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@ilporcupine - Here's a little hint for drawing higher-VG content liquids into the syringe: If you have a 14ga. (or lower ga.) blunt needle tip on your syringe...just insert the tip into the liquid and pull the plunger up to the desired measurement mark. Don't try to actually pull the VG-based liquid up with it. The liquid will rise up to the level you raised your plunger to. No pulling, tugging, etc. needed at all. :thumbs:
 

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Yep. I just did a quick experiment. Filled up this needle with water, removed it, ejected water from syringe.
Replaced needle (was holding ends closed with 2 fingers). Appears to be about .05ml in the needle.
That is 5percent of 1ml syringe. This is a significant amount if you are dealing with flavors...
 
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@ilporcupine - Here's a little hint for drawing higher-VG content liquids into the syringe: If you have a 14ga. (or lower ga.) blunt needle tip on your syringe...just insert the tip into the liquid and pull the plunger up to the desired measurement mark. Don't try to actually pull the VG-based liquid up with it. The liquid will rise up to the level you raised your plunger to. No pulling, tugging, etc. needed at all. :thumbs:

Hi, JCinFLA, have you tried this with refrigerated VG? I am in IL, and it's Winter here...:) Just about 60F in my house. 10ml syringe will not suck it up at all. 1 ml was SLLLLLLOW. (Which is what started me wondering in the first place.) Wish I had means to take a little video.
 

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Hi, JCinFLA, have you tried this with refrigerated VG? I am in IL, and it's Winter here...:) Just about 60F in my house. 10ml syringe will not suck it up at all. 1 ml was SLLLLLLOW.

I don't refrigerate my plain VG, nor my working bottle of nic base in VG. However, even here in FL we have some low temps in winter...was down to 28 several nights this winter, and quite a few in the low-mid 30's, too. Without my heat on (which I rarely ever use, even then), my house temp. was 60-65 degrees. Had no problems at all measuring out nic base in VG with syringes in 1mL, 3mL, 5mL, and 12mL sizes then either. Since I make some eliquid for several people, who vape from 3mg-18mg, I use a variety of syringe sizes when I make them.
 

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I don't refrigerate my plain VG, nor my working bottle of nic base in VG. However, even here in FL we have some low temps in winter...was down to 28 several nights this winter, and quite a few in the low-mid 30's, too. Without my heat on (which I rarely ever use, even then), my house temp. was 60-65 degrees. Had no problems at all measuring out nic base in VG with syringes in 1mL, 3mL, 5mL, and 12mL sizes then either. Since I make some eliquid for several people, who vape from 3mg-18mg, I use a variety of syringe sizes when I make them.

You know I was kidding, right? I was just riffing off your "in FLA" handle.:)
I don't know why I couldn't suck it at all with the 10ml, but it just wouldnt draw. I just took the needle off, and sucked it out fine. But this was out of a gallon jug, so if it was half empty, would be a balancing act indeed. I swapped the needle for another in case it was plugged, and still no go. Maybe 10 m. leaks air.??
Didn't have another to try.
 

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I moved almost a year ago from 70pg/30vg to 50/50 and even my 12ga needles got sluggish. I think I liked the vapor and flavor best at 70pg and will probably go back in my next DIY session.

At 50/50 I began to think about buying some larger syringes because of the sluggishness of the draw when I extract juice from a dropper bottle to fill a Kayfun. Then, I remembered the flavor boost that higher PG gave me.
 
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You know I was kidding, right? I was just riffing off your "in FLA" handle.:)

Yes, I knew you were. We in FL have gotten used to being razzed about not knowing what cold weather is. But...getting down to 28 in central FL, and having it be in the 30's some mornings until 9-10AM, is pretty cold, for us. I was born in IL and lived there until I was 3, but I don't remember much from that long ago. :)

If your blunt needle tip isn't a 14ga or lower though, that could definitely account for your difficulties drawing it up. Also, some syringes are better quality than others, and you may have gotten one that isn't very air tight. That can also make a difference.
 

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I don't know why I couldn't suck it at all with the 10ml, but it just wouldnt draw. I just took the needle off, and sucked it out fine. But this was out of a gallon jug, so if it was half empty, would be a balancing act indeed. I swapped the needle for another in case it was plugged, and still no go. Maybe 10 m. leaks air.??
Didn't have another to try.
I remember those struggles!:facepalm::D I started out mixing with syringes; and had similar challenges. difficulty drawing, needles and/or syringes that wouldn't reach the liquid I wanted to draw, bad eyes that struggled to read the marks and plunger position with any accuracy and consistency; they all made mixing a pain.

For a while I tried using glass laboratory pipettes and a mechanical pipette pump like this:
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These had an easier draw, and the graduations were a bit easier to read; but they had there own shortcomings. They were more costly. I found them to be uncomfortable (they were long). And I found the inevitable residue that nearly always clung to the inside of the pipette aggravating. They didn't last more than a month or two.

I had heard about measuring by weight for some time, but I was resistant to the idea, mostly due to what I perceived to be arrogance and superiority of some of its proponents. However, I was so frustrated, at how I could not seem to find a simple and efficient manner to mix by volume, that I finally gave in. I found an inexpensive reloading scale at a local sporting goods store that would work and gave it a try. It worked like a charm!

Now, I don't want to derail this thread, by turning it into another "which method is better" argument (that was what turned me off to begin with). I am not saying anything about accuracy or precision. I am only saying that using a scale answered the problem I was having.

The scale was easier to read. I didn't need better light, a specific angle, or a magnifying glass; in order to read it (it was even back-lit). With a small learning curve, satisfied by practicing with tap water first, I could consistently/repetitively pour to +/- a single drop. Which, to my rationale, seemed to be better than I was able to accomplish with syringes or pipettes. I didn't have to worry about reaching the right line (or heaven forbid being between two lines), air bubbles, or cling-ons (in the pipettes). No more tight draws (VG nic went into a small condiment-like bottle and I could still easily pour straight from the fridge).

The scale ended up having too small of a capacity (750 grain which turned out to be equivalent to 48 grams), so I had to buy a second one, but I am satisfied that mixing by weight was the right decision for me.

If you can't get comfortable using syringes; it might be something for you to consider.:)
 

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I moved almost a year ago from 70pg/30vg to 50/50 and even my 12ga needles got sluggish.

If you can find a veterinary supply place nearby, you can get oral syringes. I have 1 ml, 3 ml, 5 ml and 10 ml syringes with no needles and plastic tips - not the luer lock ends you find on most syringes intended for use with needles. They're meant for measuring meds and squirting them into pets' mouths. Actually, I think the 10 ml is meant for kids (human, not goat).

The opening's about 1.5 - 2 mm in diameter, and I find they draw up even cool (but not necessarily cold) VG well enough, while being small enough that straight PG doesn't start dripping out.

I don't know why I couldn't suck it at all with the 10ml, but it just wouldnt draw. I just took the needle off, and sucked it out fine. But this was out of a gallon jug, so if it was half empty, would be a balancing act indeed. I swapped the needle for another in case it was plugged, and still no go. Maybe 10 m. leaks air.??
Didn't have another to try.

Was the syringe older? Stoppers can get harder and/or shrink as they age, making them more likely to leak air. Anyway, oral syringes are what works for me. Whatever works for you is what you should use.:thumbs:
 

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If you can't get comfortable using syringes; it might be something for you to consider.:)
Hi,ID Joel Thanks. I did mention above, in response to someone else, I was doing some small measured amounts in order to get accurate weights of my liquids. This was all about my preparation to mix by weight. It definitely seems to me to be the efficient way for me to make up small batches. I don't yet have a favorite juice, or even a juice type, that I want to make in more than a trial quantity. I don't want to bore everyone with my sad story, but up until now I have been using legacy tootle devices and juice left behind by my GF of 30 years, who passed away from small cell lung cancer 2 years ago. Talk about a quitting incentive! Still took me that long to get in a frame of mind to give them up myself. No way in the present circumstances can I afford to buy premade juice, so DIY is my best hope.
Cig free since mid January. Still fighting it every day. (50 years smoking, sometimes as much as 3 packs/day, mostly less). Cigs are only 2.60 pack in MO, across the river, for the brand I was smoking, so it took a series of crises, culminating with her death, to kick me into action.
 

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Hi,ID Joel Thanks. I did mention above, in response to someone else, I was doing some small measured amounts in order to get accurate weights of my liquids.
I do recall reading that, and for some reason (early stages of senility?;)), it didn't even register. :facepalm: :D Whatever makes mixing less of a chore, and more of a pleasure, is the best way to mix.

My condolences for your loss. That sounds like a brutal way to quit smoking.:( Be proud of yourself for your success, and never give up if you should stumble. Ton't be stingy with your nicotine in the early stages. You can always cut back when you have the gorilla off your back. A bit more nic can make the transition easier on both mind and body.
Here's to you... wishing you continued success, and some calmer waters.:toast:
 

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I do recall reading that, and for some reason (early stages of senility?;)), it didn't even register. :facepalm: :D Whatever makes mixing less of a chore, and more of a pleasure, is the best way to mix.

My condolences for your loss. That sounds like a brutal way to quit smoking.:( Be proud of yourself for your success, and never give up if you should stumble. Ton't be stingy with your nicotine in the early stages. You can always cut back when you have the gorilla off your back. A bit more nic can make the transition easier on both mind and body.
Here's to you... wishing you continued success, and some calmer waters.:toast:

Thanks much! I'm doing pretty well. No cigs since mid-January. I use a good whomp of nic when I need it, and the rest of the time lower. I initially missed my menthol as much as the nic, so first thing I ordered was menthol concentrate.:) YES...
I find the ACT of smoking was as important as the actual smoke itself. It was what I did when I took a break, finished a project, or stage of one, and of course after eating(or during). Every part of your life, when you are a longtime smoker, is so completely intertwined with the physical act of smoking, and it is a darned hard set of habits (not just one) to escape. I have been wondering if this is part of why people take up vaping as a hobby, above and beyond its utility function. Kind of a replacement for those old behaviors. I dunno. It helps to keep you focused on something positive, anyway.
 

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I find the ACT of smoking was as important as the actual smoke itself. It was what I did when I took a break, finished a project, or stage of one, and of course after eating(or during). Every part of your life, when you are a longtime smoker, is so completely intertwined with the physical act of smoking, and it is a darned hard set of habits (not just one) to escape. I have been wondering if this is part of why people take up vaping as a hobby, above and beyond its utility function. Kind of a replacement for those old behaviors. I dunno. It helps to keep you focused on something positive, anyway.
I agree wholeheartedly! I think vaping does a great job as a hand-to-mouth replacement for smoking. We all have our different triggers. For some it is simply the nicotine. For others it is the throat hit. Others still need something more... like WTAs. And many of us it can be any combination of the above.

For me it was chest/lung hit. I could make myself absolutely nauseous using alternate forms of nicotine (chew, patches, lozenges, and gum) and I would still be jonesing for a cigarette. I even tried vaping once briefly in the early days. But, the wimpy vapor production of the cig-a-like was way too weak, and I bailed after only a couple of weeks. It wasn't until someone introduced me to a tank, that I found that thick, almost heavy, warm feeling deep in my lungs, that I stood a chance.

I'm glad you found something that does it for you. If it is keeping you away from the stinkies; you are doing it right!:thumbs:
 

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I actually went about 4 days cold turkey, before I remembered her ecig stash. Kept me from crawling the walls, and gave me something to look forward to, instead of running out for cigarettes. Now I have a pair of "antique" original Tesla 15W VV/VW sticks, courtesy of my brother in AZ, who has been vaping for quite a few years now. So I am experimenting with combos of stuff, and accumulating bits to make juice.
Keeps me busy not smoking, instead of smoking, if you get me...
 

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So I am experimenting with combos of stuff, and accumulating bits to make juice. Keeps me busy not smoking, instead of smoking, if you get me...
Yup. The playing around and experimenting is a wonderful distraction from smoking.
 

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Found this snip from a recent convert. Sums up what I was getting at above.

"I’m still addicted to nicotine and use 6mg nicotine liquid."But the craving for cigarettes is completely replaced by interest in the technical details of vaping – coil building, liquid recipes, additional technical environment ect….I believe that I was lucky to switch so easily, and I wish all people the same"
 

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Yep. I just did a quick experiment. Filled up this needle with water, removed it, ejected water from syringe.
Replaced needle (was holding ends closed with 2 fingers). Appears to be about .05ml in the needle.
That is 5percent of 1ml syringe. This is a significant amount if you are dealing with flavors...
Look at it this way. The plunger is calibrated to the barrel of the syringe. Below the plunger, there is the tapered part where it connects to the needle, and the needle itself. This "below the plunger" area holds "some amount" of liquid. When you pull the plunger up to the .5 mark, then it has .5 ml plus "some amount" in the lower section. Then when you depress the plunger, you expel the 5ml, but there is still "some amount" (the same "some amount") in the lower section, as there was before. Yes it's there, yes if you count the syringe as a whole it contains "more" than the .5ml but when you dispense, you're still only dispensing .5. What happens in the needle, stays in the needle. If you suck up some air back into it and plunge it again, you'll spit out that excess. Just don't do that, and it won't be a problem.
 
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