This statement leaves me dumbfounded and pretty much without any kind of reply.
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Help-started smoking again! E-cig not doing it for me!
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This statement leaves me dumbfounded and pretty much without any kind of reply.
As others said, it's still an extract of tobacco: there's nothing in it that's not in tobacco. I don't see how smoking cigarettes could be a "better" option from a health standpoint.
And again, cigarettes don't have to be the less expensive option. I have certainly (by over half) saved money by switching. Without a doubt. I appreciate the health and logistical benefits of vaping, but if it weren't for being cheaper I don't think I would have had the incentive to do it.
As for PITA: having to babysit an open flame in my bare hands outside every hour, stand 20+ feet from any door or open window, no matter where I was or what time it was, having to endure 3-hour sporting events and concerts without a single puff, all the while spending $6 a day for the privilege of going through this routine--that is a pain in the ....
It's like driving, Jane. You don't need to put in the effort to learn to do it yourself, but you'll have to wait for buses and pay for cabs instead. If it's really so annoying to maintain an electronic cigarette that you're not swayed by money or health... well then there isn't much to say.
It appears to me the OP is finding reasons not to vape and reasons to smoke tobacco. As my Dad used to say, "You can justify anything YOU want to do, right or wrong.". It's easy to find faults with vaping...if deep inside you really don't want to do it.
If you do not want to vape, any coaxing, reading, researching, etc., will not change your mind. YOU have to want to make the change; no one can do it for you !
Sure, vaping takes a LOT more effort than tobacco. You got to order supplies, find desirable flavors, nic levels, charge batteries, etc.. With tobacco, tap a cig free from the pack, light it; enjoy. Repeat as needed. Effortless. But at a greater cost overall.
Good luck in whatever decision you choose.
If you do not want to vape, any coaxing, reading, researching, etc., will not change your mind. YOU have to want to make the change; no one can do it for you !
Sure, vaping takes a LOT more effort than tobacco. You got to order supplies, find desirable flavors, nic levels, charge batteries, etc.. With tobacco, tap a cig free from the pack, light it; enjoy. Repeat as needed. Effortless. But at a greater cost overall.
Good luck in whatever decision you choose.
I really do not have any answers for you but, I did want to suggest that if you do end up buying another PV, you would do well to get this set for under $50.00 $51.42 Vamo-Vivi Voltage Adjustable E-Cigarette Battery Compartment Set - with Nitecore I2 US battery charger/charger cable/2*Panasonic 18650 batteries at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
I have owned one for about 6-7 months now and it is the best PV that I have ever used. It is sturdy, reliable and low cost.
I too need simplicity with vaping and have found that with the Kanger T3s and ProTank which hold 2.5 mls of juice. It truly has been a fill and go set up for me.
Once you find what works for you, time on the forum will drop drastically. All that I can really tell you after 3 years of vaping and being free from the stench and cough that comes with cigs is that it was very well worth the investment of time and money to get where I am now.
Good luck to you and hang in there!
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Well, I just ordered nic juice, kanthal wire, silica wick. One more try and will try to rebuild heads. (Can't find info on how to tell a short with a multimeter - just swings way right (that happens if I adjust my Ohm Adj wheel way up)? I have a wheel on mine, needle starts at 150 ohm even when turned off, put in new batteries, still doesn't zero out, have at X1 setting ??????? Wheel turned way down needle doesn't move when attached to head, Just measured a head 146 point difference on a 1.8 ohm head at the X1 setting, Ohm adj wheel turned up about 1/4, when turned up higher reads off the chart!?!) Still not 100% clear on using MY multimeter. Will throw them on my old KGO and see what happens.)
If all goes well with head rebuilding, I may pick up that Vamo. Never heard of Fasttech, nice to know you've had for 6-7 months and still give a thumbs up. I'm guilty myself of giving positive reviews to something I haven't owned that long.
So I need to purchase a new (digital) multimeter. $20 + Mine can't be used? One of the better videos I've seen!
there was a point a few months ago where I considered quitting vaping too. When you first start vaping you have higher tolerance to garbage products, but as the months go by you start to get really tiresome of plastic tanks. They start to cause so much problems esp. with weak throat hits and leaking. I couldn't get any of my things to work right. I just upgraded all my gear to glass and got a mod and I've been good.. I wasn't gonna let 10 months of not smoking down the drain cus my gear was sucking.
The analog meters work similar to the digital... you have to get the range setting correct yourself. Before digital meters, all they had were analog. And they measured ohms, volts, amps....probably even continuity (is there a connection?).
I see Harbor Freight has a $5.49 digital multimeter. I plan on only using it to rebuild vivi nova's. If it's too bad, I can return it. I hate to give up too after all I've spent and gone through to quit smoking. If I can rebuild the heads, I think I'll be happier since I just can't afford to spend much more on this and the heads are what are killing me. Just looked at a thread where people are spending upwards of a thousand dollars in their first 6 mos. - Yikes! Another $50 on that Vamo from Fasttech and I'd be happy, but I've been here before. I just need X, then XX, then XXX.
I think many of the flaws in the equipment doesn't always show up right away.
I think many of the flaws in the equipment doesn't always show up right away.
Yeah. There's multiple dial positions for a function. You have to put the dial in the expected range for the readout to work. That's why Digital Multi Meters (DMM's) are usually auto-ranging.
It's also hard to read fractions of ohms and volts and such which is why the fantastic gal in the video said "get a digital one".
Anyway...
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/media/i3d/01/A/man-migrate/MANUAL000034172.pdf
It's also hard to read fractions of ohms and volts and such which is why the fantastic gal in the video said "get a digital one".
Anyway...
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/media/i3d/01/A/man-migrate/MANUAL000034172.pdf
Have you tried the edov's. They really are great. The head have been lasting me 3-6 weeks with regular maintenance and they are only 1.20 each if you don't feel like messing with it. Also, Do you have stronger juice than 12 mg? I could not have quit with 12 mg. I needed 24 mg.
Something I used, was telling myself That I was not going to have ONE. One is easier to wrap your head around. All the while, I had a pack in the drawer, so I knew that I could if I just couldn't stand myself it was there. Each time I wanted a Cigerette, I told myself, I am not going to have ONE and vaped and vaped instead.
Something I used, was telling myself That I was not going to have ONE. One is easier to wrap your head around. All the while, I had a pack in the drawer, so I knew that I could if I just couldn't stand myself it was there. Each time I wanted a Cigerette, I told myself, I am not going to have ONE and vaped and vaped instead.
I just didn't understand what you meant. I think my meter just isn't working. I had tried the zeroing screw and that had no effect. Seems easier to pick up the $5.49 one at harbor freight.
DeDee1234: I wouldn't have had that one had I not found the tobacco. I admire that you can have them around and not smoke them. I tied probably 48 mg juice (mix my own - maybe I'll try the 100 mg juice!?! LOL). When I had that first cig after 6 mos. I only took a couple drags and didn't like it. I also had forgotten how to smoke/inhale. But whatever was in them maybe me feel better well after I smoked. But your right, when I first quit, I told myself I was doing whatever it took to not have that one. I also told myself that after spending all this money on vaping supplies I have to quit. I can't afford both! Maybe down the road I'll look at those Kanger tanks, just don't want to invest too much more. Wish I could fast forward 10 years.
DeDee1234: I wouldn't have had that one had I not found the tobacco. I admire that you can have them around and not smoke them. I tied probably 48 mg juice (mix my own - maybe I'll try the 100 mg juice!?! LOL). When I had that first cig after 6 mos. I only took a couple drags and didn't like it. I also had forgotten how to smoke/inhale. But whatever was in them maybe me feel better well after I smoked. But your right, when I first quit, I told myself I was doing whatever it took to not have that one. I also told myself that after spending all this money on vaping supplies I have to quit. I can't afford both! Maybe down the road I'll look at those Kanger tanks, just don't want to invest too much more. Wish I could fast forward 10 years.
This is my situation right now. After almost a year I still have 1 or 2 a day. A pack now lasts me three weeks instead of less than a day. Do I feel guilty about it? Nope!! Its a constant struggle for many of us to vape instead of smoke. Vaping alone, without the slightest personal conviction will not magically overcome your addition to cigs. That is a given. Depression runs in my family also. But sometimes depression can be an excuse to blur the concept of "I Need" vs "I want".
OP, ever see the movie "What About Bob"?? You should watch it. Baby steps!! ...
~ Look at each Cig you don't smoke as a small personal victory. If you really want to quit, DON'T GIVE UP!!. Here is what I do and this is probably not good advice for everyone. You have to muster up at least some will power combined with a device that will satisfy your nic addiction. My average juice is now 18mg but I ALWAYS keep clearos or cartos with 24 - 36mg juice. When I REALLY want a cig. And I still do after almost year! I pick up some high nic juice and vape until the urge passes. I try to keep the nic level in my bod high enough so that even if I break down and have a smoke, it is not that pleasant because I am are on the edge of nic od. You say you want to give up vaping and start smoking again. All I can say is don't do it. Smoke a few cigs if you have to but don't give up... Look at how many folks are responding to your post with encouragement. What more could you ask for. I have left this forum for months but always come back because reading of others struggles and trying to steer noobs in the right direction helps keep me focused... Good Luck and Don't Give up!!Jane, can you take a picture of that multimeter? It might help.
If not, the Harbor Frieght one would do just fine. Don't forget (like I did, it matters at small resistances like this) to first touch the leads to each other to find the resistance of the leads themselves. Subtract that. Or--and this is what I usually do--you can get a reading on a head you know works, and aim for whatever reading that was.
If you're not using clips or anything, press the lead pretty firmly when you make your measurements. You'll see fluctuations when you move around or don't make good contact (again, at such low resistances this just happens). Take a few readings, and go by the lowest "sane" reading you get.
Before long it'll be clearer when you've gotten a good reading. Of course the resistance isn't going to be in the hundreds, you know?
If you can solder, buy a cheap 510 adapter and solder the leads to it and boom: super-simple multimeter measurements from now on. If you want to throw $20 or so at it, they make multimeters with 510 connections just for doing this, too.
With Novas in particular, I shove one lead up the hole on the battery end, and place the other on the threads, and just press it all firmly with my thumbs. It's not pretty and I'm definitely going to solder an adapter like I said above once I find my solder, but it works well enough.
I mentioned using it to detect shorts because if it has a normal resistance, there's no short. Depending on where it happens, a short will either make the resistance 0, or markedly lower than normal. Theoretically you could toss it on a battery with short protection and give it a shot without using the multimeter. If something's wrong, though, it's a lot harder to diagnose. Is it shorting? Too low resistance? A hot spot on the coils? Just the taste of fresh wick?
If not, the Harbor Frieght one would do just fine. Don't forget (like I did, it matters at small resistances like this) to first touch the leads to each other to find the resistance of the leads themselves. Subtract that. Or--and this is what I usually do--you can get a reading on a head you know works, and aim for whatever reading that was.
If you're not using clips or anything, press the lead pretty firmly when you make your measurements. You'll see fluctuations when you move around or don't make good contact (again, at such low resistances this just happens). Take a few readings, and go by the lowest "sane" reading you get.
Before long it'll be clearer when you've gotten a good reading. Of course the resistance isn't going to be in the hundreds, you know?
If you can solder, buy a cheap 510 adapter and solder the leads to it and boom: super-simple multimeter measurements from now on. If you want to throw $20 or so at it, they make multimeters with 510 connections just for doing this, too.
With Novas in particular, I shove one lead up the hole on the battery end, and place the other on the threads, and just press it all firmly with my thumbs. It's not pretty and I'm definitely going to solder an adapter like I said above once I find my solder, but it works well enough.
I mentioned using it to detect shorts because if it has a normal resistance, there's no short. Depending on where it happens, a short will either make the resistance 0, or markedly lower than normal. Theoretically you could toss it on a battery with short protection and give it a shot without using the multimeter. If something's wrong, though, it's a lot harder to diagnose. Is it shorting? Too low resistance? A hot spot on the coils? Just the taste of fresh wick?
This is off-topic, but I just want to say that for a lot of us it did exactly that. It's no consolation for those that do struggle to make the switch, but I'd be lying if I said I tried very hard to make the switch. Nicotine alone seems to be enough for a lot of people. Believe me, if it took very much effort I would have given up.
I don't want people who have trouble leaving analogs to feel like something's wrong with them. Not at all. BUT, I also don't want people to think that switching to vaping universally requires a large amount of personal willpower. Semes it does the trick straight away.
Jane, your first post sounds a lot like a similar post I made a few years ago. Back then wta wasn't available unless you knew Dvap( I do) so I turned to swedish snus. Within ten minutes of trying my first portion, it was like I had been in a dark room and someone turned on the light. After a couple months of not smoking and only vaping I was sinking into depression and knew if I didn't do something that I'd be back to smoking full time very quickly. Some people might think it's gross or not lady like but I've met a few ladies who use it. I only use portions and don't mess around with loose but that's my own choice. I've also got a pretty good background with WTA and can tell you that it's worth a try. I know it seems expensive but I doubt you would need to use it constantly and would most likely vape less. I would just use it when you've got a craving that won't go away. There are several different reduced harm products available. Don't give up. If decide you'd like to try some snus then shoot me a pm.
I would think after 6 mos. I'd have been over the physical addiction. I was to the point of vaping on 0 nic without much trouble. Did this for months. Then I found that tobacco and at first I'd have a few drags and then not smoke for days/weeks. Then started smoking a bit more (1-2 cigs a day) and went back to vaping with nicotine. But the past few weeks I've been smoking more (some days 2 cigs, the past couple days 6- 8) and more in part of my frustration with equipment and the something extra I'd get from the cig. I really don't want to go back to smoking and it would be nice to stop vaping, too. But, I just got that boost from tobacco. I just signed up with our State's Ashline. A counselor is supposed to call me and then send nicotine lozenges tomorrow. I've ordered more supplies and will give vaping one more shot, if I can't rebuild the heads, I'll have to stop vaping just because I can't afford it anymore. I will still try to stop smoking. I am a bit afraid to get re-addicted to the nicotine, unless I already am. The more I think about smoking/vaping the more I want a cigarette. I was to the point of not really thinking it - when equipment was working good. Now I need supplies and have to spend hours researching and I'm thinking about it all the time, thus making me want a cig all the more. It's very frustrating. I think I'm the type that has to go cold turkey, if I have them I'll smoke them. I can't say depression has anything to do with this, all this could be quite normal because I smoked that one cigarette after quitting for 6 mos.
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