HOHM Wrecker 151W TC ?

[Wingsfan0310]

I posted a TCR chart earlier in this thread. As you probably know their TCR's vary quite a bit. I think the most widely used SS is 316L but it's also one of the lowest TCR (.00092). Probably the brand most people use is UD 316L. I've been using SS430 from Unkamen Supplies. It has one of the highest TCR's for SS at .00138. It's easier to get better results in most mods because of the higher TCR. Hope that helps at least a little.

Cheers,
Steve

Edit Here's the chart if you are interested:

 

[f1vefour]

I also use SS430 from unkamen. I should have the device tomorrow and can do a seat of the pants comparison but don't have a probe.

316L is the wire most commonly found in prebuilt coils.

If you don't already use SS there isn't really any reason to purchase any, other than the fact that it's great wire for TC and standard wattage/voltage alike.

 

[Can I Bum One]

Alright, I guess it's time to let out the secret on TC Kanthal. FSK = Flag Ship Killer mode people.....

Now, in my opinion the reason you have to "fine tune" the mod in tc mode is..... You are really adjusting temp settings for the device. If you watch Phils video you will notice he couldn't find different temps when he changed settings.

I can set my evic-VTC mini in Nickel TC with an actual kanthal coil in and adjust the temp to not burn my cotton while still heating up my e-juice. That doesn't make it Kanthal Temperature Control.

If you guys honestly think this is the company that will be the leaders for innovation, I got a bridge to sell you...

 

[f1vefour]

I have a bridge to sell you..nice. You are angry because you have a device that doesn't work correctly and are simply out bad mouth this company because of it. You don't even have a G2, you opinion of it is based solely on what?

You see 350ZMO using a temperature probe on the device in real-time, it was temp limiting kanthal albeit inaccurate. So temperature control..yes. Accurate temperature control..no.

You have no more argument, it works. How well depends on a bunch of fidgeting but it still works.

Phil was using a hot atomizer on and off the device causing resistance fluctuations, watch video again and you will see he really had no idea what he was doing. It didn't work the way he thought it should so he gave his opinion based on that. Nothing too wrong with doing so but I have a feeling since he is an honest guy he may do another video or vlog post backtracking a bit. His opinion is nothing more than an opinion based on his experience.

 

[350ZMO]

I know everyone is on the topic of Kanthal, but did any of you that have the mod have issues with the mod not firing sometimes? I have the previous version and like Phil, mod doesn't fire sometimes and shows 0v. I honestly wish that I didn't see the mod on sale for half price at the time. I hate supporting companies that hurt our image.

Do you guys honestly believe you will be using the tc after the honeymoon phase? It doesn't seem like it actually does tc with kanthal, more like, maybe not burn my cotton mode. I will need to see temp charts showing actual tc.

Last question, did you buy the 40 Amp batteries that they make? Here are the specs on these bad boys.

"Built specifically for vapers and the vape industry at heart... We emphasized on safety while using battery steriods. TIRED OF REWRAPS? So are we. Hohm Tech cells have a unique authenticity code.

The only time it didn't fire for me was when it shouldn't have. Ok lemme explain that. Once I had the FSK and temperature setting dialed in, lowering the temp and it goes zero. Raise the temp and it goes non-zero applying power to the atty and produces vapor. Also when the wick gets dry, it backs off power to 0 like it should.

I understand and agree about hurting our image...but I don't think this does. It has limitations as everything does and we need a lot more testing and certainly development to be definitive. My first clearo and EGO that went through cartridges every other day did more to hurt the vaping image than this does.

Possibly. If the limiting can be trusted then it certainly makes it into my daily vape. Is it a replacement for my DNA200s? Not even close but who knows maybe future SW builds will add the csv functionality. I think of it as a compliment to the mod arsenal. And if it actually becomes temperature control with Kanthal well now...maybe more than a compliment. As all my atties work good with Kanthal, just maybe not TCR materials.

Yes I did. I haven't made a battery test rig and won't as there are plenty of people doing that but I wanted Hohm tech in Hohm tech. So not much I can say other than they work in the G2 Wrecker.

 

[f1vefour]

The CSV feature of the DNA200 is definitely the killer software feature, that and the adjustable initial boost.

I just don't have time to use the PC to setup my device, I was going to get one and tie in Bluetooth so I could send CSV over the air but apparently this isn't possible so I changed my mind. Very few features of the DNA200 can be controlled over serial.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

I'm not trying to hijack the thread @f1vefour. Just letting you know Evolv recently released a firmware update. The DNA200 now has a material tab where you can load in any material you think you might ever use. You then can choose any 1 of them for your 8 preset slots on the fly (no PC needed). It also has Ti01 and I believe SS316 pre-loaded. I won't mention the DNA200 here again. I just wasn't sure if you were aware of it. Again I'm not trying to hijack and if this post offends anyone I will be happy to delete it. No hard feelings, just let me know!

Cheers,
Steve

 

[AtmizrOpin]

i'm trying to hit these guys up for a free board to play with. they can keep the ugly box, i just want to play around with, then dissect the board.

 

[edyle]

there's

VV Variable Voltage
VW Variable Wattage
VT Variable Temperature

Makes sense to refer to mods using nickel etcetera as Variable Temperature.

Being able to keep temperature under some control with kanthal is reasonable to describe as temperature control.

 

[f1vefour]

I just wasn't sure if you were aware of it. Again I'm not trying to hijack and if this post offends anyone I will be happy to delete it. No hard feelings, just let me know!

Cheers,
Steve

I didn't know that, well I guess I should have kept paying attention to updates. Thanks.

 

[jstrong]

I know everyone is on the topic of Kanthal, but did any of you that have the mod have issues with the mod not firing sometimes? I have the previous version and like Phil, mod doesn't fire sometimes and shows 0v. I honestly wish that I didn't see the mod on sale for half price at the time. I hate supporting companies that hurt our image.

Do you guys honestly believe you will be using the tc after the honeymoon phase? It doesn't seem like it actually does tc with kanthal, more like, maybe not burn my cotton mode. I will need to see temp charts showing actual tc.

Last question, did you buy the 40 Amp batteries that they make? Here are the specs on these bad boys.

"Built specifically for vapers and the vape industry at heart... We emphasized on safety while using battery steriods. TIRED OF REWRAPS? So are we. Hohm Tech cells have a unique authenticity code.

Step 1] Started with the tried and true LG H Series battery chemistry

Step 2] Collaboration & guidance from the source of it all, IC (aka: Indonesia Chemistry)

Step 3] Lowered internal resistance by a multitude of various internal modifications(used UHPAI for cathode tag, shortened cathode tag, among other mods)

Step 4] After 1000’s of trials and tests, we zero’d in on the perfect combination of what we call PPLS (Price, Power, Longevity, & Safety)

Step 5] Expanded our safety efforts by placing EPTC rings in each and every battery as well as integrated updated Poly Seals."

@Mooch tested these batteries and they are only 20A. There are no 40A batteries available

 

[f1vefour]

They also don't exactly match the HG2 which means they aren't simply rewraps.

 

[Tim Jenson]

Did you watch the same video that I did? Watch from 42:30 to 50:20 and come back and tell me Phil is wrong.. lol

The temp algorithm is completely new it doesn't work that way you have to actually have to suck or blow on it, to get the temp mode to kick in. Phil is assuming that it works the same as other temp control mods. Watch Twisted 420 on youtube and you'll see what I mean. Besides, he got a prototype

 

[f1vefour]

The temp algorithm is completely new it doesn't work that way you have to actually have to suck or blow on it, to get the temp mode to kick in. Phil is assuming that it works the same as other temp control mods. Watch Twisted 420 on youtube and you'll see what I mean. Besides, he got a prototype

There is no point arguing with him, he has his opinion which I speculate is purely based on the fact he has an original Hohm Wrecker that has a faulty connection or some similar problem.

I may would be the same way but only after I contacted the manufacturer for a resolution and they offer none and blow me off. Which of course may have happened but I doubt it.

I will post up my thoughts once I have had a few days with the mod, good and bad.

I already think they should change the on/off to five clicks of the power button, and instead of pressing the function + up/down buttons to get into the menu you simply click the function button three times or hold it down.

 

[f1vefour]

You will also see a lot of hatred from DNA200 owners because their device can't temp control/limit kanthal (I've already seen this).

Just the way it is, you will probably see G2 owners hate on the DNA200 because the G2 doesn't support CSV. Now keep in mind they won't say this, they will just hate on the device and make comments about how this or that is worse than this or that on x or y device.

I don't care either way, hate a device while touting another just don't spread false information. That just makes one look foolish.

 

[Can I Bum One]

The temp algorithm is completely new it doesn't work that way you have to actually have to suck or blow on it, to get the temp mode to kick in.

I'm confused, you are saying that someone would need to move air on their coil to fire the mod? So you are saying that the mod will not fire until I blow air? Phil and Twisted didn't get the mods at the same time?

There is no point arguing with him, he has his opinion which I speculate is purely based on the fact he has an original Hohm Wrecker that has a faulty connection or some similar problem.

You are correct, I apologize for coming off like an ..... I got tired of the shill review comments left on Phils channel and it left a bad taste in my mouth.

You have no more argument, it works. How well depends on a bunch of fidgeting but it still works.

Phil was using a hot atomizer on and off the device causing resistance fluctuations, watch video again and you will see he really had no idea what he was doing. It didn't work the way he thought it should so he gave his opinion based on that. Nothing too wrong with doing so but I have a feeling since he is an honest guy he may do another video or vlog post backtracking a bit. His opinion is nothing more than an opinion based on his experience.

Does it really work though? I can limit temperature on kanthal with any TC device you give me. That shouldn't give me the right to sell the mod as Kanthal TC, right?

I think you are assuming that Phil tests mods like most of the other reviewers out there. If you watch the part before the cotton burning, you will see he did get everything dialed in, twice actually. He goes on to tell you that it doesn't really do tc and shows an oscilloscope reading of him blowing on the coil and nothing happening. The only mistake Phil made was putting the cotton test at the end because that's all anyone looks at. He didn't even bother putting the cotton tests in the actual review, because he figured you guys got the idea with the first half.

Something about this company rubs me the wrong way and my faulty mod is not the only reason (obvious shill employees/owners posting for them on comments while the owner acts innocent, made up technology names, silly XXX lingo, claiming 40a batteries, offering refunds on devices to post positive reviews, etc).

If you guys are happy with your mods, that's great and I am sorry for the way I spoke out, I don't care what mod you guys want to use as long as it helps us stay away from the stinks.

The only time it didn't fire for me was when it shouldn't have. Ok lemme explain that. Once I had the FSK and temperature setting dialed in, lowering the temp and it goes zero. Raise the temp and it goes non-zero applying power to the atty and produces vapor. Also when the wick gets dry, it backs off power to 0 like it should.

Thanks for the reply,

Have you tried doing the same thing with a mod in SS mode? What I mean is, take a kanthal build, adjust the temp in SS mode so the mod doesn't burn the cotton, but still produces vapor? To me, I don't see the difference, if the TC is not accurate you could do the same things with all the other mods you have.

 

[f1vefour]

@Can I Burn One

Thank you for coming back and posting that.

Did you reach out to hohm tech for a resolution with your issue? Was it after 90 days? I ask because I want to know if they honor the warranty and offer paid repairs after the warranty expires like ProVape does.

I know how Phil does his reviews but he isn't an electrical engineer, 350ZMO is a retired EE. I will take his findings over Phil's.

Phil gave it a fair shake but I shall judge for myself, this is what everyone should do. Reviewers can only give their opinion, and their opinion is not going to be the same as yours. I only watch reviews to see the devices and menu functionality. It's like juice reviews, IMO they are totally useless and a waste of time unless you find a reviewer that has similar tastes as you. Still a crap shoot though.

Like I said I don't care if TC for kanthal works, I use SS. If I were inclined I would even make a negative review video if the device doesn't perform correctly for myself. The only inclination I have to make a video is of course getting my money back, but I wouldn't make a video unless I agree that it works. If I get my money back I can parlay that to get a VT200 as well.

 

[Tim Jenson]

I'm confused, you are saying that someone would need to move air on their coil to fire the mod? So you are saying that the mod will not fire until I blow air? Phil and Twisted didn't get the mods at the same time?




You are correct, I apologies for coming off like an ..... I got tired of the shill review comments left on Phils channel and it left a bad taste in my mouth.



Does it really work though? I can limit temperature on kanthal with any TC device you give me. That shouldn't give me the right to sell the mod as Kanthal TC, right?

I think you are assuming that Phil tests mods like most of the other reviewers out there. If you watch the part before the cotton burning, you will see he did get everything dialed in, twice actually. He goes on to tell you that it doesn't really do tc and shows an oscilloscope reading of him blowing on the coil and nothing happening. The only mistake Phil made was putting the cotton test at the end because that's all anyone looks at. He didn't even bother putting the cotton tests in the actual review, because he figured you guys got the idea with the first half.

Something about this company rubs me the wrong way and my faulty mod is not the only reason (obvious shill employees/owners posting for them on comments while the owner acts innocent, made up technology names, silly XXX lingo, claiming 40a batteries, offering refunds on devices to post positive reviews, etc).

If you guys are happy with your mods, that's great and I am sorry for the way I spoke out, I don't care what mod you guys want to use as long as it helps us stay away from the stinks.



Thanks for the reply,

Have you tried doing the same thing with a mod in SS mode? What I mean is, take a kanthal build, adjust the temp in SS mode so the mod doesn't burn the cotton, but still produces vapor? To me, I don't see the difference, if the TC is not accurate you could do the same things with all the other mods you have.

I can't answer any of your questions as I don't have one. I am in the process of deciding. No hard feelings here. We make our own choices and have to live with them. In the mean time Vape On!

 

[Tim Jenson]

You will also see a lot of hatred from DNA200 owners because their device can't temp control/limit kanthal (I've already seen this).

Just the way it is, you will probably see G2 owners hate on the DNA200 because the G2 doesn't support CSV. Now keep in mind they won't say this, they will just hate on the device and make comments about how this or that is worse than this or that on x or y device.

I don't care either way, hate a device while touting another just don't spread false information. That just makes one look foolish.

Thanks for the advice. I'm still in the process of making the decision to buy one or not. I'd love to get an update when you get yours.

 

[Can I Bum One]

Thank you for coming back and posting that.

Did you reach out to hohm tech for a resolution with your issue? Was it after 90 days? I ask because I want to know if they honor the warranty and offer paid repairs after the warranty expires like ProVape does.

I know how Phil does his reviews but he isn't an electrical engineer, 350ZMO is a retired EE. I will take his findings over Phil's.

Funny story about that actually... lol
One of the vendors online apparently put the first mod for sale at $80.50 and Hohm Tech started threatening a law suit. ehhh here's the post on reddit, it's actually an entertaining read if you are interested. Let's just say I bought mine for a million dollars with a discount..=D
Apology • /r/electronic_cigarette

I thought about calling or contacting them, but I figured it would be more trouble when I don't really use the mod anyways. It's big and it's a box if you have not noticed lol. I have big hands, but nothing about that mod is comfortable for me.

I watched 350's video and it only proved to me that the device could stop kanthal from burning. I could post a video with my evic-vtc in SS mode dry burning a kanthal coil with cotton in it and not burn it. That doesn't really prove anything to me, but I guess we have different ideas of what tc really offers.

Same here, I use SS and have no reason to use Kanthal besides my few mods that don't have SS temperature control. I just try to do my part by giving my opinion on a company/product that I feel is being dishonest. Somehow, I directed that anger towards some of you.. lol

I can't answer any of your questions as I don't have one. I am in the process of deciding. No hard feelings here. We make our own choices and have to live with them. In the mean time Vape On!

I wouldn't recommend! lol
Let's say kanthal TC works perfectly, the box like shape would be a no go for many. I didn't think it was a big deal when I ordered mine because I never had a mod that big. After using my IPV D2 and Evic-vtc, no way am I going back to anything that big and uncomfortable. I agree and you do the same!