Creepy aren't they? To me, the worst thing are those big shoes. How do they drive the little cars with big shoes???? Is it a little car with big pedals? or is it like the Dr Who TARDIS. You know, bigger on the inside????
How are clones allowed?
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Creepy aren't they? To me, the worst thing are those big shoes. How do they drive the little cars with big shoes???? Is it a little car with big pedals? or is it like the Dr Who TARDIS. You know, bigger on the inside????
I don't think China has patent laws.
For some of the things that are designed here in the states (Apple products, computer products) what happens is the US companies have outsourced the manufacturing out to Chinese companies. Since there are no patent laws in China (as far as I know) these companies either steel the designs and make knock-offs (serves the US compines right for undercutting US labor), or they will sell the working "seconds" that are rejected by the US companie's QC. Basicly blemished items.
The US companies don't have any recorse because of China's patent laws. If they don't want their designs stolen, don't have them made in China.
US customes tries to stop many of the outright stolen designed products from selling here in the states because it undercuts the US companie's pricing (They like making $520 profit off of that phone you just paid $600 for). But as far as items designed in China that the ideas were stolen off of the US looks at it as a Chinese issue.
For some of the things that are designed here in the states (Apple products, computer products) what happens is the US companies have outsourced the manufacturing out to Chinese companies. Since there are no patent laws in China (as far as I know) these companies either steel the designs and make knock-offs (serves the US compines right for undercutting US labor), or they will sell the working "seconds" that are rejected by the US companie's QC. Basicly blemished items.
The US companies don't have any recorse because of China's patent laws. If they don't want their designs stolen, don't have them made in China.
US customes tries to stop many of the outright stolen designed products from selling here in the states because it undercuts the US companie's pricing (They like making $520 profit off of that phone you just paid $600 for). But as far as items designed in China that the ideas were stolen off of the US looks at it as a Chinese issue.
Of course China has patent laws. A cursory search of Wikipedia will lead you to a summary article. Intellectual property in China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The article mentions the difficulty in implementing the laws on intellectual property, and China is not alone in dealing with this. This being said, not everything you use to vape is patented or even patentable. Patenting is not automatic, neither in design nor in processes. Because you are basically using a souped-up battery or a modified flashlight, these may not (I repeat, MAY not) be patentable. And if they are, who originated the idea?
Ruyan DOES have patents on many of its products, and HAS successfully prosecuted US companies for patent infringement...the guys doing the infringing are not always the ones you seem to think they are...it always looks different when its your side doing the infringing.
Actually a man named Herbert Gilbert patented the first electronic cigarette type device in 1963 but he was just too far ahead of his time.
Bit less WTA maybe if you get a "timemachine" effect.
Unless using shrooms instead of tobacco when making your DIY.
Unless using shrooms instead of tobacco when making your DIY.
Not to derail the discussion at hand, but by the way, fixed MSRP (as in price fixing) is actually illegal in the US, the only way they (Chinese Manufacturers) are getting away with it is because they are out of reach. MAP (Minimum Advertised Price) depends on the state, it is generally not allowed (precedence of a Federal case), but some States passed laws specifically allowing it.
This...
I have to thank many of you for the entertainment value in this thread.
Why does it appear that the most vocal in this debate seem to be the "High End Mod" camp?
Seriously fellas... you're up in arms over someone cloning or copying you highly prized/coveted, over priced piece of machined pipe?
These devices have been de-engineered to the simplest form... no electronics, just a simple battery tube and mechanical spring loaded activation button. The only unique factor is the design of end caps/attachments, venting holes and physical appearance. What is there that can be patented? There's no proprietary design elements in play.
What I see is the Chinese invented these e-cig things that are small, light, & easily mass produced. They included some micro electronics and battery technology with safety and price point a major consideration. Most of the product was designed as more or less disposable. Basically it's a 21st century technology innovation. Second generation was more focused on longer life, higher usage non-disposable devices.
Then enter the US/Western mostly male element... heck bent on eliminating all the technology and engineering these things down to the most simplistic, finely polished piece of industrial age metal works... that requires the use of old school ohm meters and basic electrical technical tools to build/operate safely. Now y'all are whining about cloning?
Where is this backwards technological retro adventure heading... batteries becoming too modern... developing a hand cranked power generator built out of wood, machined brass hardware and wire for $5000 for an entry level model.
... developing a hand cranked power generator built out of wood, machined brass hardware and wire for $5000 for an entry level model.
Hand cranked....
Hmmmm...
Put a good name on it and a high enough price, I could sell out before the wood for it is even cut down....
And every mod maker is a clone of his.
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Amazing, eh?
Interesting design. I wonder how well it would work. Has anybody ever built one to see?
I would like a GGTS, here is my $250, I expect it by the end of the week. Your analogy is way off. He said that he has better things to do than shop for an overpriced mod that a: he can't afford and b: isn't even available. You equate that to theft? They are all clones of the original concept.
So, using your analogy about the video game. As long as it takes over a year to get or it is a limited edition run, it is okay to steal? There are many reasons to buy a clone. Ultimately, not being able to buy what you want is the main reason. I can buy a pack of smokes right now, for $6 and there is ZERO wait. Having to wait for something that helps a person stay off of cigarettes is insane to me. If you want me to buy your products, make them available to me - or I will go somewhere else.
China has patent laws... and no the chinese did not "steel" the designs and any US "companie" would have legal "recorse" if it patented the design (which they don't). There are too many things wrong with your evaluation of US/China corporate relations to individually refute them... basically you're wrong... NO.
If it weren't for clones most of us wouldn't have vaped this far...
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The reason nobody is "doing" anything (I assume by doing you mean suing people.... or idk maybe bombing China? Either way... crazy) is there is nothing to be done, no cause for the uproar. The chinese are making something very similar at a fraction of the price... and they will continue to sell like hotcakes until the US manufacturers decide that they don't need to make 5000% profit on each item. Then again, there are apparently hordes of people willing to throw down insane amounts of money to support these manufacturers (i.e. you), so they probably don't care anyway.
It takes 3 things besides a block of metal to make one of these RBA's: Access to a CNC machine, a BASIC understanding of electrical engineering, and time. No CAD... no crazy laboratory... just that. It's not easy, but it isn't all that hard and when you only spend MAYBE 5k in development costs and you're making $100 off each of your $140 RBAs your entire development costs are payed for with one sale to a B&M. So why even bother suing anyone you can always tweak the design for NOTHING and sell another 500 of em? It would be a HUGE waste of time especially when it's very unlikely the U.S. Patent office would grant you a patent and even if they did it would take a year at minimum!
So, in short, get over it. Clones are here to stay.
The reason nobody is "doing" anything (I assume by doing you mean suing people.... or idk maybe bombing China? Either way... crazy) is there is nothing to be done, no cause for the uproar. The chinese are making something very similar at a fraction of the price... and they will continue to sell like hotcakes until the US manufacturers decide that they don't need to make 5000% profit on each item. Then again, there are apparently hordes of people willing to throw down insane amounts of money to support these manufacturers (i.e. you), so they probably don't care anyway.
It takes 3 things besides a block of metal to make one of these RBA's: Access to a CNC machine, a BASIC understanding of electrical engineering, and time. No CAD... no crazy laboratory... just that. It's not easy, but it isn't all that hard and when you only spend MAYBE 5k in development costs and you're making $100 off each of your $140 RBAs your entire development costs are payed for with one sale to a B&M. So why even bother suing anyone you can always tweak the design for NOTHING and sell another 500 of em? It would be a HUGE waste of time especially when it's very unlikely the U.S. Patent office would grant you a patent and even if they did it would take a year at minimum!
So, in short, get over it. Clones are here to stay.
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Chinese are already working on cloning people. Cloned people vaping cloned ejuice with cloned PV. Most products and parts are made in China, China buying US companies and investments. Get your Rosetta Stone cause China will take over the world...but not today since Chuck Norris lives.
...China will take over the world...but not today since Chuck Norris lives.
And who taught Chuck Norris to fight? Bruce Lee!
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