Then you aren’t paying attention. Many experienced international and new vapers both still use the terms vape pens and oils.
Help me get off sub-ohming
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I am both a low power MTL and high power DTL vaper. I do mostly do MTL.
I want to emphasize that vaping was tolerated everywhere when DTL subohm equipment were not in existence yet. After the boom of big clouds machines, vaping was quickly prohibited all over the places in both forms.
I miss those halcyon days, when I was able to MTL vape, everywhere.
I want to emphasize that vaping was tolerated everywhere when DTL subohm equipment were not in existence yet. After the boom of big clouds machines, vaping was quickly prohibited all over the places in both forms.
I miss those halcyon days, when I was able to MTL vape, everywhere.
Vaping was always headed for regulation. Cloud chasers had nothing to do with that. What the rude cloud chasers did do was get vaping banned in vape friendly establishments that were willing to overlook the regulations.
I still think that cloud chasers were a sideline and not a reason.. I think the reason was mass amounts of MTL vapors suddenly vaping in non smoking establishments and practically daring the non smokers to do something about it..
Yes there are rude mtl vapers too. The vaping militants did not help either. Vaping being classified as a tobacco product didn’t help. Point is vaping was always going to to be regulated because it works and is no single group of vapers responsible for that happening. Those regulations being enforced is another matter.
I'm currently vaping a 0.34 ohm SS coil in a DoggyStyle RTA at 15 watts. My juice is 100% PG and if I hold the vape for three seconds it is the ultimate stealth vape in that there is virtually no cloud at all.
If I do not press fire button I can hold the vape far, far, far.... longer... and there is ABSOLUTELY no vapor at all....the ultimate stealth vaping is just to suck hard enough without pressing fire button so one or two drops of e-liquid get on your lips or tongue... but I really hate berserker style of vaping....
I can PM you the study...we could go back and forth , but one thing is for sure, you cannot disprove what I have saidI've never felt so disappointed by this community than I have when reading some of this thread.
This is simply wrong - I only care because you claim statistics back you up despite the fact that not only do statistics not back you up but the Flynn effect and correction prove otherwise. IQ has only gone up and up - to such an extent that every decade IQ tests get harder so that 100 remains average - if you scraped into mensa twenty years ago then you would no longer qualify. In fact, this is actually the best proof of how useless IQ tests are as a measure of intelligence as <70 indicates intellectual disability yet if an average person from just over a century ago took a modern test they'd fall within this category despite being intellectually capable.
What is arrogant is saying that vaping to make a nicotine addiction less harmful is okay but vaping to make an addiction to another drug less harmful is not. One of my friends lost an arm to gangrene due to gouching out with a needle left in there. Smoking ...... on foil is so wasteful that few addicts even consider it an option unless they're made of money. Vaping it would have saved his arm.
Legality doesn't equate to morality and denying harm-reduction technology to people because you don't like their drug of choice, rathering that they suffer collapsed nostrils, blown-out veins, frequent infections, risk of sepsis and risk of overdose etc is barbaric. Doing so because you're worried it could affect you is selfish - you do not "have the most to lose", not even close. Even if we're not talking in extremes with illicit substances, just cloud chasing with zero nicotine, what gives you the right to say what others do with their body?
**EDIT: I'm not saying politeness doesn't exist. Don't be a nuisance to others and the larger the clouds you produce the more vigilant you should be to ensure you don't affect/annoy others**
I have mild synaesthesia so this is actually perfectly valid to me - well, I can imagine a couple of brown guitar tones easily, with varying shades and textures to the "brush strokes" (although that isn't a great descriptor of how music forms visually in my head). I don't like any of them by themselves mind you - brown on a classical guitar exists in my mind only as really old bass strings and on electric guitar its a muffled distorted setting that would work in stoner metal and little else.
I can't imagine an orange piano tone no matter how hard I try - it simply ceases to be a piano tone the moment orange gets involved. In fact I'm struggling to think of any instrument that can produce a solidly orange tone in my head, at best bowed stringed instruments occasionally produce flickers of orange amidst light browns, golds and whites. Some electronically produced music paints lots of orange though
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I don't know what you mean by the "partake" bit and I've never heard someone refer to e juice as oils myself. Perhaps that's why I don't understand how someone could be offended by what you've just said. When I say vape pen that's just what people near me refer to eGo style batteries with simple atomisers as, I thought it was a ubiquitous term.
I literally can disprove what you've said and did so - every decade a panel is assembled to reset the world average IQ to 100 by increasing the boundaries. It's called the Flynn effect and is well documented. IQ is a terrible measure of intelligence and the scientist for which this effect is named actually talks about how this effect is proof of the inadequacy of IQ testing as a measure of intelligence. The only way you can find studies saying that IQ is decreasing is by looking at small samples, not global population.
Developing nations show the fastest increase, developed nations have slowed down and some cases e.g. the UK there is a decrease but globally IQ scores will not plateau until the entire world develops to a point where IQ test-style "intelligence" is ubiquitously necessary rather than unequally spread due to variance in employment opportunities i.e. farming doesn't require the kind of intelligence measured by IQ tests whereas training to be an engineer or physicist - jobs not remotely on the radar of an impoverished person in sub saharan africa trying to make ends meet - do require this.
Go ahead and send me some studies, here's a meta review of 271 studies from the last century: One Century of Global IQ Gains: A Formal Meta-Analysis of the Flynn Effect (1909-2013). - PubMed - NCBI
Here's another meta-review of 285 studies:
The Flynn effect: a meta-analysis. - PubMed - NCBI
Here's the wikipedia page on the Flynn effect as that seems to be eluding you
Flynn effect - Wikipedia
"The Flynn effect is the substantial and long-sustained increase in both fluid and crystallized intelligence test scores measured in many parts of the world over the 20th century.[1] When intelligence quotient (IQ) tests are initially standardized using a sample of test-takers, by convention the average of the test results is set to 100 and their standard deviation is set to 15 or 16 IQ points. When IQ tests are revised, they are again standardized using a new sample of test-takers, usually born more recently than the first. Again, the average result is set to 100. However, when the new test subjects take the older tests, in almost every case their average scores are significantly above 100."
I can't find a single review that concludes contrary to what I've said because, as I've stated and for some reason have to reiterate for you, IQ has been going up at approximately 3 points per decade and IQ testing facilities correct for this every decade so that IQ can always be defined as a scale where 100 is average and the standard deviation is 15. Like how celsius is defined where 0 is the triple point of water and 100 is the boiling point, each at 1 atmosphere pressure, that is how this scale is defined - the difference being that IQ test scores are not permanent physical characteristics of the universe but measurements of social characteristics. Saying that IQ is going down is like saying the boiling point of water is 50 and the triple point is 100 - sure, if your scale is defined that way then that is true but the units are certainly not celsius, kelvin or fahrenheit and you're needlessly reversing the direction of the scale.
I literally can disprove what you've said .[/QUOTE] So there is absolutely no truth to this? IQ scores are falling and have been for decades - CNN
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That's not vaping. That just means you are a sucker.If I do not press fire button I can hold the vape far, far, far.... longer... and there is ABSOLUTELY no vapor at all....the ultimate stealth vaping is just to suck hard enough without pressing fire button so one or two drops of e-liquid get on your lips or tongue... but I really hate berserker style of vaping....
In small subsets of the population there are declines - but only in highly developed nations that have reached a peak in how useful IQ test styled intelligence is already. Developing nations show a dramatic increase and this skews the effect. News outlets like to take small studies like this out of their global context and write sensationalist stories about humanity dumbing down. So there is an element of truth in the article, but so much of the truth is left out that it amounts to little more than clickbait.
IQ tests do not accurately measure intelligence though, the tests were developed to measure intellectual development in children and are erroneously used as intellectual pissing contests in adults. I don't know what your job/career is, but presuming it is different to mine I can be fairly certain that you are more intelligent within that field than I am and vice versa; logical intelligence will not help you perform tasks that require specific knowledge.
My preferred vaping style is in the mouth and out the nose slowly. I feel like I get the best nic satisfaction that way. At home that's how I vape. When I'm out and being stealthy I'm forced to direct inhale, hold it a few seconds, and then exhale with very little ambient vapor.
The whole point for me other than the vapor thing is nic satisfaction. That's really the #1 reason we feel the need to vape, anyway. The secondary part is recreating the actions of smoking (and reducing the urge to smoke).
It's been over 8 years vaping for me and I haven't had the urge for a smoke since early in the first year I vaped. Even then, I hadn't realized that vaping was taking care of my nic needs and my vapor production desires. Once I realize that I didn't need a few cigs every day, I quit smoking completely and never looked back. Vaping satisfied all the needs that smoking previously covered.
To the OP, my suggestion for tanks that do MTL and also provide something similar to sub-ohming and medium clouds would be the Innokin Ares (Phil and Dimitri's creation) and the Siren 2. Both will go from tight MTL to reasonably accurate subohm operation, IMO. It's an easy DTL draw. It's not a Subtank, but close if you are used to MTL vaping styles and like to go back and forth.
The whole point for me other than the vapor thing is nic satisfaction. That's really the #1 reason we feel the need to vape, anyway. The secondary part is recreating the actions of smoking (and reducing the urge to smoke).
It's been over 8 years vaping for me and I haven't had the urge for a smoke since early in the first year I vaped. Even then, I hadn't realized that vaping was taking care of my nic needs and my vapor production desires. Once I realize that I didn't need a few cigs every day, I quit smoking completely and never looked back. Vaping satisfied all the needs that smoking previously covered.
To the OP, my suggestion for tanks that do MTL and also provide something similar to sub-ohming and medium clouds would be the Innokin Ares (Phil and Dimitri's creation) and the Siren 2. Both will go from tight MTL to reasonably accurate subohm operation, IMO. It's an easy DTL draw. It's not a Subtank, but close if you are used to MTL vaping styles and like to go back and forth.
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Thing is IQ tests aren't that useful, honestly. There have been claims that things like the "Emotional Intelligence" IQish test is a more accurate and well rounded measure and etc. LOL, my mom used to frantically do IQ tests on all her kids (she did also take me as a baby to see the pediatrician because I was not "active" like my brother, she thought I was ......ed LOL) but it seems to me (and I've taken a few) that IQ measures things kind of specific to education and etc. My mom also turned me on to logic puzzles at an early age and I'm pretty good at them.
However, in the US, I sort of think measuring "Emotional Intelligence" would ah, be less useful these days, at least on SOME of our citizens.
Thing is though, even if my IQ is fairly high, I have met oh LOTS of folks who may read slower than me and whatnot and whatever, but they are absolutely brilliant in other areas of life. I bet that was true in Medieval times too. You've got kinesthetic IQ, you've got musical IQ, you've got "skill" and you've got a lot of measure that can be done in so many areas.
IDK if IQ is decreasing or not, I WILL say the educational system is breaking down. However, take the U of AZ. They SUCK . They are a party school, they are HORRENDOUS. However, most of our police force is culled from the fraternities there, and they're preparing to take over most of the health and mental health systems in Tucson. So, they're crafty and doing something right but I will say before I go ANYWHERE doctor wise, I research their credentials and if they were trained by the U of A, I Won't GO. LOL.
What this has to do with sub0hming I have no clue, but I'm also not going to post my IQ score a) it's irrelevant and b) I find people overly obsessed with IQ to be um, pretentious. I could've joined Mensa but OMG HOW HORRIBLE why would I want to go meet people who PREEN basted on their IQs and b) Many folks who I've found JUST GREAT have "low IQs" but I'll tell you some of my favorite clients may not read journals much but they had excellent "gang" IQs or whatever. Sometimes, you just have to get to know a person to find out how smart they really are.
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However, in the US, I sort of think measuring "Emotional Intelligence" would ah, be less useful these days, at least on SOME of our citizens.
Thing is though, even if my IQ is fairly high, I have met oh LOTS of folks who may read slower than me and whatnot and whatever, but they are absolutely brilliant in other areas of life. I bet that was true in Medieval times too. You've got kinesthetic IQ, you've got musical IQ, you've got "skill" and you've got a lot of measure that can be done in so many areas.
IDK if IQ is decreasing or not, I WILL say the educational system is breaking down. However, take the U of AZ. They SUCK . They are a party school, they are HORRENDOUS. However, most of our police force is culled from the fraternities there, and they're preparing to take over most of the health and mental health systems in Tucson. So, they're crafty and doing something right but I will say before I go ANYWHERE doctor wise, I research their credentials and if they were trained by the U of A, I Won't GO. LOL.
What this has to do with sub0hming I have no clue, but I'm also not going to post my IQ score a) it's irrelevant and b) I find people overly obsessed with IQ to be um, pretentious. I could've joined Mensa but OMG HOW HORRIBLE why would I want to go meet people who PREEN basted on their IQs and b) Many folks who I've found JUST GREAT have "low IQs" but I'll tell you some of my favorite clients may not read journals much but they had excellent "gang" IQs or whatever. Sometimes, you just have to get to know a person to find out how smart they really are.
Anna
Meanwhile the average IQ is dropping drastically here in sweden... Though i wonder why... Hmm...
Anyways this topic is kind of a trainwreck, actually posting a picture of a trainwreck was my initially thought when i read here, but i see someone else got ahead of me.
What ever works for you is what works, it's that simple realy.
I'm personally still using ancient mechs with with ancient kayfuns, well atleast they're considered ancient by these days.
I also still got my old ego-kanger setups but those never see the light anymore, even tho it's how i started. Rebuilding my (mini)-protankcoils and it just went onwards there. Somehow i got stuck at rebuilding kayfuns and using reliable mech mods. I've a few regulated as well but rarely used.
But i've to agree that the whole sub-ohm wording is starting to loose it's meaning given due we've now TC devices and what not.
But what generally sparks to mind when someone mention subohm to me, is those who using 150w+ watts and or super low ohm coil pushing the battery limit (which is stupid)
Only real thing that matter is, do you wanna litterally zip the juice 30+ml a day at 0.3 or do you want to zip here and there ocassionally at 1.8%?
In my case it's simple for mostly economical reason. Also reason why i only DIY these days. Sadly EU decided to kill of DIY also, so now that's nearly as expensive as buying commercial ejuice.
Well i could prolly write a lot more, but this is my rant anyway.
Precisely so.That's not vaping. That just means you are a sucker.
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Using 'sub-ohm' coils is just ONE way of increasing power dissipated. You can just as easily (with more batteries, or a modern power supply) raise the voltage and hence current, dissipating more power.
The term of 'sub-ohming' is a bit of a throwback to when everything was a mech mod. That said, in order to get a lot of coil surface area with high power, and not have to tote heavy mods, lowering the resistance does that handily.
As Rossum said, you can still turn it down and get a suitable 'MTL' draw, without all that heat!
The term of 'sub-ohming' is a bit of a throwback to when everything was a mech mod. That said, in order to get a lot of coil surface area with high power, and not have to tote heavy mods, lowering the resistance does that handily.
As Rossum said, you can still turn it down and get a suitable 'MTL' draw, without all that heat!
I'd like to think many of us old schoolers, like to think of MTL as a tight cigarette draw. This was always the case for me. This also why even the new "mtl" devices rarely work for me.
I want that tight draw but at the same time getting a moutfull of flavour godness. Which so far nothing has been able to give except the old school gear.
Only thing i've yet to try is the berserker though, so i'll give that one a pass. I had high hopes for the siren v2. But still wasn't my kind of a thing.
Kaifuns and the like do one job, and do it to the satisfaction of many people. Newer equipment is definitely trying to cover more tastes with the same equipment, that is how you get market share...
As far as flavor goes, well...cue the carto drippers
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