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Pros for Provari plus ZAP
ability to test battery level
ability to bump voltage to 3.9, maximum suggested for Zenesis, but entirely unnecessary for superb results in vaping
will sustain consistent battery power, but difference in performance practically nil when using observation to determine the time to change battery
side button
lighter weight
cheaper if you already have a Provari
Zenesis Pros
classy sleek look
built to last for eons and practically indestructible
mechanical APV
bottom button
handy to have if attacked by muggers
Bottom Line.......
Both will work superbly
Decision should be made based on aesthetics and level of bank account
ability to test battery level
ability to bump voltage to 3.9, maximum suggested for Zenesis, but entirely unnecessary for superb results in vaping
will sustain consistent battery power, but difference in performance practically nil when using observation to determine the time to change battery
side button
lighter weight
cheaper if you already have a Provari
Zenesis Pros
classy sleek look
built to last for eons and practically indestructible
mechanical APV
bottom button
handy to have if attacked by muggers
Bottom Line.......
Both will work superbly
Decision should be made based on aesthetics and level of bank account
<--- loves the Bolt description too. Made me giggle with pride.
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<-- Enjoyed the solar eclipse with family yesterday in the perfect weather. Today is back to chance of rain.
<-- Hoping hubby's heart doctor has good news...
<-- Thoughts are bouncing around like ping pong balls... I hope I don't miss my button and ZAU when the time comes to latch onto a thought. I might need a hand-holder...
<-- Wishes all ZenKind (haha, love that!) a good morning and rest of the day.
Good Morning, Evening, Afternoon to all, wherever you are,
I think excitement and anticipation are a wonderful thing. Stress, not so much. Fine line to walk. How often do we really have the opportunity to be excited about something? I say, "Enjoy the ride!" But I hate to see people getting ulcers. I hope everyone gets what they want but for those who don't, Zen~ is obviously in this for the long haul and there will be other runs.
In the immortal words of our fearless leader, "It's just a PV, people."
Of course, it's easier for me to be calm as I already have a Mini and a BAM on order. I do want to get back-ups of tubes & magnets & mesh & well, pretty much everything that could prevent me from using my Zenesis as soon as the site permits me to throw money at it.
And, in my own, ever-so-mortal words, it IS the best APV in the Universe. Of course, I'm not as widely travelled as I wish....
I think excitement and anticipation are a wonderful thing. Stress, not so much. Fine line to walk. How often do we really have the opportunity to be excited about something? I say, "Enjoy the ride!" But I hate to see people getting ulcers. I hope everyone gets what they want but for those who don't, Zen~ is obviously in this for the long haul and there will be other runs.
In the immortal words of our fearless leader, "It's just a PV, people."
Of course, it's easier for me to be calm as I already have a Mini and a BAM on order. I do want to get back-ups of tubes & magnets & mesh & well, pretty much everything that could prevent me from using my Zenesis as soon as the site permits me to throw money at it.
And, in my own, ever-so-mortal words, it IS the best APV in the Universe. Of course, I'm not as widely travelled as I wish....
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Yeah, I'm not saying I wouldn't like multiple options in the future as well, but in the interest of getting my feet wet with Genesis type atty's, and also trying to be fair to the community and not trying to scoop up anything I can get my hands on, just trying to pick which road I will chose to enter the world of Zen~.. 
I haven't seen a lot of discussion regarding ZAP / ProVari vs Zenesis... I know they aren't out yet, but I'm sure some folks with the Zenesis who also have ProVari's have an opinion of which "set-up" the'd prefer....?? Maybe??
I haven't seen a lot of discussion regarding ZAP / ProVari vs Zenesis... I know they aren't out yet, but I'm sure some folks with the Zenesis who also have ProVari's have an opinion of which "set-up" the'd prefer....?? Maybe??
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These are precisely the two that keep coming to my mind... Maintaining consistent voltage through the battery cycle, and being confident its not being "over-discharged"..
IMO, neither are anything you need to be concerned about, and are, in fact, non issues. Those two advantages of the Provari can be matched simply by observation of how the APV is vaping. You WILL know when it's time to change the battery on a Zenesis.
Everything being equal, if it was me, I would buy the Zenesis. Since it's a mechanical APV, there's really nothing to go wrong. Electronics can get iffy with age, in my experience.........
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That feedback is GREATLY appreciated.
Every other device I've had over the past howevermany years has had a cutoff. Good to hear the drop in performance is noticeable enough to mitigate concerns about draining batteries too far.
Every other device I've had over the past howevermany years has had a cutoff. Good to hear the drop in performance is noticeable enough to mitigate concerns about draining batteries too far.
Just one more question if I can bother you... (or anyone else who may have one)
I tend to pocket my ProVari quite a bit. While I don't generally turn it off, the side button is at low risk of getting fired in my pocket. Any concerns with the bottom buttons since that obviously would sit at the lowest point in my pocket?
Sorry if I missed discussion on this at some point as well...
I tend to pocket my ProVari quite a bit. While I don't generally turn it off, the side button is at low risk of getting fired in my pocket. Any concerns with the bottom buttons since that obviously would sit at the lowest point in my pocket?
Sorry if I missed discussion on this at some point as well...
Most people change batteries at about 3.8. That's when the taste and vapor drop a little. The length of time on one battery depends on number of coils, no shorts, chain vaping or not, and general use of the APV.
A twist of the bottom switch renders the APV non-operational. I have heard mention that a half turn is plenty, however, I always unscrew several turns as I'm into overkill........LOL
@Lorderos - you had to say all that because you are male. I think all decisions by males are not based on a moral compass, but rather, trying to avoid upsetting the female in their life... so that they can continue to have sex.
@Vapor2112 - here's my answer - I would never go out and buy a Provari to put a Z Atty pro on - I'd go for the Zenesis any day. But - if you already have a Provari, a Z Atty Pro is a perfectly fine way to go. You'll get an amazing vape either way - the Z Atty is just a more affordable way to experience the Zenesis if you already have other pricey devices. Zen~ is trying to make the amazingness that is the Zenesis available to everyone!
I think all decisions by males are not based on a moral compass, but rather, trying to avoid upsetting the female in their life... so that they can continue to have sex. @Vapor2112 - here's my answer - I would never go out and buy a Provari to put a Z Atty pro on - I'd go for the Zenesis any day. But - if you already have a Provari, a Z Atty Pro is a perfectly fine way to go. You'll get an amazing vape either way - the Z Atty is just a more affordable way to experience the Zenesis if you already have other pricey devices. Zen~ is trying to make the amazingness that is the Zenesis available to everyone!
Yeah, I'm not saying I wouldn't like multiple options in the future as well, but in the interest of getting my feet wet with Genesis type atty's, and also trying to be fair to the community and not trying to scoop up anything I can get my hands on, just trying to pick which road I will chose to enter the world of Zen~..
I haven't seen a lot of discussion regarding ZAP / ProVary vs Zenesis... I know they aren't out yet, but I'm sure some folks with the Zenesis who also have ProVari's have an opinion of which "set-up" the'd prefer....?? Maybe??
After a month, I sold my new Provari Mini V2 to my best friend, that's how important VV was to me because I already have a mini Zenesis. I can tell when the battery is low on my Zenesis because the vapor production reduces enough for me to be aware of it. I used to test the batteries at this point and the would always measure 3.5-3.6v, but now I just swap them at that point.
I was going to get a ZATTYPRO too, but my friend really wanted my Provari and now we both are trying to get a ZATTY PRO so hopefully one of us will succeed and he will have one for his.
Agreed, I love that he's done this, and I think it will make it more attainable for many people as well.
I was more coming from, take money out of the equation, take getting both out of it (for now), and was curious if the ZAP or the Zenesis mini would be preferred. I do like the idea of the manual (or magnetic) button, etc...
Either way, the ProVari isn't going anywhere. I'm starting to lean more towards the Zenesis Mini for its elegant simplicity, and keeping the ProVari for continued use with the other tanks, carts, etc... Of course, there's also the added benefit that if I miss out on a Zen Mini, there may still be opportunity to try for a ZAP in a few short weeks..
Maybe the ZAP will come later down the road..
I was more coming from, take money out of the equation, take getting both out of it (for now), and was curious if the ZAP or the Zenesis mini would be preferred. I do like the idea of the manual (or magnetic) button, etc...
Either way, the ProVari isn't going anywhere. I'm starting to lean more towards the Zenesis Mini for its elegant simplicity, and keeping the ProVari for continued use with the other tanks, carts, etc... Of course, there's also the added benefit that if I miss out on a Zen Mini, there may still be opportunity to try for a ZAP in a few short weeks..
Maybe the ZAP will come later down the road..
correction: there is no right or wrong, there just IS.While I know (and agree with) the right thing as defined by the generally excepted moral code of the modern era as imposed by a number of groups in power over the last milenium. Calling the notion of doing A. or B. right or wrong in this instance is probably not the correct frame to view the issue in. It widely believed that monogamy is dead against our human instinct.
That said, I think you have it backward. For us men especially, we are not trying to convince ourselves that it is OK to do the wrong thing. I think it is that we try to convince ourselves that what you refer to as "the right thing" is actually in our best interests and with instinct leading the charge, sometimes fall on the socially unacceptable side of that coin.
Of course you know I'm just busting your chops on this one...
Sorry I just had to do it.
Agreed, I love that he's done this, and I think it will make it more attainable for many people as well.
I was more coming from, take money out of the equation, take getting both out of it (for now), and was curious if the ZAP or the Zenesis mini would be preferred. I do like the idea of the manual (or magnetic) button, etc...
Either way, the ProVari isn't going anywhere. I'm starting to lean more towards the Zenesis Mini for its elegant simplicity, and keeping the ProVari for continued use with the other tanks, carts, etc... Of course, there's also the added benefit that if I miss out on a Zen Mini, there may still be opportunity to try for a ZAP in a few short weeks..
Maybe the ZAP will come later down the road..
If you are not patient then try to get a mini, and if you don't succeed you have a better chance of getting a ZATTYPRO in a week or so when they are available. You have 2 chances to get something.
If you are patient then get a mini, because your reasoning is sound.
It's not like you can't get your money out of the ZATTY PRO once you are able to get a Mini.
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I have a ProVari, but my thought process is slightly different: I'm looking for a sustainable way of vaping, and for a ban-proof device. The Genesis-style atty does that. The ProVari, or anything using electronics, has a limited lifespan. I count on the Zenesis, and maybe another mechanical APV that I will be considering to fulfill these criteria. Even if the mechanicals break down, they can be zombiefied in a more or less esthetically pleasing manner depending on one's skill
I have not, I figured it was presumptuous of me to put my own posts into a tips and tricks thread.
if anyone should be posting in that thread, it is you my friend
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