Help with Ethyl Maltol Solution

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So, I am chemically challenged. In order to make this juice, what, besides the concoction on the perfumer's apprentice, does one need?

The 8ml bottle of the liquid EM and 2 drops of tobacco Absolute. Get a 2ml bottle of TA here:
Tobacco Absolute

Add two drops TA to the EM liquid, cap and shake under hot running water until mixed. Then try 5 drops of that in 10ml of unflavored ejuice. Adjust for taste.
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The 8ml bottle of the liquid EM and 2 drops of Tobacco Absolute. Get a 2ml bottle of TA here:
Tobacco Absolute

Add two drops TA to the EM liquid, cap and shake under hot running water until mixed. Then try 5 drops of that in 10ml of unflavored ejuice. Adjust for taste.
Dan

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YAY! it works, I took 2 drops of TA and added it to the 8ml EM bottle that Linda sent me. I ran it under hot water while shaking and here are the results:
Looks like a winner!
Dan
 

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YAY! it works, I took 2 drops of TA and added it to the 8ml EM bottle that Linda sent me. I ran it under hot water while shaking and here are the results:
Looks like a winner!
Dan

I'm quessing this well work with any flavor you'd like to add some sweetness too?
 

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It will give any flavor a tobacco taste, But I like in just plain nic juice, BTW this 8ml will make roughly 320ml of flavored ejuice. :)
Dan
Can you use EM without the tabacco in flavored ejuice to sweeten it up. Sorry should have clarified myself in my previous post.
 

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I have the TA here. I just don't want to mess around with "drops", since that is decidedly unprecise. Does anybody have a measure in percent or ml for the TA?

Actual weight of the Ethyl Maltol would be equally appreciated, although I believe in the US "tablespoon" is a clearly defined measurement? If that's right, it ought to roughly do even for me.
 

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I have the TA here. I just don't want to mess around with "drops", since that is decidedly unprecise. Does anybody have a measure in percent or ml for the TA?

Actual weight of the Ethyl Maltol would be equally appreciated, although I believe in the US "tablespoon" is a clearly defined measurement? If that's right, it ought to roughly do even for me.
As I post before I mix the 2.5 ml of EM into 50 ml of pg after that you have to season to test star from one drop of EM in 10 ml of virgin liquid.
the TA is harder to tell
 

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I have the TA here. I just don't want to mess around with "drops", since that is decidedly unprecise. Does anybody have a measure in percent or ml for the TA?

I calculate it would be at least 0.1ml TA to 8ml PGA or EM solution. About 1.25%.

The TA I have is very thick and not easy to measure. The most precise way would be by weight, but you would need a sensitive, accurate scale.
 

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Can you use EM without the tabacco in flavored ejuice to sweeten it up. Sorry should have clarified myself in my previous post.

That's what I'm going to do with it. I think I read somewhere that Dan does that too or was it Splendex...oh well either should work.

I have tasted EM straight and it has a slight camamelish taste but is not sweet. I would stick to sucralose or splendix at www.splendix.net, 1 drop = 600 drops of sugar. I use 1 drop to 10ml in my fruit flavors.
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I have the TA here. I just don't want to mess around with "drops", since that is decidedly unprecise. Does anybody have a measure in percent or ml for the TA?

Actual weight of the Ethyl Maltol would be equally appreciated, although I believe in the US "tablespoon" is a clearly defined measurement? If that's right, it ought to roughly do even for me.

Linda at perfumers apprentice uses 1 gram EM to 9 grams PG in her mix. You would have to weigh two drops to find the grams to do the math. Since I do not have a scale, I use drops. It does not help that the TA is so thick, but boiling a glass of water and imersing the bottle into the now hot water makes it very thin. And the drops are more accurate. That is how I do it.
Dan
 
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I've got to get myself a very precise scale, yet another thing to buy. But they are not prohibitively expensive, around 12-15€ (pretty much the same in Dollars if you order from China). Yeah, well, always wanted to have one anyway. Good thing I now have an excuse. :rolleyes:

I found that the easiest and cheapest way to measure liquids is by simply using a syringe, a very small one with very tiny markings for very small amounts. 0.01ml seems to be the smallest amount one can measure with those. Available on eBay for cents. A laboratry pipette for measurements would be even better, but harder to get and more expensive.

I did some calculating with the standard measures for "drop" and "teaspoon" and came up with this:

2 drops = 0,1ml (with Dan's dropper, 0.05ml)
1/4 tbsp = ~1,25ml (don't like to measure powder by volume, but only thing I can do atm)
add to this ~8,65ml alcohol for pre-mix to get 10ml

Use one drop of that mixture with 1ml of liquid:
1 drop = 0,05ml
1drop : 1ml = 0,5ml : 10ml
(again, half those amounts for Dan's dropper)

I know I have to experiment anyway, but I do like repeatable recipes, and those are just so much simpler with ml and gramm.
 
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