Houston, we have a problem...BE nic titration results

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pinellaspete

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Kurt,

Thanks for all the hard work!
You might have saved one of our lives!

Some of the people on this forum have extreme health issues and are using vaping to quit smoking. Imagine someone with heart issues, thinking they are vaping 24mg nic when in fact because of BE's poor quality control issues, they end up vaping 60mg nic. It could cause a heart attack or worse!

You are the man! All that hard work in college paid off!

Thanks,

Pete
 

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Thanks, Sdh! Well, there it is. I take issue with the test merely testing for the presence of nicotine. It actually does no such thing. It tests for the presence of a weak base with the pKb close to that of nicotine, but it does not validate that the base is actually nicotine. It could one of many amines of the same basicity. Sloppy wording to a chemist. I am assuming the base is nicotine, based on the odor and product label, but only NMR or MS would actually ID the base. Might be picky here. I do know what they meant, though, and I disagree with that. They meant you cannot use the test to quantitate the amount of nic. Qualitatively as long as it is done properly, it should get within about 10% of the actual. It is less quantitative than a buret titration, but that too is somewhat limited by the fact that it is an indicator that is being used, and not the pH. If they try to argue with a pH titration curve they are getting in way over their heads.

Kin: I think the number of vendors adjusting the pH of their liquids is quite low. It seems the vast majority are just using freebase. There is unfortunately only one way to tell, however, and that is with a pH meter. VV liquid does not come up to me much different than a DIY I make with BE or MFS in terms of vaping.

That email was from 11/2 (I received the same email), it's not addressing this thread but the older one.
 

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Tonight on Vape TV, 10pm EST:

Brad Bacher Responds...

In an exclusive VapeTV interview, Mr. Bacher has agreed to a no-holds-barred interview regarding the recent allegations and ensuing "scandal".

All members of the community are invited to attend and/or submit questions. Additional calls will be taken via Skype from interested parties to join in the discussion.

To submit a question in writing please e-mail: cozzicon@gmail.com

To possibly be selected for a call-in add "cozzicon" in Skype.

This show may run longer than an hour. It's certainly going to be an interesting ride.

Catch the show at 10pmEST here: VapeTVLive on Stickam - Join the live stream

Think Kurt should get on there. Assuming he is willing of course.
 

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cozzicon

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Think Kurt should get on there. Assuming he is willing of course.

Yes... he's been offered a chance to participate. I've indicated to him this would not be a mud slinging fest and that *all* parties will be treated respectfully.

I hope he does... this is an important issue for the entire community. I also have a long experience reading Kurt here on ECF and he is totally welcome.
 

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I say we all get Darwinian on the vendors, and weed out the riff-raff.

Darwinian, agree.

(From Box Elder) To all those concerned about recent comments on ECF (E-Cigarette Forum - ECF) about the strength of our Liquid Nicotine products.
Let me try to alleviate any misinformation that may be out there.


...With that in mind we would like to announce that for the next week will will be running a "50% Off Sale" on Box Elder Chemical Supply.


Sincerely,

Brad Bacher
Box Elder Chemical Supply
888-962-5877

Does this means it is really a 136% Off Sale? :facepalm:
 

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Thats what they say to the public.... get into a off-the-record conversation with those vendors and they'll tell you a completely different story.

Well, I'm a VapeTV host and I've never seen anything like that. And if it was shown to me to be true- I would leave the network.

Just sayin'
 

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Long time reader (of this thread), first time poster. Three things!

1. Thanks Kurt, so much.
2. Crap, I don't have enough bandwidth on my steam-powered ISP to stream it.
3. KD, you made rum n' coke come out of my nose.
Does this means it is really a 136% Off Sale? :facepalm:
 

Desertfremen

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Well, I've been following this from the start and just haven't gotten a chance to respond.

First, many thanks to Kurt who has brought this to light.

Second, aside from the horrors this could have been there is a side to this issue that greatly boggles my mind.

I can understand cutting the liquid a little low for greater profit. (not saying I think it is right but ... yeah) However, how does one stay in business by selling stronger! I just can't wrap my head around this! It can't be a motive of greed and testing can't be that costly! (can it?) Is this truly just a case of pure laziness?

Either way, I'm glad I've never purchased nic from BE.
 
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