should they choose to begin with a mod.

• As we have seen just from this thread, it's not like you can click on any of a hundred suppliers' links and order any mod or special mod battery that you need, in fact in this thread a mod was recommended only to find that the poster will have to get on a list in the hopes of getting one when the next batch is made. If I need an eGo or 510 battery, atomizer or cartomizer I can probably get one today - if not from a local supplier than perhaps from a vaper who lives within driving distance of me.

• In the off chance that something on a mod fails (yes, rare but not unheard of), the new member will mail the mod back and maybe wait for some guy in his garage to fix it. In the meantime, what will they do? It seems it might be better if they had a good back up to use in the event that there's any sort of failure -- perhaps a nice cheap eGo or Riva kit that they can turn to.

... which leads me back to recommending a riva or ego for a new vaper -- if nothing else, as a back up to their mod should they decide to get one.

 

[AlmightyGod]

What does not having a backup, have to with the OP, or suggesting multiple options...including a mod?

Most mods are not made in some guys garage. If they are, it is usually in the USA & not in China.

There are a hundred places you can buy a rechargeable battery.

Mods use the same atomizers as eGos.

What, exactly, is wrong with having to wait a week for a new PV?

Apparently it is easier to be defensive than understand the points I've made.