House of Hybrids featuring the Zenesis PV

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I know I said it before, but thar she blows.

I mean this thread of course :)

filled with emotions.

happiness (for all the febers)
excitement (for them and for the pics)
sadness (for me and the marchers)
envy (I will talk to my shrink about this one)
anticipation (what I mean is impatience actually)
nausea (I want one so bad, I feel sick)

happy for all the early adopters.
 
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A Win/Win situation?

Can you imagine me hanging out with a savant trying to show him how to roll mesh and make coils...

Zen~: So... you fasten the coil wire to the ground screw first...
Karma: How many Inch Pounds of torque a
Zen~: It doesn't have to be precise... just make it snug...
Karma: That screw is rated to be tight at 11 inch pounds...
Zen~: Just make it snug...
Karma: 5 inch pounds is too loose, I'll try 6
Zen~: Just snug it... turn it until it just catches
Karma: 6 inch pounds catches it... but I'm not sure if its snug... it may be snug... i'm not sure... is this snug?
Zen~: It's not a precise thing...
Karma: I'll try 7 Inch pounds
Zen~: Ok, let me know when it's snug
Karma: 7 Inch pounds is snug, maybe too snug...
Zen~: I'm sure it will be fine.... Now.. wrap the wire 4 times CLOCKWISE around the wick...
Karma: Clockwise from the top or the bottom?
Zen~: Seriously?
Karma: Well... they are opposite directions... I want to get this right...
Zen~: Looking down from trom the top...
Karma: but... when I hold it in my hand and tip it this way it's the other direction
Zen~: Don't hold it that way
Karma: I can't hold it any other way.
Zen~: so wrap it around the wick 4 times and fasten it to the top screw
Karma: When If I wrap it four times there will only be three wraps on the back of the wick...
Zen~: I know...
Karma: Do you want 4 on the front or the back?
Zen~: Four on the front... three on the back
Karma: So you you want three full wraps plus the lead-ins and lead-outs... so it looks like 4 on the front and there's really only 3 full wraps... its funny... but I'm kind of hung up on mathematical visualization... This reminds me of the Mandelbrot set which is a particular mathematical set of points whose boundary is a distinctive and easily recognizable two-dimensional fractal shape. It's really closely related to Julia sets in it's complexity and the visualizations are similar though not identical... most people see them as the same... I see the differences pretty clearly...

The thing to realize is the Mandelbrot set is the set of values of c in the complex plane for which the orbit of 0 under iteration of the complex quadratic polynomial zn+1 = zn2 + c remains bounded. That is, a complex number c is part of the Mandelbrot set if, when starting with z0 = 0 and applying the iteration repeatedly, the absolute value of zn remains bounded however large n gets. It's really cool!

As as example, letting c = 1 gives the sequence 0, 1, 2, 5, 26,…, which tends to infinity. As this sequence is unbounded, 1 is not an element of the Mandelbrot set. On the other hand, c = i (where i is defined as i2 = −1) gives the sequence 0, i, (−1 + i), −i, (−1 + i), −i, ..., which is bounded, and so i belongs to the Mandelbrot set.

This is kinda like that...

Zen~: Exactly... then... you snug down the top screw...
Karma: Cool...

That is too funny, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

On the bright side, after a few hours of conversation about mathematical/physical theory and how it relates to wrapping coils you'd have 2 PVs done (5 minutes working time) and tested. Then you could discuss the physical theories pertaining to how the heat relates to the coil's electrical properties and how much is lost to the connections, the components of the PV and the limitations of the batteries used. Maybe some more time on how the fractional amounts of energy lost to those things translate to the juice and tank affect the overall performance of the PV as a whole.

Hopefully at that point you could go into production mode, unless the process starts all over again at:

Zen~: So... you fasten the coil wire to the ground screw first...
Karma: How many Inch Pounds of torque a

If that is the case then I see your point :) Go on vacation after they are done.

PS.
Karma, I hope no offense is taken here, I assure you that none is meant and I wish you the best :)
 

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A Win/Win situation?

Can you imagine me hanging out with a savant trying to show him how to roll mesh and make coils...

Zen~: So... you fasten the coil wire to the ground screw first...
Karma: How many Inch Pounds of torque a
Zen~: It doesn't have to be precise... just make it snug...
Karma: That screw is rated to be tight at 11 inch pounds...
Zen~: Just make it snug...
Karma: 5 inch pounds is too loose, I'll try 6
Zen~: Just snug it... turn it until it just catches
Karma: 6 inch pounds catches it... but I'm not sure if its snug... it may be snug... i'm not sure... is this snug?
Zen~: It's not a precise thing...
Karma: I'll try 7 Inch pounds
Zen~: Ok, let me know when it's snug
Karma: 7 Inch pounds is snug, maybe too snug...
Zen~: I'm sure it will be fine.... Now.. wrap the wire 4 times CLOCKWISE around the wick...
Karma: Clockwise from the top or the bottom?
Zen~: Seriously?
Karma: Well... they are opposite directions... I want to get this right...
Zen~: Looking down from trom the top...
Karma: but... when I hold it in my hand and tip it this way it's the other direction
Zen~: Don't hold it that way
Karma: I can't hold it any other way.
Zen~: so wrap it around the wick 4 times and fasten it to the top screw
Karma: When If I wrap it four times there will only be three wraps on the back of the wick...
Zen~: I know...
Karma: Do you want 4 on the front or the back?
Zen~: Four on the front... three on the back
Karma: So you you want three full wraps plus the lead-ins and lead-outs... so it looks like 4 on the front and there's really only 3 full wraps... its funny... but I'm kind of hung up on mathematical visualization... This reminds me of the Mandelbrot set which is a particular mathematical set of points whose boundary is a distinctive and easily recognizable two-dimensional fractal shape. It's really closely related to Julia sets in it's complexity and the visualizations are similar though not identical... most people see them as the same... I see the differences pretty clearly...

The thing to realize is the Mandelbrot set is the set of values of c in the complex plane for which the orbit of 0 under iteration of the complex quadratic polynomial zn+1 = zn2 + c remains bounded. That is, a complex number c is part of the Mandelbrot set if, when starting with z0 = 0 and applying the iteration repeatedly, the absolute value of zn remains bounded however large n gets. It's really cool!

As as example, letting c = 1 gives the sequence 0, 1, 2, 5, 26,…, which tends to infinity. As this sequence is unbounded, 1 is not an element of the Mandelbrot set. On the other hand, c = i (where i is defined as i2 = −1) gives the sequence 0, i, (−1 + i), −i, (−1 + i), −i, ..., which is bounded, and so i belongs to the Mandelbrot set.

This is kinda like that...

Zen~: Exactly... then... you snug down the top screw...
Karma: Cool...


:blink: Oh wait the german torque table will work, I can do that :D

:?: 3 wraps 4 wraps ........ Hmmmmm im not sure if this helps or makes me ponder more ................ its good to know Karma and ob are about as crazy as myself its nice not to be alone :laugh:
 

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Zen,

We are remiss. Kudos & congratulations for the realization of a long-held dream. Sincerely, Well Done!

Thanks so much... this product launch was a bit more difficult than I had anticipated... some of my projections were optimistic, to say the least, but I have learned so much and really appreciate how kind everybody has been with regard to delays and design changes along the way...

I really do look at this as OUR baby at this point... we all put a lot into this process.
 
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