House of Hybrids featuring the Zenesis PV

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Peksi85

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I understand that youre frustrated but at the same time its a limited edition PV thats in extremely high demand, and just one guy doing most of the work. Mistakes are sometimes made, id be willing to bet that because of all the work leading up to vapercon and then fixing the issues during and after VC, is why you havent been able to get in touch w/ him. Either way theres no way hes going to leave you hanging, eventually you will get your pv. I once had to wait almost 6 months for a custom built/painted case that i bought for my pc gaming rig because the dude was in such hight demand, the mobo, vid cards, watercooling reservior etc were just laying around during that time w/out my case to install them into, i remember being pretty anxious but i didnt say anything mean to the guy, and when i got it back it was just so sweet because he added some extras like a thunderfx module built into the front, titanium frame and incorporated the watercooling tubes into the case. He said he did all that for me because he was dealing w/ a crazy work schedule and personal stuff w/ his mothers funeral, and that i was one of the very few who was patient and didnt freak out. So yeah, you do get more uhm... sweet goodies w/ honey heh :2c:




• sent from a dumb iphone so please excuse errors/mishaps

Maybe I was too aggressive, sorry everybody...

But I hope Mike sees even one post regarding this "issue" and can make couple of people really happy.
 

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You'll need to take some wraps off.

The ZAP comes wrapped with "I believe" 6 coils with the intent that it will end up being used on a Provari at higher voltage.

Since you're running it straight off the battery voltage with the P+, you're using the battery voltage.

Remove 1-2 wraps (you should be able to do this without scrapping that coil") and you'll think its a whole new device.. ;)



Good morning all!

Ok. . . where shall I start? Received my ZAP a little over a week ago from Provape and am using (trying to, anyway) with a Precise Plus 18350. Since I was going on vacation, didn't have a lot of time to play with it, so did a little playing before heading off and since coming back. Problem for me is I'm at work and can't play with it at work, so any suggestions offered, I'll trying to apply when I get home tonight.

There is, I'm sure, no real "problem", but I just can't get things going correctly. I've observed that the coils take a LONG time to heat up, in my opinion anyway and I can't pick it up and vape immediately. Coils do light up nicely and evenly once they get going, but by the time I put the cap back on and attempt to vape, nothing is happening. Vapor is less than what I was getting on my Buzz Pro, which coincidentally, broke the day I left for vacation (ugghhh!). I've gotten some hints of pleasant tasting juice (KBV Gooey Butter Cake, which in a carto was meh) but way too infrequently making me feel I'm so close and want to gulp something down and keep coming up empty. Most recently I observed during filing tank 2nd go round, juice is coming out of the wick hole as I am filing.

Coils are Zen wrapped, wick is not touching bottom of tank nor center post, wick is aligned with air hole and I'm vaping @ 3 o'clock (which I typically vape at any way, even with cartos). Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance for all of your insight!



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You'll need to take some wraps off.

The ZAP comes wrapped with "I believe" 6 coils with the intent that it will end up being used on a Provari at higher voltage.

Since you're running it straight off the battery voltage with the P+, you're using the battery voltage.

Remove 1-2 wraps (you should be able to do this without scrapping that coil") and you'll think its a whole new device.. ;)


Vapor2112,

Many thanks, I'll try that! I guess my biggest fear now is I'm going to mess up the coils and have to start afresh and I am by no means ready for that, just yet!! :facepalm: Will definitely give that a go though tonight and report back.


Thanks again!
Juanita
 

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I'm not gonna read all the posts tonight... the first few kinda were a drag...

for those that want to use EZ off on the threads of your Sidewinder....

DON'T...

Look at it for a minute... while you're looking at the threads you are looking RIGHT PAST the ground contact at the top of the body. The threads can remain anodized.

I would GREATLY appreciate it if EVERYBODY would PLEASE wait for the ACTUAL update that will be available on the site tomorrow night.

I have never seen such impatience...

The issue isn't the body threads.

The update kit fixes the problem.

Or option two... go right ahead and ruin the finish on your pv when you get some on the outside by mistake.

Translation... I didn't suggest EASY OFF for a REASON... because it's not the solution.

I closed on my house... I've said my piece... I'm going to bed.
This post really rubs me the wrong way... I am not going to bash, so I don't expect bashing in return. I am expressing my opinion in a non-antagonistic manner.


Zen, I know you are a nice person. I met you and shook your hand at VC. I know you often "bend over backwards" for your customers - I know this. BUT, you often ask your customers to have a little understanding on mistakes, such as hurrying to get product ready for VC. I think this goes both ways - you should try to have a little more understanding for your customers. Impatient? Yes, maybe, but then again my wallet was lighter by far immediately - is it wrong to expect that the product is immediately worth it?

Does Easy-Off work? Don't know, but it definitely made an improvement on my Cobalt. I am also curious to find out what the "update kit" is and the nature of the problem. Also, not all of your customers have time to read and follow this thread or any other with any thoroughness. Maybe a blog section on your HoH site that you can release important info on would be appropriate - again, just an idea. Disagree with me or not, my first ever experience with a Zen product has not been good so far (and I bought two).

Also, congratulations on closing on your house! Take it easy, relax a little, and have a great day!
 

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Just take your time, you really shouldn't have a problem, and I'd start with unwrapping 1 coil at a time to find you sweet spot.

Just loosen the screw on the positive post, take a wrap off, secure it back to the top post and trim the excess wire off. You may need to gently nudge the coils again to get them roughly even.

Keep us posted!


Vapor2112,

Many thanks, I'll try that! I guess my biggest fear now is I'm going to mess up the coils and have to start afresh and I am by no means ready for that, just yet!! :facepalm: Will definitely give that a go though tonight and report back.


Thanks again!
Juanita
 

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I had enough.

Mike, you said 4 weeks ago on the phone that you are finally going to ship our AYS`s and nothing yet... No notification about shipping, no tracking code

Nor will you get those things.

1) YOU didn't buy an AYS From me... You purchased yours from your friend and HE has not received it.
2) I don't actually owe YOU anything... I owe HIM... So I'm not going to deal with YOU on this matter, because you and I have not done business.
3) You came to the wrong place to try to garner sympathy and behaving in rude way in a supplier thread is a pretty good way to find yourself on the ECF Bad Boy Bench... You will get your PV when I ship it to your friend. Nobody has EVER been stiffed on one, and your friend will get it shipped.

I think that's a conversation best had on the phone, not posted in a forum on his supplier thread. The hoh website has his phone # posted right on there.

If he had purchased a PV from me, this would be true.

Month or two is normal, but I`ve waited now over 4 months and Mike said that he shipped all AYS`s 6/1/12 and now it is 10/18/12.

I have waited 3 months now before I came here and trying to get Mikes attention because he has not responce any messages...

Your friends address had issues and my mailing program wouldn't accept it. This has been corrected and it will ship, but with everything else that's going on, it frankly hasn't been my first priority, and this kind of attack doesn't inspire me to make it my first priority.

Good morning all!

Ok. . . where shall I start? Received my ZAP a little over a week ago from Provape and am using (trying to, anyway) with a Precise Plus 18350. Since I was going on vacation, didn't have a lot of time to play with it, so did a little playing before heading off and since coming back. Problem for me is I'm at work and can't play with it at work, so any suggestions offered, I'll trying to apply when I get home tonight.

There is, I'm sure, no real "problem", but I just can't get things going correctly. I've observed that the coils take a LONG time to heat up, in my opinion anyway and I can't pick it up and vape immediately. Coils do light up nicely and evenly once they get going, but by the time I put the cap back on and attempt to vape, nothing is happening. Vapor is less than what I was getting on my Buzz Pro, which coincidentally, broke the day I left for vacation (ugghhh!). I've gotten some hints of pleasant tasting juice (KBV Gooey Butter Cake, which in a carto was meh) but way too infrequently making me feel I'm so close and want to gulp something down and keep coming up empty. Most recently I observed during filing tank 2nd go round, juice is coming out of the wick hole as I am filing.

Coils are Zen wrapped, wick is not touching bottom of tank nor center post, wick is aligned with air hole and I'm vaping @ 3 o'clock (which I typically vape at any way, even with cartos). Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance for all of your insight!

Andyman will ask the most important question of all in 3.... 2.... 1.....


Hey Juanita. How many wraps are on your coil?

It's like MAGIC! LOL I love when a plan comes together!

Maybe I was too aggressive, sorry everybody...

But I hope Mike sees even one post regarding this "issue" and can make couple of people really happy.

Yeah, a little over the top... but I get it... you're upset... and you will find satisfaction soon... but I'm not a big fan of rude behavior from people that didn't actually do the deal with me.

You'll need to take some wraps off.

The ZAP comes wrapped with "I believe" 6 coils with the intent that it will end up being used on a Provari at higher voltage.

Since you're running it straight off the battery voltage with the P+, you're using the battery voltage.

Remove 1-2 wraps (you should be able to do this without scrapping that coil") and you'll think its a whole new device.. ;)

This is the correct advice... the PRO ships setup to use on a Z-Atty-Pro, and it WILL perform brilliantly on a P+, but you'll need to make that little adjustment. Pull of the positive screw and gently remove a wrap... try it... if it's not strong enough remove one more.
 

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Nor will you get those things.

1) YOU didn't buy an AYS From me... You purchased yours from your friend and HE has not received it.
2) I don't actually owe YOU anything... I owe HIM... So I'm not going to deal with YOU on this matter, because you and I have not done business.
3) You came to the wrong place to try to garner sympathy and behaving in rude way in a supplier thread is a pretty good way to find yourself on the ECF Bad Boy Bench... You will get your PV when I ship it to your friend. Nobody has EVER been stiffed on one, and your friend will get it shipped.



If he had purchased a PV from me, this would be true.



Your friends address had issues and my mailing program wouldn't accept it. This has been corrected and it will ship, but with everything else that's going on, it frankly hasn't been my first priority, and this kind of attack doesn't inspire me to make it my first priority

Thank you for your answers. I am satisfied now.

I am so sorry that I need to post something bad on this thread to get your attention...

I just wanna to hear what is going on...

Sorry.
 

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Actually, it ships for use on a ProVari variable voltage mod, right?

I mean, a ZAP on a ZAP may look kinda interesting, but would likely not be a satisfying vape. :laugh:

Sorry, couldn't resist.

This is the correct advice... the PRO ships setup to use on a Z-Atty-Pro, and it WILL perform brilliantly on a P+, but you'll need to make that little adjustment. Pull of the positive screw and gently remove a wrap... try it... if it's not strong enough remove one more.
 

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minime wanted to say hello :D
hope everyone is well

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I know this question has been asked over and over but what's up with the BAM.

In what respect? Shipping? Only a page back Mike stated that he's not shipping ANYTHING until he's sure everything is working and functioning properly. That said, and considering the BAMS are made, it should be soon. He just wants to avoid unhappy customers, and to make sure he gets it right. Vapercon was a rush job and he had product that was not to his satisfaction, but he had NO choice in the matter. He had to show up with SOMETHING. I'm happy to have what I do, even if it's not 100%. Even happier that he's come out with a fix so soon. It was different for those of us at VC. We got to hold, play, and fiddle with them. None of us gave a crap that they weren't 100%. It was still fun. Now for those at home, it's not gonna be as much fun if it's not functioning to Mike's standards. So bottom line, not till he's happy with them, but rest assured that he has made them a priority, so that means soon!

A winded reply I know, but now you got the whole picture :)
 

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This post really rubs me the wrong way... I am not going to bash, so I don't expect bashing in return. I am expressing my opinion in a non-antagonistic manner.

And I appreciate that, and I won't bash because you raise good points.

I know you often "bend over backwards" for your customers - I know this. BUT, you often ask your customers to have a little understanding on mistakes, such as hurrying to get product ready for VC. I think this goes both ways - you should try to have a little more understanding for your customers. Impatient? Yes, maybe, but then again my wallet was lighter by far immediately - is it wrong to expect that the product is immediately worth it?

Managing expectations is a big part of being in the PV business, especially when there is an expectation that vaping nirvana is just around the corner, and the price of admission is a Zenesis APV. You would think that I really enjoy being at the top of the game but it carries with it some real troubles, especially when Vaping Nirvana isn't instantly realized.

People that know me and have dealt with me KNOW I will make it right... I always do... and on this one, the timeline is shorter than usual.

But it's important to realize that when an issue happens, EVERYBODY becomes an instant expert and they start with the work-arounds... and there are assumptions made which are incorrect. People post solutions without trying them first and then we have real damage being done instead of creating a real cure.

By Midnight on Friday at Vapercon the problem was identified and isolated, and it isn't the body threads because the body threads can be entirely anodized and the PV will still work perfectly. Electrical contact comes from the face-to-face mating of the parts where there is bare metal, and the design will remain that way.

There are two problems with the Sidewinder.

1) On about 20% of the units, the bridge between the two sides has anodizing in the 8-32 threads that were not adequately cleaned out by running a tap through them. New Bridges have been made without anodizing and the problem is solved.

2) On 100% of the units the Kick Bypass spring was a temporary part from the start and it was always my intention to make that right. I didn't realize there wouldn't be time to explain this to people that were rushing the table... it was a feeding frenzy. The good news, the temp part DOES work if it is installed correctly, but I admit it was a mistake to NOT put a note in the package indicating that I was aware of the issue, and that would have went a LONG way towards easing peoples minds.

Does Easy-Off work? Don't know, but it definitely made an improvement on my Cobalt. I am also curious to find out what the "update kit" is and the nature of the problem.

Easy off will remove anodizing... absolutely... and on the cobalt, it will work, but sanding the post is a better solution because the risk of finish damage is minimized. On the sidewinder, removing the anodizing from the body threads won't fix the problem, because those are not the threads with the issue, and I have no intention of cleaning them in the future. The PV was designed to NOT require masked threads and I stand by that design for a variety of reasons.

You have asked about the "update kit" and it consists of the following:

1) A new body bridge in matte finish aluminum... it looks great and performs flawlessly
2) A Kick Bypass Spring
3) A Kick bypass spring holder
4) A retaining screw for the kick bypass spring holder
5) Instructions for installation will be online at www.houseofhybrids.com/instructions.

Your Allen wrench for atty rebuilding is the only tool you need to install the kit, and if you choose to do so, you can opt to send it back to me for installation instead of doing it yourself.


Also, not all of your customers have time to read and follow this thread or any other with any thoroughness. Maybe a blog section on your HoH site that you can release important info on would be appropriate - again, just an idea. Disagree with me or not, my first ever experience with a Zen product has not been good so far (and I bought two).

First things first... Thanks for your purchase. I don't say that enough... without people putting their hard earned cash on the line, none of this is possible. And I do understand that your first experience hasn't been positive.

My "tone" was about trying to prevent experiences that were less than positive from turning into PROFOUNDLY negative... and easy-off is a sure fire way to end up with a PV that is damaged beyond recognition, and to make matters worse... it is chasing a solution for a problem that doesn't exist. There ARE problems... but that won't fix it!

When I put the update kits up on the site, I will post on the front page of the site that this is a required update and I am sure that the word will spread quickly that the update exists.

And lastly... I really appreciate the way in which you approached your post... the easiest way to get a respectful dialogue going is to start respectful communication... it sets the tone for a successful outcome.

This reminds me of something I once read, and this is the perfect place to interject it...

"A tribute to my detractors...

My detractors do more for me than friends. My friends are too polite to point out my weaknesses, but my detractors are attentive and hard working. They keep me alert and inspire me to find new ways to improve myself. If I had no detractors I would be less efficient and become inattentive. I use the discipline they force upon me. I salute my detractors. They have been very good for me."

The bottom line is this is a two way street and being reminded of that is ALWAYS good.

Especially when my detractors have a legitimate complaint.
 
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