Hospital Smoking Ban

[Sikkrich]

Don't be silly. Old ladies can't afford Obsession. They use Lady Vanderbilt that their grandchildren buy them from the local drugstore at Christmastime.

Thanks to you I can't afford anything. Your earlier thread brought me to the hypertank and I bought a many. Needed them to go with my provari that just shipped,many atomizers,drip tips,e juice galore. Thanks!! Just kidding I was buying all that stuff anyways. Except the tanks until you pointed them out.

 

[tj99959]

This was a Hillary decision by the Feds. If the hospital is getting Fed funds for a cardio center for instance, then it has to comply with Hillary's dictates.

5 Bucks says the admins at that hospital are Tea Party zealots.

 

[Chas F.]

Upon first reading this I figured it was a policy put in place to discourage employees from smoking, as I have heard of this in other businesses as well. If they make it impossible for their employees to smoke, maybe they'll quit, and insurance costs will go down.

A hospital here has stated that it will not hire smokers.

I am quite a conservative but seriously this whole thing screams violation of civil rights and discrimination.

I am not one to say that I should be able to make huge vapor clouds anywhere and everywhere. But seriously, in my own car? Is that even legal?

And if you think it's going to stop at smoking...good luck. Obesity is pretty dang costly too. I wonder how they would defend a suit from a former employee that got fired for smoking.

Your Honor, we fired him because he smokes and has increased health care costs.

Your Honor, that is discrimination because they don't fire all employees that have increased health care costs: Diabetes, cancer, skydiving, motocross racing etc.

Like I said above, where does it stop?

 

[Recon Number 54]

Did anyone pick up on this statement in the newspaper article:

Tobacco products include, but are not limited to, cigarettes, cigars, chewing tobacco, snuff, pipes and any device designed to transmit or convey tobacco smoke (e.g. electronic cigarettes) or related inhalant.

I didn't know my PV "transmitted or conveyed" tobacco smoke.

They're covering their backside with the term "or related inhalant".

In other words, from their POV...

1) tobacco causes disease
2) tobacco contains nicotine
3) therefor, nicotine causes disease

Of course, I can use similar logic.

1) God is Love
2) Love is blind
3) Ray Charles was blind
4) Therefor, Ray Charles was God.

 

[jpargana]

I don't understand how they can ban people from vaping in their own cars with the windows rolled up.

^^^^^^

This.


On a second thought, should they even be allowed to ban people from smoking in their own cars with the windows rolled up ??

Their property, their rules (Except that '3 block radius' is probably not their property, anyway...)

By the same reasoning, 'MY property, MY rules'...

 

[ut1205]

^^^^^^

This.


On a second thought, should they even be allowed to ban people from smoking in their own cars with the windows rolled up ??

Their property, their rules (Except that '3 block radius' is probably not their property, anyway...)

By the same reasoning, 'MY property, MY rules'...

If that were true then restaurants and bar owners would be able to decide to allow smoking or vaping in their establishments. Around here, in an establishment where food is served (excluding bar snacks) or where anyone under 21 is allowed they are prohibited from allowing smoking regardless of what the owner wants.

 

[mare ze dotes]

I suspect that this is aimed at the employees and visitors. My hospital did the same thing. No smoking anywere, not in your own car if it was in the lot. What happend was that the employees ( me included at that time) would go across the street to smoke in front of the private homes, which ...... them off. (would me too if I lived there) So we could not be with in sight of the building.

 

[CommaHolly]

I am quite a conservative but seriously this whole thing screams violation of civil rights and discrimination.

I am not one to say that I should be able to make huge vapor clouds anywhere and everywhere. But seriously, in my own car? Is that even legal?

I'm a LIBERAL and I think it screams violation of civil rights,,,,,,,,,ridiculous.

 

[JMarca]

I can't say I disagree with them on this one, they're just covering their back sides.

All it takes is one asthmatic patient to catch someone vaping nearby and say they're having chest pains. It opens up a can of woop ... for hospital administrators and class action lawsuits. We all know it's completely bogus but good luck fighting that in court.

That said, anything outside of their property they can kiss my behind.

 

[ut1205]

Sad to say that I am old enough to remember when "Trial Lawyers" were people you saw while watching Perry Mason on TV, attorneys thought it was unethical to advertise and didn't do it, and personal injury attorneys were called "Ambulance Chasers" and were despised by their peers.

 

[Caridwen]

I can't say I disagree with them on this one, they're just covering their back sides.

All it takes is one asthmatic patient to catch someone vaping nearby and say they're having chest pains. It opens up a can of woop ... for hospital administrators and class action lawsuits. We all know it's completely bogus but good luck fighting that in court.

That said, anything outside of their property they can kiss my behind.

Yea, I got sick of walking over all of those asthmatic bodies that littered the streets when more people smoked.

We're talking about outside. I imagine car/bus fumes would be worse than walking past someone unless you're shotgunning the vape.

 

[JMarca]

Yea, I got sick of walking over all of those asthmatic bodies that littered the streets when more people smoked.

We're talking about outside. I imagine car/bus fumes would be worse than walking past someone vaping shotgunning the vape.

Well outside is relative, outside of their property line they really can't do much, but outside the hospital where in-patients roam is another matter. It's really up to them to decide as long as it's their property. But I'll stand firmly outside of their property line I could care less what they think.

 

[Claudia P]

Believe me around here they don't care whether what they do is legal or constitutional or not. That article is worded in such a way that they can even (in their minds) go across county lines with their ban, since there are affiliate offices and campuses everywhere, it could be stretched by them to include the office of any doctor with hospital privileges. Almost everyone is a Tea Party Conservative here and in some places it's not healthy to mention you might be otherwise. I have spent time at this hospital with relatives over the years and I would never recommend it to anyone, other than possibly their children's hospital. The average wait time in their ER is over 16 hours and they tell you when you go to the desk to ask for help that you can expect to wait at least 12 hours before being seen. Their commercials talk as if they are a top rated hospital, then the news talks about even more budget cuts for them and more layoffs. The last time I was there they were grossly understaffed. If I were being transported to a hospital I would insist it be anywhere but Erlanger, staying home might be better.

 

[Recon Number 54]

We're talking about outside. I imagine car/bus fumes would be worse than walking past someone vaping shotgunning the vape.

Until "they" do something about the air outside of the typical ER (where Fire/Rescue vehicles and ambulances are left idling and spewing out cubic meters of diesel fumes non-stop).... I call shenanigans.

Just the quick trip on a stretcher from an ambulance to the ER exposes patients to more toxic air/fumes/substances than if they had left the patient sitting at the "designated smoking area" all day long.

 

[Ref Minor]

Ballz......

Those hospital admins are growing to big for their britches under this Obamacare. They can't enforce that!!

I am in the UK with our Commie universally free National Health Service and I recently vaped happily in front of doctors in my hospital bed after an operation.

 

[Recon Number 54]

I am in the UK with our Commie universally free National Health Service and I recently vaped happily in front of doctors in my hospital bed after an operation.

With or without a Guy Fawkes mask?

 

[ut1205]

Believe me around here they don't care whether what they do is legal or constitutional or not. That article is worded in such a way that they can even (in their minds) go across county lines with their ban, since there are affiliate offices and campuses everywhere, it could be stretched by them to include the office of any doctor with hospital privileges. Almost everyone is a Tea Party Conservative here and in some places it's not healthy to mention you might be otherwise. I have spent time at this hospital with relatives over the years and I would never recommend it to anyone, other than possibly their children's hospital. The average wait time in their ER is over 16 hours and they tell you when you go to the desk to ask for help that you can expect to wait at least 12 hours before being seen. Their commercials talk as if they are a top rated hospital, then the news talks about even more budget cuts for them and more layoffs. The last time I was there they were grossly understaffed. If I were being transported to a hospital I would insist it be anywhere but Erlanger, staying home might be better.

That is a true statement but one would never believe it based on the way our two Senators vote!

 

[jpargana]

If that were true then restaurants and bar owners would be able to decide to allow smoking or vaping in their establishments. Around here, in an establishment where food is served (excluding bar snacks) or where anyone under 21 is allowed they are prohibited from allowing smoking regardless of what the owner wants.

Quite so. This anti-smoking, ANTZ thing has become so mainstream that it seems 'My property, my rules' actually only apply when 'the rules' are the 'right' ones...

On one hand, it is acceptable to rule 'no-smoking' in my property, and also in private property belonging to others (The car example)

On the other hand, it is not acceptable to rule 'smoking allowed' in my property, only... go figure...

Here in Portugal, the situation is still different, fortunately... if the establishment is larger than 100 square meters, the owner may create a separate smoking area inside. (No more than 30 per cent of the total area). Smaller than 100 square meters, space division is considered unpractical, so the owner can actually choose if the entire establishment will be smoking or no-smoking. Either way (separate area or complete establishment ), smoking status may be revoked by authorities if minimum standards of air quality are not achieved (by lack of air extraction/filtering equipment, for instance). So, usually the owner only has to consider if the investment in said equipment will be justified. Usually, yes: Maybe only around 30 per cent of the general population smokes, but that percentage can easily rise to 60-70 per cent if you consider only the group of people who usually go to cafes/bars.

So, I believe our system is still a balanced one. For how long, I cannot imagine...

 

[FlamingoTutu]

I can't say I disagree with them on this one, they're just covering their back sides.

All it takes is one asthmatic patient to catch someone vaping nearby and say they're having chest pains. It opens up a can of woop ... for hospital administrators and class action lawsuits. We all know it's completely bogus but good luck fighting that in court.

That said, anything outside of their property they can kiss my behind.

I have allergy induced asthma. Guess what’s in my inhaler? Are they going to ban me from using that within three blocks of their hospital?

Are grieving relatives of seriously injured or sick patients expected to run three blocks for a puff? How about the parents of a dying child? They have to drive a 1/4 mile for a fortifying vape? Are they going to ban them from the hospital if they run outside, have a good cry and a vape? Since when did hospitals become such heartless bast...?

 

[balwin]

I am in the UK with our Commie universally free National Health Service and I recently vaped happily in front of doctors in my hospital bed after an operation.

In Garmish Partenkirchen Germany I was hospitalized for 6 days. My room had a lovely smoking balcony with a view of the mountains above and a beautiful garden that happened to be a beer garden below. You could buy cigarettes, beer and wine at the gift shop downstairs. Had I been a vaper at the time, I suspect I would not even have needed to sit on the balcony! I spent a large portion of my stay peacefully on the balcony with a pot of the best strawberry/raspberry tea smoking and enjoying the view and the mountain air.