If I lived within three blocks of that hospital, I'd send them the bill for my property taxes and/or mortgage and/or rent.
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If I lived within three blocks of that hospital, I'd send them the bill for my property taxes and/or mortgage and/or rent.
More 'feel good' policy and regulation. I've read that some hospital will not hire smokers. I've heard that if you even smell of smoke, you could be fired because it's objectionable to patients. Well, so are employees with bad breath, body odor, and smell of noxious perfumes. I say they be forbidden to eat any food that can cause bad breath. Obese employees don't present a 'good' healthy image either. Don't hire them...and that includes doctors and administrators. There should only be employees who don't smoke, are a perfect weight, only eat foods that are totally odorless and they can only use unscented, hypoallergenic products on their body.
I don't have a problem with smoking bans inside buildings and 25 feet away. But telling me I can't smoke in my car, public streets and outdoor areas are over and beyond, but it's always so much easier to be self righteous about things that you are not affected by.
I don't have a problem with smoking bans inside buildings and 25 feet away. But telling me I can't smoke in my car, public streets and outdoor areas are over and beyond, but it's always so much easier to be self righteous about things that you are not affected by.
I use 25/75 unflavored at times. No smell at all. Taste is hard to explain. just a tinge of it. No one can smell my home brews anyway... cept the vanilla... oh and honey... my kids say it smells like peepee. (my kids words)
It is beyond me how they can enforce a 3 block ban unless they own it.
You got a link to anything on it? Am curious to read up on it.
my doctor's office has this same sign on their premesis,,,,,,,,and it includes ALL TOBACCO products.
I just vape happily,,,,,,,I mean, I don't even vape nicotine, so I don't know how they can do anything about it,,,,,,,but it still pisses me off to be told what to do in my own car.
So I'm still wondering...what would the authorities (not sure whom this would be - the establishment/hospital? The police?) do if they caught you vaping within those three blocks?
Is there a charge for this? Do you owe a fine? Are you just asked to leave? What exactly happens?
Is there a charge for this? Do you owe a fine? Are you just asked to leave? What exactly happens?
I think it was just announced around noon today. If I can find a link to it I will post it.
I'm sure there will be no predetermined "punishments" listed since they are probably already aware of their inability to enforce this (as its currently stated).
This was a Hillary decision by the Feds. If the hospital is getting Fed funds for a cardio center for instance, then it has to comply with Hillary's dictates.
Here is the first link that I've found:
Erlanger Health System to go smoke-free | timesfreepress.com
Erlanger Health System to go smoke-free | timesfreepress.com
If it is just a "hospital policy" it is unenforceable on anyone other than employees. Visitors and the public would only be "asked to stop or leave".
But if it was passed by the municipality/county as an ordinance, then it would/could be like a parking violation. You could be issued a ticket and/or summons.
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Upon first reading this I figured it was a policy put in place to discourage employees from smoking, as I have heard of this in other businesses as well. If they make it impossible for their employees to smoke, maybe they'll quit, and insurance costs will go down.
A hospital here has stated that it will not hire smokers.
I am quite a conservative but seriously this whole thing screams violation of civil rights and discrimination.
I am not one to say that I should be able to make huge vapor clouds anywhere and everywhere. But seriously, in my own car? Is that even legal?
A hospital here has stated that it will not hire smokers.
I am quite a conservative but seriously this whole thing screams violation of civil rights and discrimination.
I am not one to say that I should be able to make huge vapor clouds anywhere and everywhere. But seriously, in my own car? Is that even legal?
The wording on that is just plain weird. I think what they're trying to say that there's a three block radius that consists of the medical center and doctor's offices that smoking will not be permitted.
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There are cases that are currently in the courts regarding who has the "greater right" when it comes to a vehicle on private property that is open to the public and similar cases where the parking lot is for employees. Most of them revolve around the car owner keeping a firearm stored in their vehicle, but the principle (who has the greater right over what is allowed/not allowed in a vehicle, the property owner or the vehicle owner) is very similar and decisions in those cases would be seen as precedent and relevant to vaping/smoking in your own car.
Yeah, it sounds like the kind of policy a hospital might put in place for its employees, but the press release (linked earlier in the thread) makes this particular policy sound like it's supposed to apply to everyone within a three-block radius of the hospital. So either the policy maker's an over-reaching idiot, or the writing is horrifically misleading.
Or maybe it's a little of both; after all, a three-block-radius rule would be nearly impossible to enforce even if it were confined to employees. Did these guys even consider enacting the policy on just their own property before jumping straight to taking over the entire city?
In any case, it sure looks like a hefty dose of ANTZ-style bias influences both the policy and the newspaper that reported on it. "YAY, we're/they're banning tobacco!" The little details -- like what the policy actually says, or whether the hospital has the legal or practical power to enact it -- get lost in everyone's rush to pat himself on the back for being health-conscious.
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Both the newspaper and the radio station I heard the initial report on are extremely left wing operations. In fact, like most other places in the country, all of our media outlets are very left wing. The radio station is the one that was reporting "on and off hospital property" and "autos with closed windows".
Since this is a city/county facility and therefore is on city owned property, just like the roads that go around and through it, I suppose the Chattanooga Police Department could be used to enforce the policy both on and within the 3 block area off the hospital campus.
According to the link, it sounds like it was a decision made by the hospital. The whole press release is just badly worded and not thought out. How about a map to clarify what they're talking about: The use of all tobacco products will be prohibited within three blocks of Erlanger campuses, physician practices, medical facilities, parking lots and garages and inside vehicles parked on the properties, according to a news release.
Did anyone pick up on this statement in the newspaper article:
Tobacco products include, but are not limited to, cigarettes, cigars, chewing tobacco, snuff, pipes and any device designed to transmit or convey tobacco smoke (e.g. electronic cigarettes) or related inhalant.
I didn't know my PV "transmitted or conveyed" tobacco smoke.
Tobacco products include, but are not limited to, cigarettes, cigars, chewing tobacco, snuff, pipes and any device designed to transmit or convey tobacco smoke (e.g. electronic cigarettes) or related inhalant.
I didn't know my PV "transmitted or conveyed" tobacco smoke.
Because there are so many sheep in this world that support taking someone else's behavior that they do not agree with away. When big brother comes for them they wail like a baby. Smoking is bad so take it away. Well if you are in your car with windows up you cannot argue it affects someone else. OH, it smells. Yeah so does b/o and old ladies wearing obsession perfume.
They do this where I work but will never say ANYTHING to a patient (customer). They however use the threat of ones employment to control behavior. The chewing tobacco ban is a joke. What can happen from second hand spit? It's all about control. That's why they need to condition the masses that vaping is bad. Oh well I quit analogs more for not wanting to feed the machine with tax dollars thru sin taxes so I vape discreetly whenever I want. LOL
Because there are so many sheep in this world that support taking someone else's behavior that they do not agree with away. When big brother comes for them they wail like a baby. Smoking is bad so take it away. Well if you are in your car with windows up you cannot argue it affects someone else. OH, it smells. Yeah so does b/o and old ladies wearing obsession perfume.
They do this where I work but will never say ANYTHING to a patient (customer). They however use the threat of ones employment to control behavior. The chewing tobacco ban is a joke. What can happen from second hand spit? It's all about control. That's why they need to condition the masses that vaping is bad. Oh well I quit analogs more for not wanting to feed the machine with tax dollars thru sin taxes so I vape discreetly whenever I want. LOL
Don't be silly. Old ladies can't afford Obsession. They use Lady Vanderbilt that their grandchildren buy them from the local drugstore at Christmastime.
Here is another article that says basically the same thing but goes on to talk about how they will help patients and employees with "tobacco cessation" programs.
Erlanger Health System Gains Tobacco-Free Status Beginning Nov. 21 - 10/21/2013 - Chattanoogan.com
Erlanger Health System Gains Tobacco-Free Status Beginning Nov. 21 - 10/21/2013 - Chattanoogan.com
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