Help passing Nic Test!!!

[aikanae1]

That vape shop must be insane. Who puts nic in their tester units? Do they want people getting sick after trying their flavors? Hope they have buckets nearby! They should all be zero nic.

And I wish you could name the company that's getting all Gestapo on you. They should be named and shamed.

Alaska Airlines (hdq south of Seattle) was the first company I'd heard of to go all gestapo on nic with random testing, pre employment tests and some employees freak out about second hand smoke showing up. That was about thirty years ago when it started. The laws up there are insane. I wouldn't be surprised if someday landlords were given the right to test renters for nic.

But from what I've read, blood tests are less sensitive than urine tests, so having a little in your system isn't going to show up as promently. There is still a threshold amount, re: second hand smoke. Say your partner smokes. That'd be crazy if your employer required you to get a divorce or break off from a relationship. It might take something so ridiculous to get the point across how stupid this is.

Meanwhile I think every vaper should claim non smoking rates. Even with nicotine, it seems unlikely to be higher than second hand smoke levels. Make insurance companies figure out ways of detection because they don't have one now.

Your asorbtion rate of nic varies with how you vape as well. It doesn't all show up in plasma unless your doing lung hits. I don't fully understand this, but asorbtion in the blood is lessened with mouth/nose yet your brain still gets the benefits.

Unrelated, here's another chart I found

 

[DC2]

Meanwhile I think every vaper should claim non smoking rates. Even with nicotine, it seems unlikely to be higher than second hand smoke levels.

I vape about one milliliter of 12mg liquid per day.

I bought a bunch of these, and I tested positive every time I tried...
Nicotine Test Kits | Nicotine Testing from Home Health Testing

I had my wife try it as well, just to make sure they worked, and she did not test positive.

 

[zoiDman]

I vape about one milliliter of 12mg liquid per day.

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1ml/day... Wow, that isn't Much e-Liquid.

At that Rate, a 1L Bottle of 100mg would Last you about 22.8 Years.

That's Cool.

 

[Rwb1500]

That vape shop must be insane. Who puts nic in their tester units? Do they want people getting sick after trying their flavors? Hope they have buckets nearby! They should all be zero nic.

And I wish you could name the company that's getting all Gestapo on you. They should be named and shamed.

Are you super serious?

 

[volume control]

I have seen that, but i also saw it could take a month depending on how long you smoked for and what test they are doing. Well i smoked for 32 years and they are doing a blood draw so i am trying my hardest to pass. Really i think i am doing good with no nic. I mean people around me are still alive and all so......lol I really think this is more a hand to mouth thing.

It was a cotinine test via blood sample. Pretty serious stuff. 10 smokes a day roughly and a 20 year smoker at that point. I think i only had 1 cig on the 5th day prior to stopping. Had planned on a week and couldnt do it, took me a few days to stop.

 

[Kbennett65]

I agree, but it seems more and more places in my city are doing that. especially if you are in healthcare. Thus i am stuck. I have been in healthcare longer than i care to admit.

Same here, health care [an RN] for quite a while. My employer started the same smoking policy for insurance three years ago, along with the "fitness" tests. Your rates depend on how well you score on their stupid tests, and if you don't improve your results the next year they can actually raise your rates and deductibles again! I was so P.O.'d by the policy that I flat out refused to comply. I'd rather pay the higher rates and deductibles from jump than let some insurance company dictate how I choose to live my life.

 

[Vicshalls]

Same here, health care [an RN] for quite a while. My employer started the same smoking policy for insurance three years ago, along with the "fitness" tests. Your rates depend on how well you score on their stupid tests, and if you don't improve your results the next year they can actually raise your rates and deductibles again! I was so P.O.'d by the policy that I flat out refused to comply. I'd rather pay the higher rates and deductibles from jump than let some insurance company dictate how I choose to live my life.

WOW now that is just crazy. I can, however, see my company going in that same direction. If you choose not to do the bio metrics your rate goes up 80 a month. does not matter if you smoke or not that is how much it will be. I just see it as a way to control us all. At some point we will no longer be free and if we choose to be it will be at a great cost to us.

 

[tj99959]

Just tell them you had eggplant for dinner.

 

[Vicshalls]

Just tell them you had eggplant for dinner.

Not going to work. They said if you tested positive for any reason you get to pay more and you can join the smoking cessation program. Lol how is that for crazy.

 

[Vicshalls]

Test has been completed now to see what the results are. they say it can take up to two weeks. I did however go home and vape on some juice that had nic in it. Forgot what that head rush was all about. lol Will check back in once the results are in. Wish me luck.

 

[CreepyLady]

Good luck

Im sure it will be fine!

 

[Shipmonster]

WOW now that is just crazy. I can, however, see my company going in that same direction. If you choose not to do the bio metrics your rate goes up 80 a month. does not matter if you smoke or not that is how much it will be. I just see it as a way to control us all. At some point we will no longer be free and if we choose to be it will be at a great cost to us.

And people still oppose social medicine?

Profit margins and greedy CEO's/shareholders are whats causing this. Much like we quit smoking cigarettes that cause lung cancer I think we may need to re-evaluate our actions. Just my 3 cents. I'm not looking for an argument from anyone, I lived outside the US with social healthcare and none of these problems ever arose.

 

[Bunnykiller]

yup... be a non nic user and get the discount.... but when you get home after work and on the weekends you can chug down a couple of 6 packs of beer each day and still qualify for the discounted insurance ( which would be good since the extra money saved can go for more beer ) ...

 

[Robino1]

Test has been completed now to see what the results are. they say it can take up to two weeks. I did however go home and vape on some juice that had nic in it. Forgot what that head rush was all about. lol Will check back in once the results are in. Wish me luck.

Good luck!!!!!
I, for one, will be awaiting your results post!

 

[Bunnykiller]

I think there may be a trace in the NET's. I don't know for sure so don't quote me on that.

depending on how the tobacco was extracted, it can be as high as 3 mg/ml..... normally it comes in at 1.5 mg/ml

 

[always9988]

Pay the fee or quit NIC for good. Last thing you want to do is pass the test, pay the lower fee and think you are insured and use NIC again – say you get sick and they make you pass another test to get your bills paid...
JK

This is what my husband said his company plans on doing. I don't know if it's for every medical visit or just random or what yet, won't have details until January when it takes effect. Either way, they will deny the claim if nicotine shows up on the test.

If you guys think this is bad, a large hospital here recently enacted a policy that states you will be fired for being a smoker or testing positive for nicotine in your system. Luckily I don't work in health care so my company hasn't tried anything like that. I'm pretty sure the way some of the people I work with drive in and out of the parking lot here is a bigger hazard than smoking 2 packs a day.

That's every hospital and Dr office here.

 

[Vicshalls]

Funny thing they are now leaglizing (other stuff) but making nicotine illegal. lol I just find it so funny. Wow how the tides have changed.

 

[Robino1]

depending on how the tobacco was extracted, it can be as high as 3 mg/ml..... normally it comes in at 1.5 mg/ml

So even if I eventually get to zero mg nic, I am still getting some...
Does that mean that my actual NET vapes are higher mg nic than what I think they are?

For instance, I am currently vaping 7mg nic liquids. Factor in the 1.5-3mg nic for the NET......
I'm really vaping 8.5-10mg nic liquid per ml?

Interesting. Probably why I'm not having any problems dropping my nic. If I can trick my brain into thinking I am actually vaping higher nic, I could potentially drop to zero yet still have my brain think I am getting up to 3mg.

I kinda like that!

Sucks for the ones being tested though. Maybe they should just go to a fruit or other and stay away from the tobacco types for a while.

 

[iamthevoice]

I might not be the popular opinion here, but expecting insurance premiums to be the same for everyone, regardless of their general health, consumption habits and so on seems very socialist to me. It would stand to reason that less healthy individuals make more insurance claims, and as such these individuals cost more. And as a general rule, smokers tend to be less healthy than non-smoking individuals, barring other unhealthy habits!

I completely agree that testing for nicotine is NOT the same as determining if someone smokes or not. THAT is the real problem here! Just the other side of the coin. And yes, even in Canada, our company's insurance policy had a smoking clause and increased premium as well.

 

[Robino1]

I might not be the popular opinion here, but expecting insurance premiums to be the same for everyone, regardless of their general health, consumption habits and so on seems very socialist to me. It would stand to reason that less healthy individuals make more insurance claims, and as such these individuals cost more. And as a general rule, smokers tend to be less healthy than non-smoking individuals, barring other unhealthy habits!

I completely agree that testing for nicotine is NOT the same as determining if someone smokes or not. THAT is the real problem here! Just the other side of the coin. And yes, even in Canada, our company's insurance policy had a smoking clause and increased premium as well.

The problem arises when circumstances change and a person no longer achieves the 'ideal' that the insurance company has set forth. They then can deny paying a claim.

Example: an individual has the ideal weight, height ratio when they have signed up. They hurt themselves and are sitting around which leads to a weight gain. Now the insurance company can deny the or raise rates based on the person no longer meeting the ideal requirement to achieve the insurance at the ideal rate.

Insurance companies are happy to insure people who will never use their insurance. Can we say greedy?