House of Hybrids featuring the Zenesis PV

[willowize]

its a coconut- pear flavor, more on the coconut side....definitely needs time to steep and let the flavors meld. I had to try a sample of it before steeping, and it's the first time for me trying it myself, thx to recommendations by a few friends

Ohhhhh, I'm gonna have to try this, I love coconut, and been wanting to try a pear flavor.

 

[Ma'am]

Well, some might say a very small group of people dominate this thread, some of whom reliably gang tackle anyone who expresses an opinion they don't like... and then they take turns "Liking" each other's hostile posts. The fact is that, in post 8424, Zen asked for opinions. Evidently, it is acceptable to say "Don't change it, we like spending all day chatting with each other and watching the post-count rise"... but it is not acceptable to the supposedly-friendly Zenfidels to state a differing opinion, as such opinions are met with multiple responses that are overtly aggressively hostile and belittling.

IMO, Zen himself displays a model attitude of open-mindedness and tolerance. If you really want this thread to encourage the success of his PV's, then the Zenfidels would be wise to spend less effort patting each other on the back while attacking others, and more effort trying to emulate the very positive example he sets, an example which is in sharp contrast to the practice of attacking those who aren't champing at the bit to join your self-congratulatory tribe. If you wonder why so many folks PM and email Zen because they feel uncomfortable posting here, you might try looking in mirror.

You want to calm down alittle, take a breath, and ease up here?

First off all, you swooped in here without a hello (not that is required but it is good manners) and took everyone by surprise with your post. You lectured against the downfalls of what you thought about the "mega-huge" thread. And I might be wrong, but did you say that was your opinion or did you go off about not knowing how good marketing works or something another, stating it like it was a fact?!!?

You also need to understand that you came in with hostility and were very aggressive in your posting. Now you fuel the fire by accusing some of gang tackling you!

Chill your heels. No one is "chomping" at the bit at anything. Try and post something other than what you think needs to be done and whining about it. Got something to say about your Zenesis, got anything helpful to others concerning their Zenesis.......post that and get off your high horse already!

 

[st0nedpenguin]

Pretty sure this thread will mostly be rendered moot soon enough anyway when the site goes live and there is stock on hand for regular orders.

So stop pooping in our wheaties please, we like it here.

 

[Ma'am]

For those that may not know, Zen is out of town this weekend at the gatherings in Chicago. If you have any suggestions regarding his thread, please wait until Monday to post them so he can address them personally.

Anyone having issues or questions about their Zenesis, there are many Zenfidels here that can and will help out in Zen's absence.

 

[eastman]

@zen or shai- will the z atty g fit on any older Ggts like say a rev 1 or only the newer ones?

 

[Shaitaan]

Ohhhhh, I'm gonna have to try this, I love coconut, and been wanting to try a pear flavor.

i tried a few drops in a bridgeless atty topping my provari first, then filled my standard....then the flavors really popped now to see how it turns out after steeping Mike at Rawr definitely recommends to steep his juices anyways, so I'll give em a week or two before filling again... besides, I have a ton of DIY I made for my zen's, let alone all the other juice, already steeped to hold me over until all the new stuff is ready

 

[Shaitaan]

@zen or shai- will the z atty g fit on any older Ggts like say a rev 1 or only the newer ones?

my best guestimate is it should....it will be screwed onto the top tube or telescope of your ggts and I don't think Imeo changed the thread dimensions between old and new versions... I have one o' the ss z-atty-g's coming myself, for ggts #985....

 

[pchela]

I thought I offered an acceptable solution with the FAQ but I guess that was overlooked. Stating an opinion is one thing but doing so whilst belittling the regulars will not get you a friendly reaction. As I said before, I'm fairly new to this thread and was welcomed with open arms and managed to find all of the information I needed. I refuse to believe I'm the only person capable of doing so.

 

[willowize]

Mmmm what do you find the best way to steep. I do a lot of DIY, well actually I've been vaping for over three years and have only bought juice once and received juice with kit once. I was gonna buy a few just to get some new tastes. I should rephrase that....to see what they should taste like in my Zenesis.

 

[UA72Riddle]

Just_jumping_in_to_say_hello...Hopefully_get_a_production_once_they_are_ready.

Sorry about your space bar sneaker....and I don't mean to laugh....but,

In light of one persons need to be heard on here today....that was funny as !!!!!

Welcome!

 

[Shaitaan]

Mmmm what do you find the best way to steep. I do a lot of DIY, well actually I've been vaping for over three years and have only bought juice once and received juice with kit once. I was gonna buy a few just to get some new tastes.

if i find any juice that has any amount of alcohol in it, I'll let it steep for a day or more without the cap to dissipate/evaporate the alcohol, then cap 'em and steep some more....otherwise I'll just set the bottles on a shelf, out of the sun or heat, and let them sit for a week or two...sample them first, and let them steep some more if needed... during the whole process, I personally shake each bottle once or twice a day during steeping, which aerates the liquid a bit and help mix the flavors a bit more in my opinion...

 

[zygote]

Sorry, it happened like OB said, he showed up when I least expected it

I had given up on meeting him last night, thought I'd have one more night without my standard... I went fully into my drinking, put some work in on a cougar at the bar, slid her a room key and note saying she should meet me up there in a few minutes..... Then as I'm heading to my room, I see Zen, kcos, and cigar babe sitting talking....I pull up a seat, ask zen if it's too late in the night (forgetting he is a night owl) to get my standard...I spent the next few hours learning how to " just leave it alone and enjoy" While hanging out with some really cool vapers!!

By the time I got to my room, I had completely forgotten that I had given a room key to that lady at the bar...I found a note on the bed that said "I was here waiting for you". then I was about to be upset I missed out, but I was so happy to have my apv, it was ok

hat's off to a fine choice! while the thrill of the hunt is exciting, it is that a 2and a half minute thrill once the prey is captured.but the capture of the Zenesis is a thrill of a lifetime.

 

[rshack]

FWIW (which may not be much), if you're doing small, you might as well do *small*. There is a reason why P10's have a rabid following. For most noobs, the frame of reference is an Actual Cigarette, and in fact there are a lot of folks who don't want anything bigger. Personally, I'd be curious to know whether SuperT sells more P10's vs. P16's.

Ex: My wife takes sips rather than gulps from her cigs, and now from her two P10's. The size fits her need for a v. compact and easily handled device when a 14-based Icon and a P16 were just too big for her to want to use them. Ego's were OK size-wise, but the subtleties of quality feel and handling just never made her want to use them. In contrast, she found her first P10 to be (in her words) magical. That device, in combination with her ambivalence about smoking (not full commitment to going cig-less) is why she is well down the road of going from a carton per week to being cig-less. If it was me, I'd be changing the dang batteries every 30min, but she's not me. She does it ~once per day. Different strokes, etc. No way to know, but that first P10 just might save her life.

Now, I have no idea if you could make one of yours that small in diameter, or if you'd want to. But 14's and 16's aren't small by any standard except folks who are acclimated to 18's, which many people never will be. (Just a thought... )

Here's the problem I'm having with the LillipuZen...

I hate it!

The 14250 battery isn't enough to have much battery life, they are hard to get, and I've yet to find an IMR in that size, and if I did the battery life would be even shorter.

The next battery up from that is the 16340 and IMRs are available... But it's only 1 mm shorter than the far superior 18350.

To design an entirely new PV to save 1mm in length and 2mm in diameter is not the best way to focus my efforts.

It's cool to have a baby Zenesis, and the LillipuZen seemed like a good idea, but Im not seeing the value... Unless people really want a small PV with only a couple hours battery life.

I'm just Not as confident in this one... If people buy it on price because it's the cheapest zenesis, they may be dissapointed when it's really a niche product.

 

[zygote]

Well, some might say a very small group of people dominate this thread, some of whom reliably gang tackle anyone who expresses an opinion they don't like... and then they take turns "Liking" each other's hostile posts. The fact is that, in post 8424, Zen asked for opinions. Evidently, it is acceptable to say "Don't change it, we like spending all day chatting with each other and watching the post-count rise"... but it is not acceptable to the supposedly-friendly Zenfidels to state a differing opinion, as such opinions are met with multiple responses that are overtly aggressively hostile and belittling.

IMO, Zen himself displays a model attitude of open-mindedness and tolerance. If you really want this thread to encourage the success of his PV's, then the Zenfidels would be wise to spend less effort patting each other on the back while attacking others, and more effort trying to emulate the very positive example he sets, an example which is in sharp contrast to the practice of attacking those who aren't champing at the bit to join your self-congratulatory tribe. If you wonder why so many folks PM and email Zen because they feel uncomfortable posting here, you might try looking in mirror.

Sir, i myself jumped in this thread w/the help of a few members, thier kindness to this total stranger who has an intrest in owning 1 of these finely crafted units is very much appreciated (thanx ladies and gentleman). Since page 9 hundred something i have not read anything negative or bashing towards anyone else and if there was previously i'm sure it was for good reason! Friends will pat each other on the back it is a form of encouragement,so my friend if you would like to join in be welcome if not BYE-BYE.

 

[Shaitaan]

FWIW (which may not be much), if you're doing small, you might as well do *small*. There is a reason why P10's have a rabid following. For most noobs, the frame of reference is an Actual Cigarette, and in fact there are a lot of folks who don't want anything bigger. Personally, I'd be curious to know whether SuperT sells more P10's vs. P16's.

Ex: My wife takes sips rather than gulps from her cigs, and now from her two P10's. The size fits her need for a v. compact and easily handled device when a 14-based Icon and a P16 were just too big for her to want to use them. Ego's were OK size-wise, but the subtleties of quality feel and handling just never made her want to use them. In contrast, she found her first P10 to be (in her words) magical. That device, in combination with her ambivalence about smoking (not full commitment to going cig-less) is why she is well down the road of going from a carton per week to being cig-less. If it was me, I'd be changing the dang batteries every 30min, but she's not me. She does it ~once per day. Different strokes, etc. No way to know, but that first P10 just might save her life.

Now, I have no idea of you could make one of yours that small in diameter, or if you'd want to. But 14's and 16's aren't small by any standard except folks who are acclimated to 18's, which many people never will be. (Just a thought... )

the best part of that though, bro.....anything to keep her or anyone off the analogs, even if it's once in a while, is a good thing... a win-win situation..better if they go completely off, but at least it's a start

 

[Ma'am]

the best part of that though, bro.....anything to keep her or anyone off the analogs, even if it's once in a while, is a good thing... a win-win situation..better if they go completely off, but at least it's a start

Very true, indeed!

 

[Murdock Ruml]

Just a reminder. Time is running out on a chance to get my Pluid.

 

[UA72Riddle]

Well, some might say a very small group of people dominate this thread, some of whom reliably gang tackle anyone who expresses an opinion they don't like... and then they take turns "Liking" each other's hostile posts. The fact is that, in post 8424, Zen asked for opinions. Evidently, it is acceptable to say "Don't change it, we like spending all day chatting with each other and watching the post-count rise"... but it is not acceptable to the supposedly-friendly Zenfidels to state a differing opinion, as such opinions are met with multiple responses that are overtly aggressively hostile and belittling.

IMO, Zen himself displays a model attitude of open-mindedness and tolerance. If you really want this thread to encourage the success of his PV's, then the Zenfidels would be wise to spend less effort patting each other on the back while attacking others, and more effort trying to emulate the very positive example he sets, an example which is in sharp contrast to the practice of attacking those who aren't champing at the bit to join your self-congratulatory tribe. If you wonder why so many folks PM and email Zen because they feel uncomfortable posting here, you might try looking in mirror.

Since this is aimed at me....I'm gonna say a few things and then I refuse to let this contaminate Zens thread any further.

You came in here without warning, with an out of nowhere post about how we are ruining this thread "just trying to raise the post count", and expect nothing to come of it? Had you handled yourself differently, and tried to include the group in a discussion.....rather than pointing fingers.....we would have happily joined in the CONVERSATION.

The post count is high with a mixture of things (that I will not repeat)....not because we are trying to set some record. Are you going to any other threads with that same complaint and style?? I doubt it.

And you are going to stoop low enough to make a comment about someone's excitement over these mods?? Yeah...I doubt Zen or anyone else will look at any of us differently for defending the group of people in here that go out of our way to support zen and the members of this group so that eventually everyone that has this mod can reach that level of enjoyment.

The rest....the mamma hen has already fluffed up and said before I got back...and this isn't the only place I have seen her stand up for the group. (thanks ma'am )

If you want to discuss something, we are happy to. And anyone that comes in with decency.....will be greeted and welcomed...as you would have been. You voiced your opinion (in a very matter of fact way), and I voiced mine. Sorry you couldn't handle the opinion of others that just so happened to be the same.....wait...isn't that what you just accused us of??? Hmmm....

 

[rshack]

and thats all you yourself have been doing....follow your own example and just maybe, someone will take you seriously... there is a difference between constructive criticism and attacking someone...

Imagine my surprise when I just observed that you "liked" post 10716. I guess that must have been an error, as it is hard to see how you liked it initially but suddenly find it offensive now. That post has not changed (except for repairing a typo), yet it was met by the gang tackling to which I referred.

Now, if you find my acknowledgment of subsequent gang tackling by some (not all, but some) of the "friendly" Zenfidels offensive, well, OK. Perhaps a series of attacks is considered fine behavior as long as it takes the form of gang tackling by Zenfidels. We can certainly agree to disagree about that, and our disagreement need not be ugly.

 

[UA72Riddle]

FWIW (which may not be much), if you're doing small, you might as well do *small*. There is a reason why P10's have a rabid following. For most noobs, the frame of reference is an Actual Cigarette, and in fact there are a lot of folks who don't want anything bigger. Personally, I'd be curious to know whether SuperT sells more P10's vs. P16's.

Ex: My wife takes sips rather than gulps from her cigs, and now from her two P10's. The size fits her need for a v. compact and easily handled device when a 14-based Icon and a P16 were just too big for her to want to use them. Ego's were OK size-wise, but the subtleties of quality feel and handling just never made her want to use them. In contrast, she found her first P10 to be (in her words) magical. That device, in combination with her ambivalence about smoking (not full commitment to going cig-less) is why she is well down the road of going from a carton per week to being cig-less. If it was me, I'd be changing the dang batteries every 30min, but she's not me. She does it ~once per day. Different strokes, etc. No way to know, but that first P10 just might save her life.

Now, I have no idea of you could make one of yours that small in diameter, or if you'd want to. But 14's and 16's aren't small by any standard except folks who are acclimated to 18's, which many people never will be. (Just a thought... )

Some have that fixation for the real thing....and never get past it. I still like the smaller mods, and have had a few 10440 pvs, but the aggravation of changing the batteries out every couple of hours kills it for me...but even now there is that "want" for that size mod and atty. These style rebuildables are hard enough with the size they are now...I couldn't imagine trying to wrap even smaller coils...my fingers would get in the way.

But, that's why these aren't for everyone. If the P-10 does it for her...and even slows her cig use down a lot....then it's worth it totally.