Help me get off sub-ohming

[Janusz]

Not being cranky, sweets, just trying to be clear... Now I need to figure out how vapor (atomized liquid) can be "dry". I don't know what that means, at all! I keep hearing these terms, and I think... WHAAAT??

I do not know how to figure it out also but I definitely can feel it...Some of my RTAs are giving me feel of dry vapor and some moist... Siren for example is much moister and that is probably reason I love it so much despite that it provides maybe slightly less flavor... I think those MTL that are considered juice guzzlers generally provide more condensed/moister vape and those that use less liquid - dryer... of course diameter of coil and tightness of wicking also affects that feel...

Personally what irks me the most is when reviewers describing the tank say something like -"this tank has definitely proper MTL air flow since it has under coil 1.2 mm hole.... they basically equate very tight draw with mouth to lung vaping style.... I have nothing against people who like to suck hard to fill their mouth with vapor but I see no reason for calling it proper MTL... even as smoker I usually rolled my cigarette between fingers to loosen if tobacco was pack too tight... and of course there were people who did opposite... sure if a hole under coil is 3mm or bigger it is not very good MTL but even with such huge holes I am able to get more satisfying vape than when I have to suck golf ball through the garden hose... I would prefer if reviewers just stated this tank offer very tight MTL draw thanks to small hole under coil... I have almost dozen MTL tanks and just 3 DTL tanks... none of my MTL tank has "proper MTL" hole under... closest to this term is my SXK Dogystyle... the rest has 2- 2.5 holes and work perfectly for "my not very propper MTL" vaping.

 

[Janusz]

Very true.....maybe we can categorize? Like cat #1 is true mtl, really tight draw and wattages under 15....cat 2 is mtl 25 to 15. And so on....I imagine about 6 cats would do it and then someone can say "hey I'm a cat 4, can you help me?" Never happen though I suppose.....

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Are you calling me fake MTL vaper because I hate really tight draw ???? But I swear... I always inhale first into mouth... never directly to lung....

 

[Vinnybagodoughnuts]

I vape at .5 ohms and less then 20 watts.Usually closer to 14. I also vape DTL. Let's see you guys put me into a neat little box.
I don't want to continue to derail this thread but the conflating of terms here is making my eye twitch. Sub ohming means you are using a coil with a resistance of less then 1 ohm no matter how you want to suck on it.

 

[Letitia]

All hobbies have slang and we may as well get used to it. The very subjective nature of vaping will always affect terminology. When it comes down to draw, watts used, and juice There are just too many variables to have a short vocabulary.

 

[Opinionated]

Are you calling me fake MTL vaper because I hate really tight draw ???? But I swear... I always inhale first into mouth... never directly to lung....

Lol.. I'm with you on that.

I am a MTL vaper, love the Kayfun 4 and 5, the 24mm Hastur, Taifun GT3 etc.

Those all have one thing in common, more air than the whole sucking a golf ball through a garden hose sensation that some older MTL tanks have.

What I learned however is that if I hang out with self proclaimed MTL vapers and take their advice on what's good, then I'm buying crap RTA's for a lot of money that cannot be used because of the lack of air flow..

So.. I don't read the tootle puffers thread, even though I don't vape above 15 watts.. ever. Why? Because I find their advice faulty.. lol.. they like tighter draws than I do.. so I figure I'm in my own weird category. Lol..

 

[Opinionated]

I vape at .5 ohms and less then 20 watts.Usually closer to 14. I also vape DTL. Let's see you guys put me into a neat little box.
I don't want to continue to derail this thread but the conflating of terms here is making my eye twitch. Sub ohming means you are using a coil with a resistance of less then 1 ohm no matter how you want to suck on it.

Nope.. lol..

 

[vapdivrr]

Are you calling me fake MTL vaper because I hate really tight draw ???? But I swear... I always inhale first into mouth... never directly to lung....

No....I just haven't finished categorizing yet. [emoji5]. You would be in the next category

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[ilporcupine]

Dry is just a description same as commenting club soda and gin has a "dry" taste/feel.

Ted: "Your guitar sounds brown"
Fred: "What does that mean, sounds brown"?
Ted: " Well, it's just a description, like when your piano sounds orange".

 

[HauntedMyst]

Not being cranky, sweets, just trying to be clear... Now I need to figure out how vapor (atomized liquid) can be "dry". I don't know what that means, at all! I keep hearing these terms, and I think... WHAAAT??

I do not know how to figure it out also but I definitely can feel it...Some of my RTAs are giving me feel of dry vapor and some moist...

Exactly. Sometimes the mist is too fine and not throwing enough liquid and it's too dry so to speak. Other times it's just too hot and for me it kills whatever flavor it might have had. Personally, I don't care how other people vape. I found my style. They may need to have a .00001 quad coil with 100 gigawatts through it, I don't need to understand it the same way I don't need to understand why some people put ketchup on eggs or fruit on pizza (ok, that last one is a bad example because seriously, if there was ever a capital worthy offense, it has to be putting fruit on pizza other than tomatoes.)

 

[Janusz]

Ted: "Your guitar sounds brown"
Fred: "What does that mean, sounds brown"?
Ted: " Well, it's just a description, like when your piano sounds orange".

 

[ilporcupine]

With wine, that "dry" has a specific meaning, and has nothing to do with 'feeling' dry...
A dry wine is a wine with a low sugar content. it means it is less sweet. It is descriptive because it can be quantified,as in, it actually DESCRIBES something tangible. A dry martini is the same, the less sweet vermouth, the dryer the martini.

 

[Letitia]

With wine, that "dry" has a specific meaning, and has nothing to do with 'feeling' dry...
A dry wine is a wine with a low sugar content. it means it is less sweet. It is descriptive because it can be quantified,as in, it actually DESCRIBES something tangible. A dry martini is the same, the less sweet vermouth, the dryer the martini.

My point exactly, some flavors are "dry". No mystery required...

 

[Jebbn]

Ted: "Your guitar sounds brown"
Fred: "What does that mean, sounds brown"?
Ted: " Well, it's just a description, like when your piano sounds orange".

I play guitar, I also hang out on a few guitar forums.
Some of the descriptors for guitar tone seem to make sense until you talk about it with someone else who might find those descriptors meaningless. Then you have to redefine your language to fall in to line with the other persons perceptions so you can carry on a meaningful conversation.
I find vaping to be similar in some ways. "Chalky" and "dry" are terms that have meaning to me and I understand them for myself but as descriptors in conversation with others they can be meaningless to them, "yuck" generally covers it but doesnt put a fine enough point on it.
Edited to add, both "chalky" and "dry" are also words that can describe guitar tones.


Brown sound is Eddie Van Halens sound, fwiw.

 

[stols001]

I don't care what I'm called, I answer to a lot of things, frankly. As long as you are happy, that's what matters. It's harder for a new vaper, probably, to find things they like but my advice is, if you find a few members who seem to vape like you do and you share similarities in gear, they're probably the best folks to ask about anything new and etc.

Anna

 

[SomethingElse]

WOW! What a wealth of diverse and interesting perspectives in this thread!! So, I guess I'll add one more. I am currently using 4 Vaporesso Nexuses. I have 3 filled with mixes of 3 NET juices from Black Note (6mg, 50%VG) blended with Aroma's DVAP WTA (24mg, 100%VG) to about ~12 mg/ml nic and ~70%VG which I enjoy MTL with the air-slots just barely open (probably still to "airy" for many). I think the flavor is good (though my taste-buds are probably still "crippled" by analogs) and I get more "vapor" than from a puff off a Camel Blue 99. My 4th Nexus has a mix of Virgin Vapor's "Jet Set" (a coffee flavor, 100%VG and 3mg/ml nic) with Aroma's DIY WTA PG Edition (50%VG, 24mg/ml) that is about 6mg/ml nic and ~85%VG. I've found that I like it best with the air-slots on the Nexus wide open and I draw on it with a slow, "gentle" (2-3 sec) DL hit. This, for me, results in "better/more" flavor and, of course, a much larger "cloud" on exhale. Nonetheless, I'm still thinking of trying a few other "things" in hopes of accelerating my departure from "stinkies." For example, if I don't win a Zenith tank in the contest, I'll probably buy one and attach it to one of my Tarot Nanos. I'm also thinking of getting a Justfog Minifit and trying some nic-salts. So, I guess all anyone can truly say, as evidenced from all the preceding comments, is there really is NO "one-way" to vape or any combination of devices and juices that will satisfy "everyone" and the verbiage/nomenclature used will probably always require at least some clarification. Too bad "Big Pharma" doesn't seem to grasp this concept, too.

 

[vapdivrr]

I don't care what I'm called, I answer to a lot of things, frankly. As long as you are happy, that's what matters. It's harder for a new vaper, probably, to find things they like but my advice is, if you find a few members who seem to vape like you do and you share similarities in gear, they're probably the best folks to ask about anything new and etc.

Anna

I don't really care either, that wasn't the point actually. I just thought as a set category or proper name one could get a better or faster handle on giving information faster....on every thread , for people asking for help, it takes a while to give answers because many of the posts are "what type of vapor are you" . "Do you want a mtl or dtl device" and so on and so on.....you know what I mean? That's why I was trying or thought it would be cool to have a category

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[zapped]

I don't think thats arrogant at all.

Hon Lik, the original creator of the eCig, invented them because his father died of lung cancer.

E-cigs have been a miracle for smokers and have the potential to save hundreds of thousands of lives.

I can't think of a better reason than that. For a lot of us it's life or death, it's not just a hobby or a different way to get high.

That being said, there are people who are misusing these

You can think it's arrogant if you want to but people who are using e-cigs as a delivery system for illicit substances...... They're using those outside of their intended purpose.

And there's a very real chance that they could get these taken away from us.... Or cause the FDA to put even more restrictions in place.

The same holds true to a lesser degree for people who vape 0mg at 150 watts and blow massive clouds just to impress their friends and to show off.

Again you may think that's arrogant but from where I'm sitting it's just the Stone Cold Truth.

 

[Letitia]

There is more than one good reason to vape; we smokers weren't the first and we certainly won't be the last. I wasn't referencing anything illicit btw.

 

[puffon]

You can think it's arrogant if you want to but people who are using e-cigs as a delivery system for illicit substances...... They're using those outside of their intended purpose.

Since Florida legalized MM, vaping it, is the only method currently legal.

 

[zapped]

There is more than one good reason to vape; we smokers weren't the first and we certainly won't be the last. I wasn't referencing anything illicit btw.

I'm not arguing with you there. I will point out however, some of us have a lot more to lose than others.

If someone loses a hobby, no big deal, chances are they're going to be moving on to another hobby within a year or two anyway.

On the other hand, if e cigs were to ever get taken away, there's a 99% chance that I would go back to smoking and end up dieing an excruciatingly painful and horrible death from lung cancer and/or emphysema.

Do I think my reasons for vaping are more valid than some others?

And should my voice be louder?

You damn right I do, and my voice should be louder, because myself and others who are in the same boat, have the most to lose.