Help me get off sub-ohming

[Jebbn]

Hi,
I dont know if any of this would be useful to you, you have been vaping longer than I have and apart from a brief play with a smok spirals as a DL I dont know much about DL, I just know I dont like it.
You can raise the nic level and use a low watt higher ohm mtl tank but its generally a cooler vape, it might be the warmer vape with lower ohms at 34w's that you like about the dl.
Ive got an IJOY Elf that takes 0.5, 0.7, 1.2, 1.6 and 1.8ohm coils, the 0.5 at 30w is warm and lush and juice is guzzled even just mtl vaping. The 1.6 and 1.8 coils are very cool vapes in comparison and it seems like juice lasts 3x longer than either the 0.5 or 0.7 coils.
Even though I want to only vape at low watts I do find myself leaving the 0.5 in the Elf just for an occasional quick bigger hit and break from the higher ohm, lower watt mtl vaping Im trying to cultivate as a habit for myself.
The Innokin Endura T22 with 1.5ohm coil @ 14w is a warmish mtl vape, kind of on par with the elf with 0.7ohm at 20w and probably produces a similar amount of vapour when used mtl.
The T22 doesnt have airflow adjustment apart from slightly looser when you unscrew the tank from the mod a little. You would probably end up with stretch marks on your trachea trying to DL with this tank.
I use the T22 for higher % nic as a kick in the head in the morning and maybe late afternoon. I use the Elf and 0.5coils with lower % nic for a bit of lunch time entertainment and for deep pondering at night and use a Zenith with mid strength nic as my all day puff. I use them all MTL.

 

[vapdivrr]

I agree with everyone as well, all good points and I realize everyone is different and that's cool. It's just my opinion that it's kind of strange and sorry if I went off track...I only dtl like maybe 5 percent of the time, like if it's been hours and hours since I have vaped (not in the morning however ) and in that instance I will take one or two dtl hits. I can actually obtain this on my mtl rebuildable rtas, so it's all good . I have heard of the top tanks and heard they are very good, but I'm really happy with the rta's I have , no complaints....thanks my friend

I'm with @vapdivrr in that the cloud chasin' crowd looks like a bunch of idiots.

I'm also with @Letitia and @Rossum in that if these idiots don't mind looking like idiots they ought to be allowed to do so.

BUT... I also think @HauntedMyst has the right idea. Keeping idiots together is a good thing. Brussels has a red light district for a very good reason.

In the "what happened to Kanger" thread, I pointed out that the versatility of the Subtank and Toptank line allowed for both DTL and MTL by making a few relatively cheap and easy adjustments either way. If you're torn between the two methods, there are few better options than a Toptank. I'm all DTL now, but it would take me ten minutes to covert a TTM to a cigalike vape.

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[stols001]

Not gonna argue IQ or nothing, mine feels like it's hovering around 50 at the moment, and I ALMOST wish it was. LOL.

Good MTL tanks: The Nautilus 2, any tank that takes the Joytech CLR coil (like, the ego one mega, V2, the odessey, (man I like that tank!) and even the Tron S (if you like ugly, ah, manly) but mainly the joy is in the coil. The Innoken Zenith is great, coil longevity easy topfill. They're all MTL as far as draw. Etc.

Anna

 

[zapped]

As a long-time mouth to lung vaper who vapes for all the right reasons ( ie quitting smoking) I've never seen the point in sub-ohming.

It's like ordering a double shot of whiskey and pouring half of it down the front of your shirt just because you think it makes you look cool.

If you're looking for taste then I highly recommend the Kabuki tank.

It takes Nautilus coils and the flavor is outstanding.

I get just as satisfying a vape at 10 watts as some people do at 150 watts.

With the added benefit of being able to stealth vape pretty much anywhere I want to.... without someone thinking that I'm doing my best imitation of a human fog machine....... Or being a juice/mod ..... for the brick-and-mortar stores.

 

[Letitia]

So there is only one right reason to vape? How arrogant.

 

[Alter]

As a long-time mouth to lung vaper who vapes for all the right reasons ( ie quitting smoking) I've never seen the point in sub-ohming.

I found subohm just a phase I went through and it was a good run. Went through lots of juice, fogged many rooms but still find more satisfaction vaping higher ohm builds. 1.4Ω 29/34 rayon clapton been my build of choice for eons. Its easy on the batts, throws a quality vape and I feel safe using a mech.

 

[Janusz]

As a long-time mouth to lung vaper who vapes for all the right reasons ( ie quitting smoking) I've never seen the point in sub-ohming.

It's like ordering a double shot of whiskey and pouring half of it down the front of your shirt just because you think it makes you look cool.

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I am just curious...what are all the right reasons...besides quitting smoking????

By the way I consider myself mouth to lung vaper and have over dozen different atties...and all of them use sub-ohm coils... my sweet point is between 0.6-0.8 ohm... so definitelly I am sub-ohming... not only that... I hate extremelly tight "berserker style" draw and stealthy miniscule amount of vape... I am sure I will not win any clouds chasing contest but for satisfying vape I need to feel a lot of vapor in my mouth and lungs... I was smoker for 43 years and for the last six months I tried stinky four times... each time after 2 -4 puffs I throw it out with disgust... one reason was terrible taste it left in my mouth and another reason was how unsatifying amount of smoke cigarette produced... for me vaping is not just nicotine delivery method... if nicotine delivery was all that was neccesary to quit smoking I would be smoke free many years ago with using patches and chewing gum...

 

[Janusz]

Not gonna argue IQ or nothing, mine feels like it's hovering around 50 at the moment, and I ALMOST wish it was. LOL.

Good MTL tanks: The Nautilus 2, any tank that takes the Joytech CLR coil (like, the ego one mega, V2, the odessey, (man I like that tank!) and even the Tron S (if you like ugly, ah, manly) but mainly the joy is in the coil. The Innoken Zenith is great, coil longevity easy topfill. They're all MTL as far as draw. Etc.

Anna

I still like Nautilus 2 tanks (although not use it very often since I have so many RTAs now) but I am pretty disappointed with eGo ONE mega Mini tank with CLR coil... I do not know if it is my build or the tank... but flavor is quite poor and draw very noisy (whistling). I will give it some more tries but I doubt it will get even close to Siren , Dwarv, Doggy or even Nautilus 2 level...

 

[Ryedan]

Hey Zapped ... it's been a while. Nice to see you here again

I get just as satisfying a vape at 10 watts as some people do at 150 watts.

I hear ya. OTOH, you probably wouldn't appreciate a 150 watt vape and the folks who do probably wouldn't appreciate a 10 watt vape. The two are really, really different. I've vaped both over the years and appreciated them when I did.

Whatever works for people and for whatever reason (within reason), is fine with me. It can also change over time as it has for me. In the end it's all good. No-one has ever died from vaping, unlike what happens with smoking.

 

[Hobbs]

I just never found a sweet spot in sub ohm and temp control. Tried both. Vape too warm and what not. Flavor has never been a consideration though, since I vape non-flavored. Here's what I've tried in the higher resistance lower wattage "hobby".

- Innokin starter kits T-18 and T-22 are pretty good. However, I eventually became annoyed with the top coil occasionally spitting hot juice and the fact I couldn't adjust power. The vape was too warm. The Innokin tanks did work better for me on other regulated devices that I could adjust. All that said, I preferred by a wide margin, the performance of the T-18 over the T-22. Same coil different tanks. Different science I guess ... or something.
- Aspire Nautilus tanks, both original and Mini, with 1.8 ohm coils. That coil is still my all time favorite drop-in coil although I prefer it in a Kabuki from House of Hybrids because I can control a wider range and more precise airflow with the Kabuki over the Nautilus tanks.
- Billet Box with a comfort bridge that accepts the Nautilus 1.8 ohm coil that I dearly love. Not recommended for someone just wanting to try a different type vape unless they have a few hundred bucks to gamble.
- SXK Doggystyle 2K16 RTA. My go to build is 30 AWG A1 Kanthal 7-8 wraps on 2mm (1.8-1.9 ohms). I've found the Doggystyle vapes best with a Rayon wick but is decent with cotton too. THIS is a pretty easy to build deck as well as a cheap alternative for someone wishing to try something else. Recommended, but starting out, there is a learning curve to building and finding that sweet spot.

Now days, I actually prefer building over my beloved and reliable Nautilus 1.8 ohm drop-in coil but keep a running Kabuki ... or two around the house or grab and go. Once past that build learning curve and finding the sweet spot, the Doggystyle is just such a great vape. So for me and on a daily basis, it's either a Kabuki and/or Doggystyle ... and/or a Billet Box.

I have absolutely no desire what so ever to even go back and give sub ohm and temp control a try again. Not only no desire, but no reason what so ever.

 

[ilporcupine]

As has been noted above, subohm and MTL are not antonyms. With a regulated, buck/ boost device, subohm only really matters in edge cases.
In a language vein, the term I would use(and will ) for 'over 1 ohm' is supraohm. This corresponds most closely with the use of 'subohm'.
The MTL/DTL/DL terms are not as precise as is needed either, as some of us inhale directly, but like a tight draw. The devices I use are labeled as MTL, but I really don't draw that way. I didn't smoke that way, most often, either. If used to describe airflow/draw only, they are pretty descriptive, and generally people will know what you refer to. It's when the terms for draw/airflow get tangled with the coil resistance, that all bets are off.
I know people have a long-aquired history with these terms, and I am not going to change their minds, but I will use more precise terms, and explain what I mean, rather than taking shortcuts with technical language.

 

[ilporcupine]

I do realize that using sub-ohm as a verb, as in:"I have been sub-ohming" is just a shortcut, but it does grate a bit.

 

[Letitia]

I do realize that using sub-ohm as a verb, as in:"I have been sub-ohming" is just a shortcut, but it does grate a bit.

Tip toeing off your lawn...

 

[Opinionated]

Hey y’all,
I’ve been vaping MTL using a sub-ohm device for a few years now, and am looking to make a change.
My usual set-up is a either a cleito tank or a silo beast tank and a Eleaf 200w PV. I usually use .5 coils and vape at around 34 Watts with the airflow screwed down pretty tight.

Lately it’s been hard on my lungs to vape this way, and I race through juice, but when I try to go back to my old low-wattage aspire tanks, the flavor and vapor production feel so weak.

I haven’t been keeping up with all the new styles and devices, so i’m hoping for recommendations.

I like to keep it simple and prefer large tanks, pre-built coils, and built-in batteries as opposed to full mods.

Any pointers would be appreciated. My silo beast tank is actually still going strong, but my PV has been dropped tons of times and is really due for replacement.

I would recommend an RTA for you.. it's time to learn how to build...

I like the Siren v2 for you to start with. It's leakproof, has great flavor, and is a good all around MTL tank.

As Coastal Cowboy says, 6 or 7 wraps of 26 gauge (my favourite) will do you just fine on that..

 

[DeloresRose]

So there is only one right reason to vape? How arrogant.

I agree. There seems to be a mindset that ‘my style is the only real or smart or not stupid way’.


I don’t subohm or dl for clouds. I prefer the hit and flavor.


People do plenty of awful things that give me reason to strongly dislike them. How they freaking INHALE is not one of them. Being a judgmental jerk is.

 

[ilporcupine]

Tip toeing off your lawn...

Not being cranky, sweets, just trying to be clear... Now I need to figure out how vapor (atomized liquid) can be "dry". I don't know what that means, at all! I keep hearing these terms, and I think... WHAAAT??

 

[Letitia]

Not being cranky, sweets, just trying to be clear... Now I need to figure out how vapor (atomized liquid) can be "dry". I don't know what that means, at all! I keep hearing these terms, and I think... WHAAAT??

Dry is just a description same as commenting club soda and gin has a "dry" taste/feel.

 

[vapdivrr]

As has been noted above, subohm and MTL are not antonyms. With a regulated, buck/ boost device, subohm only really matters in edge cases.
In a language vein, the term I would use(and will ) for 'over 1 ohm' is supraohm. This corresponds most closely with the use of 'subohm'.
The MTL/DTL/DL terms are not as precise as is needed either, as some of us inhale directly, but like a tight draw. The devices I use are labeled as MTL, but I really don't draw that way. I didn't smoke that way, most often, either. If used to describe airflow/draw only, they are pretty descriptive, and generally people will know what you refer to. It's when the terms for draw/airflow get tangled with the coil resistance, that all bets are off.
I know people have a long-aquired history with these terms, and I am not going to change their minds, but I will use more precise terms, and explain what I mean, rather than taking shortcuts with technical language.

I agree......sub ohm doesn't really cut it. It implies that you dtl and blow massive clouds when it doesnt. Even dtl implies sub ohm and clouds, but really doesnt, just like mtl implies really low wattage and resistances very high when it really doesnt. Maybe a term of either high or low wattage vapor? Not sure as there are just to many variables. It's like my personal vaping style, I vape .7 coils, mtl at 23 ish watts on rebuildable rtas, yes it's sub ohm, but not what people imagine when they think of as a sub ohm vapor.....

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[Letitia]

. Maybe a term of either high or low wattage vapor?

Then we would be discussing what watts = either.

 

[vapdivrr]

Very true.....maybe we can categorize? Like cat #1 is true mtl, really tight draw and wattages under 15....cat 2 is mtl 25 to 15. And so on....I imagine about 6 cats would do it and then someone can say "hey I'm a cat 4, can you help me?" Never happen though I suppose.....

Then we would be discussing what watts = either.[emoji38]

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