Health Care Reform Bill VOTE NO!!!!

[Idahojo]

No matter what your political position is, you need to inform yourselves about this dangerous bill being put before our legislators. Here is a sampling of what is included in that monster of a bill.


Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits people get Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!

Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC benefits 4 you. You have no choice!

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise Pg 58HC Bill - To be eligible for HC, the government will have real-time access to individuals finances & a National ID Healthcard will be issued!!!

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access to your bank accts for elective procedures funds transfer PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Govt control.

PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - The government will create specific benefit levels for HC Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare!

PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic services must be provided. Example - Translation for illegal aliens Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use community groups (i.e., ACORN & Americorps) to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Benefit Levels for Plans. #AARP members - Your Health care WILL be rationed
-PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice pg 124 lines 24-25 HC Bill - No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monopoly pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA approval on salaries- The Govt will tell YOU what you can make.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC of part time employees AND their families/domestic partners Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer w payroll 400k & above who does not provide for public option pays 8% tax on all payroll.

pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll between 251k & 400k who doesn't provide public HC option pays 2-6% tax on all payroll Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC according to Gov't will be taxed 2.5% of income Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay)

Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Administration (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans financial/personal records.

PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid.
Seniors, low income, poor affected Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, regardless of specialty, will be paid the same for a procedure PG 253 Line 10-18 The Government will set the value of a Doctors time, professional judgement, etc. (Literally value of humans).

PG 265 Sec 1131 Government mandates productivity levels for private HC industries PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Government regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients welcome to rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151 The Government will penalize hospitals for what Government deems preventable readmissions.

Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Doctors who treat a patient during initial admission that results in a readmission will be penalized.

Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Government tells Drs. what/how much they can own.

Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is regulating hospitals expansion pg 321 2-13 Hospitals can apply for exception but community input required.
Can u say ACORN?!!

Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates establishment of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing.

Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. THIS WILL FORCE PEOPLE INTO THE GOVERNMENT PLAN!

Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people!

Pg 379 Sec 1191 Government creates more bureaucracy - Establishment of Telehealth Advisory Committee Can u say HC by phone?

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Government mandates Advance Care Planning Consult.
Think Senior Citizens end of life Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Government will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty.

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Government provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death PG 427 Lines 15-24 Government mandates program for orders for end of life.
The Government has a say in how your life ends Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "advanced care planning consultant" will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates PG 429 Lines 10-12 " advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from Government Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The Government will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!?

Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. monthly payments to community-based org. Like ACORN?

PG 489 Sec 1308 The Government will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Government in your marriage Pg 494-498 Government will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those svcs Here's the full Health Care bill that sits in the House.

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This bill has the ability to damage America far more than what people think. It will be passing far more power to our Government than what people realize. Contact your Senators and Representatives and demand they vote NO on this piece of garbage. This bill is truly frightening, especially when some of them have already admitted they aren't planning on reading it before placing their stamp of approval on it. I know this doesn't involve ecigs, but it potentially could. It does involve each and every one of us and our children and their children. Please take a few minutes to call and email your Senators and Representatives about this.

 

[Idahojo]

 

[smiley7]

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[Surf Monkey]

Sweeping health care reform would be the best thing to happen in this nation for over 100 years.

But I think it's a little premature to dismiss the legislation as it's not final and is still being worked out. Until we see the final bill, I'm holding my judgment.

 

[Elendil]

Jo!!! Long time no see...............

 

[Treece]

Sweeping health care reform would be the best thing to happen in this nation for over 100 years.

But I think it's a little premature to dismiss the legislation as it's not final and is still being worked out. Until we see the final bill, I'm holding my judgment.

What a reasonable response. Thank you.

 

[Serenna]

Smiley7,

I signed the petition and read through the site. Thanks for the link!

I agree that if Congress thinks this is such a great deal they should be on the same healthcare plan That might make them read the bill and be very careful with their votes!

 

[CandyGirl]

Smiley7,

I signed the petition and read through the site. Thanks for the link!

I agree that if Congress thinks this is such a great deal they should be on the same healthcare plan That might make them read the bill and be very careful with their votes!

+1
how about:
"No member of Congess shall be given any higher order of coverage than the minimum coverage they approve for the people they represent".

 

[Serenna]

CandyGirl, that is a great suggestion

 

[TheUltimateG]

Sweeping health care reform would be the best thing to happen in this nation for over 100 years.

But I think it's a little premature to dismiss the legislation as it's not final and is still being worked out. Until we see the final bill, I'm holding my judgment.

Socialized Healthcare is a joke. You need to do some homework my friend. Take a look at what it's like to get proper health care in Canada by watching the video below. If your still for socialized health care after watching this then I think maybe you should visit your doctor and have your head examined.

YouTube - ObamaCare Yay Or Nay? The Truth About Canada!

 

[Surf Monkey]

Socialized Healthcare is a joke. You need to do some homework my friend. Take a look at what it's like to get proper health care in Canada by watching the video below. If your still for socialized health care after watching this then I think maybe you should visit your doctor and have your head examined.

It's quite presumptious of you to suggest I need schooling on the subject. I assure you, I don't. In fact, given the (in my opinion) propaganda you just posted, I'd venture a guess that I have a more realistic view of the subject than you do.

As I said above, I think we need to wait until there's a finished bill on the table. As long as the details are being hammered out, all the railing against the plan is nothing more than noise.

 

[Serenna]

Sorry Surf Monkey, but I agree Socialized Healthcare would be one of the worst things that could happen in our country. This would only be acceptable if Congress was on the same plan, otherwise we are getting bottom tier Healthcare, look at the care our veterans get and they are heros. If it's a good plan Congress should get the benefits of it too

 

[J3553]

conservatives will lie and spin this all day, while the rest of the industrialized world continues to laugh at our healthcare system. i know many people who live or have lived in canada or the UK, and they know the truth. our healthcare system is pathetic, as is our government.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Sorry Surf Monkey, but I agree Socialized Healthcare would be one of the worst things that could happen in our country.

You mean like Medicare, Medicaid? Those are "socialized medicine," as are a number of other programs that already exist in America. If socialized medicine is so evil, why is it what we give the elderly and the poor? Besides, "socialized medicine" is not what's being proposed here. The term "socialized medicine" is just scare rhetoric.

This would only be acceptable if Congress was on the same plan, otherwise we are getting bottom tier Healthcare,

If you bother to actually follow this story you'll know that that's essentially what Obama is proposing. The plan he's promoting basically extends the same plans that Congress gets to everyone in the nation.

look at the care our veterans get and they are heros.

The VA is under funded. That's the issue with it, not the fact that it's single payer.

If it's a good plan Congress should get the benefits of it too

Read up on what's being proposed. When your main objection to the plan is incorrect, it undermines your whole position.

 

[Vicks Vap-oh-Yeah]

I continue to question the need for government mandated health care - I don't believe we need it, and I grow tired of the politicos in Washington telling me that we do need it... it's another example of Washington throwing dollars at something to prove to the American public that 'hey, we're doing something!"

The problem isn't that such and such segment of the American population doesn't have access (for whatever reasons) to health insurance, it's that someone, somewhere, decided that health insurance should be an entitlement, a right, and not something you have to earn.... tell me, why - should every American, young and old, rich and poor, legal and illegal, have the right to insurance??? Why should it BE a right????
What about the young adults, in perfect health, who choose not to enroll in an insurance plan. What about the middle-class and upper-class people who decide to invest the money otherwise spent on an insurance plan, and opt for the pay-for-service route, instead? Why should these people be forced into an insurance plan - where their dollars go not for health care, but for the corporate offices, private jets, and administrative fees of the insurance industry?

Instead, Washington, in its fervor to have something they can feed the media, focus' on 'the poor, the children of the poor, who can't afford an insurance plan.....' my, they do love their icons and their pity plays, don't they?

If Washington was truely committed to solving the 'health care crisis' in this country (which I think is a gross exageration) - they would focus on the waste already inherent in the system, and not a new system guaranteed to engender MORE waste into it.... the crisis is tied into other facets of our society - the ambulance-chasing lawyers, the insurance companies wasteful spending and over-complex system of rules and regs, and the pharma's love of advertising, lobbying, and inflated prices.

/endrant

 

[Surf Monkey]

Every other western nation has universal coverage. There's a reason the entire civilized world (except America) thinks it's important that everyone have health care.

 

[denec]

Every other western nation has universal coverage. There's a reason the entire civilized world (except America) thinks it's important that everyone have health care.

Yet we have some of the best medicine available in the world, that those in those countries have no access to

people all over the world will fly to because they cannot get that help in their own countries becuase thier government mandated healthcare will not give them access to

I use to work in the medical field so I know what I am talking about and have plenty of friends who are doctors


there are plenty of people who come from Canada to NYC to get healthcare because they cannot get it in their country for certain medicines and treatments

 

[Vicks Vap-oh-Yeah]

Every other western nation has universal coverage. There's a reason the entire civilized world (except America) thinks it's important that everyone have health care.

Imagine me shrugging my shoulders.... tell me why America needs to be just like every other nation? Why tag along?

Why shouldn't our consumer-based economy offer the same fee-for-service options for its consumers health care that it offers for every other service in it? Additionally, why can't our consumers make informed decisions on those options? And, when the consumers DON'T make informed decisions, why can't they be responsible for their own lack of good judgement?

My problem with universal health care is the entitlement aspect of it... when you're given something, as opposed to earning it, you stop making informed decisions about it, and you stop monitoring it for good condition.

So - if we jump on the dime here, and take mandated coverage from our govenrment, MOST Americans will:

1) stop caring that the insurance companies are raising their premium rates, lowering their coverage payouts, and wasting 1 out of every 3 dollars spent into it on pet pork projects and wasteful spending.

2) stop trying homeopathic methods for curing mudane illnesses, (such as allowing the illness to run its course, or icy hot and an ace bandage for minor muscular aches) and go to the doctor for every little sniffle and cough, bump and bruise.

3) stop monitoring your own good health, with good diatary and excercize habits, and allow yourself to 'go to seed.'

/endrant - again

 

[Tugger]

The best reason to be like other countries is that they cover everyone, spend far less of their GDP on it, and have better public health outcomes.

Fee-for-service provides perverse incentives for providers to provide more tests and procedures, regardless of efficacy. This is why places like the mayo clinic spend far less per patient and have better outcomes than places like that town in Texas everyone keeps harping about. They put their doctors on salary and don't have fee for service.

When consumers don't make good choices and don't have insurance they go to the emergency room and we as taxpayers or insurance premium payers end up paying for it anyway, since they can't.

Medicare has much lower administrative costs per patient than private insurers so the government has already shown it can handle health insurance duties responsibly. As far as I know, Medicare patients are no less responsible as patients than people with private coverage.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Yet we have some of the best medicine available in the world, that those in those countries have no access to

Having some of the best doctors in the world is meaningless when over a sixth of the population has no health insurance. You can't go to the emergency room for chemo therapy, and if you do end up using an emergency room for your healthcare the bills will ruin your financial life.

America needs healthcare reform.

And Vicks Vap-oh-Yeah: your current objections are more or less meaningless, because the various plans on the table are 1) nothing like what you're objecting to and 2) far from finalized legislation.