hello im new ,, trying to quit and i need some answers please

[pene1412]

hello and good day to all of you .. i hope everyone is doing all right ...

i have decided to quit .. and i hope vaping can be good and safe substitute to smoking .

i learned many things about vaping ... read hundreds of stories and comments ... saw many many reviews on you tube ... learned a little bit about differences between setups.

one day ... i visited this page:

New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers

and gave me a new prescriptive about vaping ... then i knew that we are lucky to have this solution in our time ..

The thread above .. discuss safety of vaping .. there are many many things that a vaper
can benefit from ... so after reading this thread i made my decision.. however , i m a bit confuse and hesitated ..

as a i mentioned .. i learned new thins from the thread above .. one of which is how
temperature is a major factor in order to get a safe experience ... and vaping could be
more harmful than regular ciggs if temperature was too high .

Also, i learned that 2nd generation devices " VV CE4" is a hazard choice and no one should use them ( this all is mentioned above in the thread ) .

All that may or may not be known for you .

Now, here where i live i only have several choices of a devices :

1- SMOK X-prive 225 W ..
which im not concern about because its mentioned that its a 3d gen device and it should be safe regardless of the TC Mode that i can use because it needs different coil.

2- What is know as POD System devices and they are :

* Aspire breeze (650mah / max 4.2V/~29 W/0.6 ohm)

* Hangsen genesis (1500mah/max 3.7V / ~33W/0.4ohm/ dry hit prevention )

these are my only options because they come with authentication number to check .

The first one will be my plan B , because its not my preferred way to smoke ,, however, i do
like the pod system devices , which brings me to my concerns and questions:

* Are " POD devices like the above " considered to be 2nd generation devices because of their design?
and can they reach high temps where dangerous things will produced ? in other word are they similar to CE4 device that was mentioned an many studies ? if not please tell me the difference.i have looked every where about their temp range and find nothing , so i thought maybe some one can know based on their other parameters like Voltage or Wattage.

i am stocked in this stage where i cant think any more , Also im obsessively careful and not easy going person .

i hope you understand my English , i thank you in advance , my apology for those who found
my post is repeated or useless .

 

[mikepetro]

ANY of the above choices would be magnitudes safer than smoking tobacco.

POD devices are a new animal, I probably would even consider them a generation 4 device. The safety factor will depend on the brand you select, naturally some are better than others. Newer POD system are far safer than the old CE4s. Some take temperature limiting into consideration, others dont. But the odds are very strong that if you set it too hot it simply wont taste good and you will turn it back down. I would stick with a name brand though, that has a lot of popularity. Off brands may be difficult to find the PODs later on, and POD inherently have a limited lifetime.

 

[DeloresRose]

Agree with @mikepetro

Any device is going to be safer than smoking, and whichever is available to you that helps you quit is your best bet for now.

I do understand and appreciate that you’ve done your homework on this, but I can’t say what you would be able to get where you are, or whether my choices would suit you. Also, your device preference will change over time. I always say, you may have to try a couple till you find what suits you, and hang on to the ones that don’t, at first, because they may work well for you later.

Good luck!

 

[Storm52]

Welcome to the forum. I am glad you are here. Try the breeze. Replaceable coils, you use your preferred juice and it is a great starter device.

 

[stols001]

That thread freaked me out early on and I probably got into rebuilding sooner than I might have otherwise (not always a BAD) thing.

With that said, I vaped for MANY months using max VG in a tiny, Mouth to lung setup, it was seriously a RECIPE for high temps, honestly, although did wind up doing some things to minimize my risk (rotating setups, using larger tanks, using 10% distilled water to bring my temps down since I couldn't use PG, l was sensitive to it). So, you don't even NEED a TC device to use some best practices (adding DW to lower temps, rotating setups so my coils couldn't overheat, etc. etc.)

But, the WHOLE time I was doing this, well, my docs noted VAST and continued improvements in my lung function, so lack of TC is going to kill you at a FAR SLOWER rate (if at all) than cigarettes. I mean, you'd probably have to transfer your consciousness into SEVERAL clones while consistently vaping in non ideal setups, as compared to smoking.

So, do what most people do just start vaping, find a vape you LIKE, quit the cigarettes, and THEN worry about best practices and all that. I'm not at all saying they aren't important-- they are. What I AM saying is, honestly, GETTING AWAY from smoking should be your number one objective and while TC is getting LESS complicated all the time, well, it's still YOU want to find a great vape for YOU, get stably vaping and THEN work on improvements. Trust me, get through the detox period first without freaking out like crazy. You will be happy you did.

Best of luck, too much anxiety about things can be as bad as too little, is all I'm saying. Give yourself a realistic and reasonable goal of TC by 6 months, if it hasn't happened on its OWN since then. Mainly, focus on getting through detox and some stable setups you can enjoy.

Welcome.

Anna

 

[pene1412]

Thank you all for responding and welcoming me ...

Mike .. if you could explain just a little bit how pod system is far safer than CE4 i will be more relief .. also do you think that genesis and aspire are popular and well known ?

DeloresRose .. sadly where i live i have very limited options .


Storm52...i think i will try the breeze .. if you have tried it .. tell me if does it give you hot or warm vape or cool and fine ?



stols001or Anna .. im glad you are getting better i hope you always do .. you are suggesting doing practices that could help .. in VW devices that i understand .. but what can i do to closed system ? do you think if vaped in less voltage it will be less hot ?


All of the comments are appreciated and gave me a good push to take a step forward ...
However..you all suggest that any choice is better than smoking .. i believe you and im with you .. but the study in that thread tells differently especially the two men how was speaking in a what is look like conference.. they stated that in situations it could be even worse .. and this is why im confused .. because of that statement.. unless you guys think they are exaggerating

Thank you again

 

[mikepetro]

Thank you all for responding and welcoming me ...

Mike .. if you could explain just a little bit how pod system is far safer than CE4 i will be more relief .. also do you think that genesis and aspire are popular and well known ?

I have tested the temperatures on dozens of devices, using Industrial Grade instrumentation. Everything after Gen 2 CE4s has been safer. The problem with the CE4s was that the wicking was insufficient. That problem has been solved for years now. The three POD systems I tested never got above 500F, and seldom even close.

I am on the beta team testing another POD mod right now. It clearly addresses the wicking issue, it doesnt get too hot.

As for which POD mods are most popular, I am not in that loop as I use different gear, but the JUUL is all the rage in lots of circles, and I know they limit the temp by design to a safe level.

 

[Hawise]

Hi pene1412, welcome.

You've certainly done a lot of homework! I just thought I'd chime in about the brand names. I'm not all that familiar with Hangsen, although I think it's a Chinese company best known for its juices. Aspire is a very well-known name in the vaping world. I'd be very comfortable saying that the Aspire Breeze is miles safer than smoking. The Hangsen Genesis probably is as well, but I don't know as much about it.

The Breeze has 0.6 ohm and 1.2 ohm coils. I get the impression you'd prefer a cooler vape, in which case the 1.2 ohm cools should suit you better.

Have you spent much time looking into coil availability? You'll be needing to replace the coils regularly. Since there are supply issues in your area, you'll want to make sure you've got a reliable source of coils for whichever device you choose.

Good luck!

 

[pene1412]

yes i have visited your blog and seen every trial you did ... i have to say you are a KNIGHT in this forum ... the effort you make is impressive and really helpful .. thank you .


Quick notion :
i have noted on thing in your actual temp trails , i have seen in most devices that you used ...

As long the Voltage or the Wattage is low , temp will be low too , was that a coincidence?

if not , does that means in a fixed voltage systems like the pods , every thing will drop down accordingly ( Voltage>>Wattage>>temp) as the battery is going down of curse .?

or let us say if i vaped at half full battery 3.3v - 3.7v (there are devices that will change the LED color in certain Voltage ) .. the temp also will be low?

i know there are other variables to consider .. but just speaking generally.

again can not thank you enough this is really helping me ..

 

[pene1412]

yes i have visited your blog and seen every trial you did ... i have to say you are a KNIGHT in this forum ... the effort you make is impressive and really helpful .. thank you .


Quick notion :
i have noted on thing in your actual temp trails , i have seen in most devices that you used ...

As long the Voltage or the Wattage is low , temp will be low too , was that a coincidence?

if not , does that means in a fixed voltage systems like the pods , every thing will drop down accordingly ( Voltage>>Wattage>>temp) as the battery is going down offcurse ?

or let us say if i vaped at half full battery 3.3v - 3.7v (there are devices that will change the LED color in certain Voltage ) .. the temp also will be low?

i know there are other variables to consider .. but im speaking generally.

again can not thank you enough this is really helping me .

 

[pene1412]

sorry could not upload the image of the actual temp chart that shows increasing of temp ,, i hope you know what imean

 

[pene1412]

Hi pene1412, welcome.

You've certainly done a lot of homework! I just thought I'd chime in about the brand names. I'm not all that familiar with Hangsen, although I think it's a Chinese company best known for its juices. Aspire is a very well-known name in the vaping world. I'd be very comfortable saying that the Aspire Breeze is miles safer than smoking. The Hangsen Genesis probably is as well, but I don't know as much about it.

The Breeze has 0.6 ohm and 1.2 ohm coils. I get the impression you'd prefer a cooler vape, in which case the 1.2 ohm cools should suit you better.

Have you spent much time looking into coil availability? You'll be needing to replace the coils regularly. Since there are supply issues in your area, you'll want to make sure you've got a reliable source of coils for whichever device you choose.

Good luck!

hi Hawise .. thank you for caring .. Hangsen is European brand as far as i know .. to be honest i consider this brand only because their device comes with a Dry hit preventing system ... i saw good reviews about it .

i too prefer Aspire .. so you think doing a 1.2 ohm coil will help with the temp ? for the availability no worries .. thank you

 

[suprtrkr]

Hi and welcome. Yes, if it were I and those were my choices, I think I'd go with the aspire system. You should have no issues with a 1.2Ω coil. And anything you do will be far, far safer than smoking.

 

[Rossum]

Hangsen is European brand as far as i know

They are Chinese, but do have presence in both Europe and North America. They are a respectable/reputable brand.

 

[pene1412]

Hi and welcome. Yes, if it were I and those were my choices, I think I'd go with the aspire system. You should have no issues with a 1.2Ω coil. And anything you do will be far, far safer than smoking.

appreciate your advice .. thank you

 

[Storm52]

Breeze isn't warm with the 1.2 ohm coil.

 

[pene1412]

They are Chinese, but do have presence in both Europe and North America. They are a respectable/reputable brand.

yes actually i have never heard any complaining about them..

 

[pene1412]

Breeze isn't warm with the 1.2 ohm coil.

good to know thanx alot

 

[Storm52]

Pene, where are you located?

 

[gerrymi]

i think i will try the breeze

The Breeze had a few weaknesses...I'd consider the Breeze-2...

Aspire Breeze 2 Review | The Coolest Breeze - Vaping360

Breeze 2 Kit by Aspire

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