Both. It’s literally how nicotine patches work. By varying the nicotine concentration they can work the time release out. The first nicotine patches were literally a few drops of nicotine on a bandaid. There was a TV program about it iirc.
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It’s possible that nic might or might not be extra dangerous for cats. Cats have an abnormally tough gut, but that gut is backed up by abnormally weak kidneys. Cats can have verrrry long drug half-lives
I once vaped for 10 mins without knowing my tank flooded and leaked all over my hands, all i did was dry my hands and i was totally fine, not even a nic buzz.
NB: if there's one type of people here i'd believe on this subject it's no doubt those who DIY their own ejuice, mainly because they handle PURE nicotine which is the only way it could be dangerous.
NB: if there's one type of people here i'd believe on this subject it's no doubt those who DIY their own ejuice, mainly because they handle PURE nicotine which is the only way it could be dangerous.
Not even most DIY people handle pure nicotine. I buy 100mg nicotine but that makes it only about 10%? Pure. Real for true 100% pure nicotine requires a bunny suit and respirator iirc. Nobody uses it outside controlled conditions. Iirc it’s not even shipped in bottles. They use metal casks. It’s also terrifyingly expensive.
I think you scared yourself. This would hype you up.
Low mg nicotine liquid is really not dangerous. I have done all sorts of *unadvisable* things with nicotine liquid. The stuff you have to worry about is the 100mg (72mg in the UK) and as some people are suggesting, some of the crazy-strong stuff sold by brands who make essentially pathetic e-cigs more user-freindly with extra-strong nicotine.
These are nearly all tobacco companies and a certain 'famous' brand. I have nothing to do with either... they can rot in hell.
We know bottles of 18mg (10ml) have caused trouble and in theory of course you can do yourself harm, but in practice unless you are throwing the stuff over yourself or drinking whole bottles of more than 3mg or 6mg, it's not much to worry about.
I used to worry with pets around the house, but all my liquid is 3 or 6 and the 18mg I use for stealth vaping (small refillable pod systems) is safely in a drawer upstairs.
Panic not.
Interesting thread everyone. Nice work.
Why am I getting Walter White images in my head?
I also thought (not that I can buy or will use) 100mg Nicotine liquid was 10% concentration/dilution. I do get confused though about certain facts... those which are kind of irrelevant to my personal situation. We have never had it in the UK.
Maybe Google can send me to the ECF? Surprise!!
Some facts on 100mg Nicotine
So you are saying it is not true?! My understanding is pure nicotine is something like 1000+mg/ml making it just a bit heavier than water. At 100mg/ml it would be ~1/10th as heavy as water. Lighter even than gasoline, which is pretty close to a gas at room temp. I’m not a chemist though. I did see your link but it’s 9pages of closed thread and seems to be mostly containing a flame war. I am not willing to subject myself to that kind of punishment.Why am I getting Walter White images in my head?
I also thought (not that I can buy or will use) 100mg Nicotine liquid was 10% concentration/dilution. I do get confused though about certain facts... those which are kind of irrelevant to my personal situation. We have never had it in the UK.
Maybe Google can send me to the ECF? Surprise!!
Some facts on 100mg Nicotine
That is the reason you aren't supposed to allow cats to eat your dog's food.
Cat food does not contain PG, dog food does.
The FDA has actually banned PG in cat foods.
Nic salts are totally the same as far as comparisons to freebase. While it is TRUE that higher nicotine concentrations do grow more dangerous, I also DIY with nic salts (no gloves actually because I would RATHER wash off a spill quite easily and completely drama free by sort of meandering over to my kitchen sink than spread a small film of nic everywhere because I have a drop on my glove and don't feel it. 100 mg./ml nicsalts.
Getting a small quantity of low nic juice for vaping on your self, your kid, your pet is extraordinarily unlikely to harm you, it's also quite likely your reaction was psychological but there is this handy phone number you should put in your phone: 1-800-222-1222 POISON CONTROL anywhere in the USA. They should be able to tell you what is dangerous or not.
I only had to call them ONCE, my stepfather dropped an advil under the table and my 2 year old ate it. I WAS FAIRLY CERTAIN he would be just FINE, however I CALLED ANYWAY because I did not WANT or NEED to worry I was a new mom, and I was like, "Dude, better safe than sorry." They told me he was fine, there are ZERO repercussions for using it, they will either tell you that you and the kid are fine, or tell you to dial 9-11. You are not even required (at least when I used it) to give identifying information if you don't want to, you merely EXPLAIN all the facts of the situation and then what to do about it (in my case, nothing).
Parents need to learn use and like get in the HABIT of using this number DURING THE TIME THE EVEN OCCURS, not posting on an online forum about their worries, that is TOTALLY asinine.
If you don't./didn't know enough about that eliquid (and you did not) you call poison control IMMEDIATELY and you tell them ALL you know.
I am sorry to get all HET UP about this but a) you aren't really doing the vaping community any favors with what you are asking although I am GLAD you are reassured.
b) Avoidable poisonings happen ALL over the US, because people don't know what to do. There are certain types of poisonings where you want to get your kid or pet vomiting IMMEDIATELY AS YOU WAIT for 9-11 to get there, via the use of hydrogen peroxide. I'm glad you are okay, but if it had been a NON vaping substance you might have needed IMMEDIATE attention, so I am glad that was not the case and you are all okay, I am ALSO SAYING Poison Control is your best, safest FREE option when faced with an (unknown to you) possible toxin (I am not saying your eliquid event was a Toxin, but what if it had been something ELSE.)
Good luck glad you are okay, POISONING questions should be directed to Poison Control the MOMENT they are discovered in the time it takes to dial the phone number.
Glad you are OKAY.
Anna
Getting a small quantity of low nic juice for vaping on your self, your kid, your pet is extraordinarily unlikely to harm you, it's also quite likely your reaction was psychological but there is this handy phone number you should put in your phone: 1-800-222-1222 POISON CONTROL anywhere in the USA. They should be able to tell you what is dangerous or not.
I only had to call them ONCE, my stepfather dropped an advil under the table and my 2 year old ate it. I WAS FAIRLY CERTAIN he would be just FINE, however I CALLED ANYWAY because I did not WANT or NEED to worry I was a new mom, and I was like, "Dude, better safe than sorry." They told me he was fine, there are ZERO repercussions for using it, they will either tell you that you and the kid are fine, or tell you to dial 9-11. You are not even required (at least when I used it) to give identifying information if you don't want to, you merely EXPLAIN all the facts of the situation and then what to do about it (in my case, nothing).
Parents need to learn use and like get in the HABIT of using this number DURING THE TIME THE EVEN OCCURS, not posting on an online forum about their worries, that is TOTALLY asinine.
If you don't./didn't know enough about that eliquid (and you did not) you call poison control IMMEDIATELY and you tell them ALL you know.
I am sorry to get all HET UP about this but a) you aren't really doing the vaping community any favors with what you are asking although I am GLAD you are reassured.
b) Avoidable poisonings happen ALL over the US, because people don't know what to do. There are certain types of poisonings where you want to get your kid or pet vomiting IMMEDIATELY AS YOU WAIT for 9-11 to get there, via the use of hydrogen peroxide. I'm glad you are okay, but if it had been a NON vaping substance you might have needed IMMEDIATE attention, so I am glad that was not the case and you are all okay, I am ALSO SAYING Poison Control is your best, safest FREE option when faced with an (unknown to you) possible toxin (I am not saying your eliquid event was a Toxin, but what if it had been something ELSE.)
Good luck glad you are okay, POISONING questions should be directed to Poison Control the MOMENT they are discovered in the time it takes to dial the phone number.
Glad you are OKAY.
Anna
Welcome and glad you joined.
Hope by the time you read this, your problem is solved. If not, please see a doctor.
You want my opinion? You probably dont want my opinion. I formed my opinion the minute i read that you got a little vape juice on your fingers and then freaked out over it. I bet you hyperventilated and everything, probably scared the crap outta your kid too. Thats my opinion.
Not saying it's something you should do, but I've stopped using gloves when I mix DIY. I minimize my possible exposure to 10% nic (100mg/ml) as I mix by putting my empty bottles on the scale and adding nic to them one after the other using a pipette. Then, I close up the 100mg/ml nic bottle and I'm done with nic. Nic handling time is usually about 5 minutes or less.
After that, I add PG, VG, and flavor and cap and label each one.
I work next to the kitchen sink. If I happen to get a little 100mg nic residue on my hands I slide over to the sink and wash it off immediately. Never have I experienced any symptoms from handling 100mg/ml nic.
Sometimes, I just use my unflavored from three 100ml bottles I vape out of everyday. That's also a good way to quickly mix up new flavors in small bottles.
After that, I add PG, VG, and flavor and cap and label each one.
I work next to the kitchen sink. If I happen to get a little 100mg nic residue on my hands I slide over to the sink and wash it off immediately. Never have I experienced any symptoms from handling 100mg/ml nic.
Sometimes, I just use my unflavored from three 100ml bottles I vape out of everyday. That's also a good way to quickly mix up new flavors in small bottles.
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They don't work. Not even in combination with chewing nicotine gum.
Otherwise we would not have become vapers.
Fair. Let’s say function thenThey don't work. Not even in combination with chewing nicotine gum.
Otherwise we would not have become vapers.
That is because the addiction to smoking is not just nicotine. It is a multifaceted addiction that emcompasses so much more -- The physcial, the emotional, behavorial, social, visual addictions also associated with smoking are never addressed with just a nicotine over the counter product. That is the genius of e-gics. It does it all.They don't work. Not even in combination with chewing nicotine gum.
Otherwise we would not have become vapers.
“The average tobacco cigarette contains about 12mg of nicotine with amounts typically ranging between 8-20mg; however, more important than the overall nicotine content is the amount of nicotine your body absorbs via smoking, which is about 1-2mg per cigarette.”
This is the amount of nic absorbed from a cigarette that I just picked up from Google. The next entry on the Google list said 0.2mg absorbed per cig so who knows. To keep the math simple I went with 1mg per cig.
A 15ml bottle of 3mg juice will contain 45 mg of nicotine, around 45 times the amount absorbed from a cig. Sounds like a lot.
But we aren’t talking about spilling a whole bottle on the skin. Maybe a few drops. They say there are about 20 or 30 drops in one ml. Say about 400 drops in a bottle. Meaning one drop contains around 10% of what you would absorb by smoking a cig.
I just put one drop of juice on my palm and rubbed my hands together, it wetted both my palms. 1ml of juice, which has as much absorbed nic as 3 cigarettes, would cover you up to the elbows. A little VG goes a long way.
I have no idea how much of that nic would be absorbed through the skin or how fast. Even if 100% of it was absorbed in a very short time it would take quite a lot on the skin to be equivalent to smoking one cigarette.
So despite all the uncertainties in the numbers none of the above leads me to believe that a little low nic juice on the skin is going to cause any noticeable effects, even on a non-smoker. Even if you did absorb multiple cigs worth of nic my understanding is that all you could expect is to be a little light headed for a few minutes. Maybe a headache.
Hope this makes you a little less worried OP.
Mind you, if you get it on your hand then rub your eyes it’s going to hurt like hell. And that’s something a kid is quite likely to do.
This is the amount of nic absorbed from a cigarette that I just picked up from Google. The next entry on the Google list said 0.2mg absorbed per cig so who knows. To keep the math simple I went with 1mg per cig.
A 15ml bottle of 3mg juice will contain 45 mg of nicotine, around 45 times the amount absorbed from a cig. Sounds like a lot.
But we aren’t talking about spilling a whole bottle on the skin. Maybe a few drops. They say there are about 20 or 30 drops in one ml. Say about 400 drops in a bottle. Meaning one drop contains around 10% of what you would absorb by smoking a cig.
I just put one drop of juice on my palm and rubbed my hands together, it wetted both my palms. 1ml of juice, which has as much absorbed nic as 3 cigarettes, would cover you up to the elbows. A little VG goes a long way.
I have no idea how much of that nic would be absorbed through the skin or how fast. Even if 100% of it was absorbed in a very short time it would take quite a lot on the skin to be equivalent to smoking one cigarette.
Hope this makes you a little less worried OP.
Mind you, if you get it on your hand then rub your eyes it’s going to hurt like hell. And that’s something a kid is quite likely to do.
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