House of Hybrids featuring the Zenesis PV

[RippleInStillWater]

Well, my second try at this, I typed up a fantastically written post but the computer glitched and it disappeared so here is the condensed version of my various responses....... spent too much time catching up on 500 posts not to do this at this point!!!

Howdy! I'm alive!

I'd have liked to have hought kcos would have told us if you have passed -- but ycan yu imagine what the zen's would sell for? Nothing like a dead artist!!

MUCH better... Finally swallowed my pride and went in for acupuncture

Againg, blows, buddy -- I know I wouldn't wish my shoulder trouble on anyone....

Well, I'll tell ya... I've been going CRAZY building PVs and Attys... I just sent out payment notifications for the Z-atty-U April list... tomorrow the Z-atty-G's will be notified

I'm building 200 Z-atty-Pros for the new as of yet un-named distributor... things are hopping!

Yea!!! ZAG's a-coming!!!

Well... I'm gonna get some rest.... It was nice chatting with you guys tonight. I'll try to stop in more often!

Yeah, I saw how long that lasted -- it got pervy so you stayed awake for a few hours!!!

"...lawyers, guns and money" I love me some Warren Zevon.

I need some Sentimental Hygiene -- and those who know me know I Enjoy Every Sandwich.......

The Zenfidels should stay at the Comfort Inn... we can all eat the free breakfast together on Sunday

That's why I booked there........

ALMOST 4 AM...

And now I AM out of here...


GATHERING OF THE ZENFIDELS... COMFORT INN.... RICHMOND...

SEE YA!

I'll be groggy, will appear wasted -- of course, that IS my natural state.....

HAH! Missed all the fun in the Zen of Iniquity last night/this AM - definitely rolling gutter balls there you crazed Zenfidals!

Sigh, poor Katz' gang-vaped zenesis!!!

 

[ian74]

Same boat here. This is exactly how it happens. Going through it now. My girlfriend noticed it before I did. She said she knew when I first stopped going to the gym, then it was not going and getting my haircuts, then it was spending more or more nights alone, less phone calls to my friends and family. Going to work, waking up got harder every day. Then I just had a full out breakdown, panic/anxiety/tears. It's awful

Now I'm down in it. Called a therapist, called my doctor. Started some meds. Then you start trying to climb out. It doesn't happen fast, you just wish you could stop feeling this way but you can't. You just can't. Its kind of why I come in here, post around a bit, then dissapear for a few days. I'm hopeful things will get better. This has happened to me before, but it was years ago and eventually I did come out of it.

+1. The warning signs are all there, it's just that when it's you personally, you don't notice it. It's usually a gradual withdrawal from wanting to do anything, see anyone, go anywhere. By the time you realize it, it's full blown or damn near it... and you know if you could just change your attitude, things would look better.... but you can't.

 

[grruss]

Same boat here. This is exactly how it happens. Going through it now. My girlfriend noticed it before I did. She said she knew when I first stopped going to the gym, then it was not going and getting my haircuts, then it was spending more or more nights alone, less phone calls to my friends and family. Going to work, waking up got harder every day. Then I just had a full out breakdown, panic/anxiety/tears. It's awful

Now I'm down in it. Called a therapist, called my doctor. Started some meds. Then you start trying to climb out. It doesn't happen fast, you just wish you could stop feeling this way but you can't. You just can't. Its kind of why I come in here, post around a bit, then dissapear for a few days. I'm hopeful things will get better. This has happened to me before, but it was years ago and eventually I did come out of it.

Your posts are so entertaining. I'm glad you're here. I can only imagine what it would have been like had you been on last night. I still laugh every time I think about your "vacation catch-up" post for emonty. I guess I'm trying to say, "Hang in there, buddy." I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in saying you are an asset to this community.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus

 

[K-man]

party like a rockstar until they load you in the ambulance.....

That's the plan, but I've become somewhat of an expert over the years. Highly trained in Puerto Plata. I think he'll end up in the ambulance before me

Morning all!

 

[sl_rat]

That's the plan, but I've become somewhat of an expert over the years. Highly trained in Puerto Plata. I think he'll end up in the ambulance before me

Morning all!

i knew that there was a reason you didn't call me, LOL. you were busy schooling the youngin'!!!

 

[ian74]

Thanks grruss. I like being here. I like to think I'm putting the ... back in asset!

Your posts are so entertaining. I'm glad you're here. I can only imagine what it would have been like had you been on last night. I still laugh every time I think about your "vacation catch-up" post for emonty. I guess I'm trying to say, "Hang in there, buddy." I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in saying you are an asset to this community.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus

 

[elfstone]

Same boat here. This is exactly how it happens. Going through it now. My girlfriend noticed it before I did. She said she knew when I first stopped going to the gym, then it was not going and getting my haircuts, then it was spending more or more nights alone, less phone calls to my friends and family. Going to work, waking up got harder every day. Then I just had a full out breakdown, panic/anxiety/tears. It's awful

Now I'm down in it. Called a therapist, called my doctor. Started some meds. Then you start trying to climb out. It doesn't happen fast, you just wish you could stop feeling this way but you can't. You just can't. Its kind of why I come in here, post around a bit, then dissapear for a few days. I'm hopeful things will get better. This has happened to me before, but it was years ago and eventually I did come out of it.

You guys rock!

I know there are support groups and stuff, but this type of firsthand account is very important and needs to get out there more. The chick in the Abilify commercial doesn't do justice to the real way in which depression seeps into one's mind.

Chemically and neurobiologically, anxiety disorder and depression are related. We all know that. What's less well perceived is that in fact there is a continuum of what's best described in medical terms as "mood disorder NOS" and the real incidence of that is higher than anyone would guess. The problem is that signs and symptoms are NOT as easy to spot as someone crying or being "sad", but rather more insidious and affecting one in a more "global" way. And it's all important that people understand that the one going through a mood disorder "flare" does not realize it for a long time and is to some extent powerless to "change the tide"!

There must be something in the way we live that predisposes to mood disorders. Just like with diabetes (which also is part of a broader "metabolic syndrome" continuum that affects more people than you'd think). However, while eating and exercise patterns are (not easily) amenable to change, some of the factors of our daily lives that increase our risk for mood disorders are here to stay and will only get worse. Information overload, identity confusion, crumbling support networks, choice stress (yeah, too many choices from the supermarket to one's "role" in society, family, group, team etc.) - these will not go away. So the more awareness about mood disorders the better...

More power to you who shared!

 

[pchela]

I'm curious... I am not depressive, but I have (as some have noted from my recent posts) occasional panic/anxiety attacks. I'm wondering... when you "get depressed": Does your conscious mind say, "Oh, crap... here we go again" as you feel the depression coming on? In other words, can you feel it developing, and are helpless to prevent it from happening, and running it's full course?

Meanwhile, non-sequitor - Hiya! I'm awake at 2:42AM because we ordered "Orange Food". That is, Indian take-out. Now once again my digestive system is all messed up and keeping me awake when everyone else is sleeping.

Oh... and they "didn't have any" samosas. Now, that's like a Chinese place not having pot stickers. WTF??? Not sure I'll be ordering from these guys again... an extra order of naan stuffed in a bag does NOT compensate for the yummy goodness of the missing samosas, sorry.

How is everyone doing East of me who are in Saturday's daylight?

-Insp. 2211

I sometimes think I feel it coming on but usually it turns out that I am already depressed by the time I feel it coming... so, I'm identifying that I am depressed, but a little too late - and I do feel absolutely helpless to change or stop it. Sometimes I think I live in a constant depressive state but that can't be true - I just can't remember back to when I was happy last. So it kind of envelops me and takes control - and this is while medicated. If I try to go off my meds it gets really bad.

 

[elfstone]

Oh, and don't forget chronic pain and fatigue. I am a firm disbeliever in "fibromyalgia" as it is proposed today, but hey - I might be wrong...

In medieval literature, there was a term - "melancholia dolorosa" - which probably referred to fibromyalgia. That literally means painful depression (if we forgo the bizarre dark bile explanations)

Anyway, I think depression goes hand in hand with chronic pain, and luckily one of the drugs marketed for fibromyalgia is an antidepressant so it works, lol.

My point here is, though, if your depression includes all this "sleep all day", "can't find energy for anything", and "every muscle in my body hurts", you might want to ask the doc about switching to an "SNRI" instead of your standard "SSRI" - they seem to help better.

 

[tybin]

psst. what's a machine screw?

what's a lathe??? LOL

 

[dearme]

I think, based on nothing but gut feeling, is that mood disorders are exacerbated by all the chemicals daily ingested in food and/or prescriptions......

 

[pchela]

I get backaches frequently and the occasional headache, but I wouldn't consider it chronic. Just normal aches and pains. The backaches I blame on my daughter - pregnancy was not nice to me!

It is nice that people feel they can share in here. I tend to not talk about it because it's a major downer and I don't wanna be "that person".

 

[elfstone]

psst. what's a machine screw?

Geeez!

Is it wrong that catching up on last night's developments I got a little... you know... enthusiastic?

 

[spw11]

Geeez!

Is it wrong that catching up on last night's developments I got a little... you know... enthusiastic?

That was a lot of fun last night...

 

[tybin]

Ian, I'm sure that your present situation of having to grieve is also compounding your depression, eh?

 

[tybin]

I was being serious and not even thinking of last night I need one for coil wrapping on another device

Geeez!

Is it wrong that catching up on last night's developments I got a little... you know... enthusiastic?

 

[tybin]

never mind. google images was my friend

 

[Katz123]

Ian, I am here if you ever need to talk. I have been there so many times I have lost count now. Life hands you things that are harder than you can handle and that is when I go down that dark road again. I am only halfway back right now. I know that little Toby is weighing heavy on your heart right now. I know this as I just lost my baby girl Pom Mandy in February. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/loving-caring-k9s-felines-other-pets/272105-rest-peace-my-darling-i-will-never-forget-you.html She was a rescue and I had her for 12 years. She stole my heart as I am sure Toby has stolen yours. I went down that road in December with her being so sick and I am just coming back now.

I also have seasonal cycles although they are a little off the most common schedule. I am almost always in a good place in September and a bad one in the spring. So yeah, I also have SAD or Seasonal Affective Disorder. Mine comes on toward the end of Winter or beginning of spring and usually stays until mid August to mid September. So for me the light therapy does not work.

Whoever said that what ever does not kill you makes you stronger did not have to deal with depression. Please know that we are here for you Ian. Any time, any day.

Same boat here. This is exactly how it happens. Going through it now. My girlfriend noticed it before I did. She said she knew when I first stopped going to the gym, then it was not going and getting my haircuts, then it was spending more or more nights alone, less phone calls to my friends and family. Going to work, waking up got harder every day. Then I just had a full out breakdown, panic/anxiety/tears. It's awful

Now I'm down in it. Called a therapist, called my doctor. Started some meds. Then you start trying to climb out. It doesn't happen fast, you just wish you could stop feeling this way but you can't. You just can't. Its kind of why I come in here, post around a bit, then dissapear for a few days. I'm hopeful things will get better. This has happened to me before, but it was years ago and eventually I did come out of it.

 

[ian74]

It is nice that people feel they can share in here. I tend to not talk about it because it's a major downer and I don't wanna be "that person".

I feel the same way, but lately I've been "that person" and I have mixed feelings about it too. Sometimes I feel like going back and deleting a post after I make it, but the thread moves so fast, they are quickly lost in the shuffle so I don't mind as much.

Ian, I'm sure that your present situation of having to grieve is also compounding your depression, eh?

It's definitely not helping tybin, I thought about it after my last post, just those depressed feelings get compounded by other life events, my dog's health. Last week I lost a childhood friend (car accident), and sometimes you wonder if it's all just a test, or why the universe needs to pile everything on your plate when it already seems so full you don't know what to do with it all.

So, yeah, on top of it, it just keeps coming...

 

[RippleInStillWater]

Jesus, the thread was a lot happier place just a couple of hours ago.....

Yes, chemicals can help mellow a depression.......some can make you forget why you were depressed in the first place.......

Ian -- Life's a ....., then you die, I fully believe that, its the sandwiches you enjoy along the way that make it great....