Just heard about 10 minutes ago on the radio that our local County owned hospital has banned the use of cigarettes, chewing tobacco, snuff, and E-Cigarettes within a 3 block radius of any building on their campus including in private cars with the windows rolled up. This hospital has been around for over 100 years and has a big campus but all the streets that run through it are city/county owned public thorughfairs. Good luck on enforcing this one.
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LOL! You could take a few toots off a pv in the hospital admin's offices and they'd never know. I'm sure vapers are gonna go to the bathrooms if they need to vape.
Wonder how they would handle a class action lawsuit on this matter.
I'm pretty sure the fine print probably reads - Employees Prohibited. Still if off property it is still absurd.
I'm pretty sure the fine print probably reads - Employees Prohibited. Still if off property it is still absurd.
wow. and to think medicare finds vaping an acceptable smoking cessasion and will alow transplant receipiants to vape.
If they own that "three block radius" it's their property ... their rules.
Now if that 100 year old hospital does not atomize propylene glycol (major component of e-cig vapor) into their ventilation system, just breathing inside one of their buildings is more dangerous than vaping.
Now if that 100 year old hospital does not atomize propylene glycol (major component of e-cig vapor) into their ventilation system, just breathing inside one of their buildings is more dangerous than vaping.
THREE blocks! Great Caesar's ghost! Can they even enforce that? What would they "do to" you if you were walking along three blocks away and vaping? How would they even catch you? I'm sure they don't have hospital workers patrolling a three-block radius.
That just seems outrageous to me.
That just seems outrageous to me.
Yes, I suppose if the hospital grounds are three blocks long...
But what hospital has three blocks worth of grounds???
Also, if you were ON the grounds you'd know it...right? There would be signs, etc. This just all isn't computing, for me.
Lots of larger medical centers have incredible sprawl, especially those that are associated with universities or that are a old-school "city hospital".
The thing is that the roads and sidewalks are not private property. A hospital can't enforce such a policy if someone is on a public thoroughfare, unless the city/county itself has written a code or ordinance to cover those public areas. In which case, it wouldn't be the hospital enforcing the ordinance, it would be the law enforcement agency for that locale.
But a "radius"? That, to me, seems to imply that they are somehow trying to extend their policy beyond their actual boundaries (like no adult themed businesses within a certain distance from a school) and that (again) would be an ordinance to be enforced by their law enforcement.
They're just asking for a lawsuit IMO.
This is what makes government agencies and the people who work for them, like this hospital, look like a bunch of idiots. The three block radius of "all" buildings would be mostly private property. There is no city ordinance against smoking, vaping or anything else on public roads or sidewalks. This place loses millions of dollars every year of taxpayer money and change CEO's just about every year. I think that they lost 8 million last year. The main road that runs through the hospital campus is the same road that probably 10,000 people use every day going to and from work. The hospital does have its on Police force but think "Campus Cops".
This is about as stupid as a "Fortune 500" employer that I worked for (2000-2005) that went from having probably 20 designated smoking areas to a policy that if tobacco of any kind was visible in your private car in their parking lot , you would be terminated. I left a pack of analogs laying on my console for a year and nothing was ever said. I was glad when my contract job completed.
This is about as stupid as a "Fortune 500" employer that I worked for (2000-2005) that went from having probably 20 designated smoking areas to a policy that if tobacco of any kind was visible in your private car in their parking lot , you would be terminated. I left a pack of analogs laying on my console for a year and nothing was ever said. I was glad when my contract job completed.
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I don't understand how they can ban people from vaping in their own cars with the windows rolled up.
But I bet they allow patches, pills and gum. In fact, hospitals sometimes give them to patients for free. We don't have to wonder who's behind this.
I visited a friend who was in a hospital in Atlanta and there was a sign as you pulled into the parking garage (the only place to park) that smoking was prohibited even in personal autos
Yeah, well smoking you come out of the car smelling ghastly but vaping you don't and it dissipates quickly, unlike smoke. Heck, stealth vaping no one would even know, really, although I'd probably just go in a restroom for that.
This is off topic but I have never tried unflavored juice. If it is nothing but pg,vg, and nic does the vape have an odor?
Ha, I'd be SO performing civil disobedience due to that rule. Words can't describe how I feel about that.
And just to be clear, I would NOT be stealth vaping, I'd be doing it in full view of everyone but NOT on their property. We can't allow rules like this to be enforced, how far will they take it? Remember what they did with smoking and restaurants, then bars? It's about increments and we can't give in.
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Nicotine is also a flavor, but I doubt that many would ever smell it.
They can't. But over-zealous functionaries do enjoy trying to convince the public that they have more power than they do.
EDIT: The saddest thing is that inevitably the burden will fall on the poor low-paid schlubs working security at the hospital. Any time one of the higher ups wants to give a security guard a hard time, he can simply point at all of the smokers passing by, perfectly within their rights -- in cars or across the street from the hospital's grounds -- and exclaim, "Why are you just standing there? You should be enforcing our policies!!!"
That's the real problem with unreasonable policies. They put you in a position where you're always fighting against an insulating layer of underlings who have nothing to do with creating the policy, and in some cases may even agree that it sucks.
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Ballz......
Those hospital admins are growing to big for their britches under this Obamacare. They can't enforce that!!
Those hospital admins are growing to big for their britches under this Obamacare. They can't enforce that!!
I just heard the report again and the exact wording was "the ban would include property on and around hospital property". This is going to be interesting. I will bet it "dies on the vine" and by tomorrow it will be old news. The only people who will abide by it are hospital employees who are already in fear of losing their jobs.
Please keep us posted on how that is working out for them. 
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