How do I get the NOM NOM NOM with diy

[rockyroad]

Did some researching. ( because I am obsessed ) This is probably not new to many of you but I wanted to post this to maybe spark a reaction or some feedback. This is from Wikipedia......
Contents

Human saliva includes:

* Water (98 to 99 percent).
* Electrolytes:
o 2-21 mmol/L sodium (lower than blood plasma)
o 10-36 mmol/L potassium (higher than plasma)
o 1.2-2.8 mmol/L calcium
o 0.08-0.5 mmol/L magnesium
o 5-40 mmol/L chloride (lower than plasma)
o 25 mmol/L bicarbonate (higher than plasma)
o 1.4-39 mmol/L phosphate

Definitely no alcohol in saliva. I read a post from "Switched" who suggested using distilled water instead of alcohol which would make sense if you wanted to create a more NOM NOM vape.
What about some of the other ingredients in saliva? Would any of the ingredients mentioned above be harmful to us if they were a part of our juice and turned into a vapor?

This piece of information comes from this link Dry Mouth -- Treatment for Dry Mouth

How to Treat Dry Mouth and its Associated Symptoms

To Keep Your Mouth Moist

Sip water or other sugar-free juices frequently. It is particularly important to drink often while eating. This will aid chewing and swallowing and may enhance the taste of your food. You can carry a water bottle, like bicycle riders do, during the day and keep a glass of water at your bedside at night. Also, use a humidifier to increase the moisture content of the air in your room.
Stimulate the flow of your saliva
By eating foods which require mastication
By chewing sugarless gum
By using, if possible, acid-tasting, sugarless (diabetic-type) candies..
By “sucking” a cherry or olive pit; or the rind of a lemon or lime.

The way I read this....stay away from sweetener for a better NOM NOM.
The article also suggests a chemical stimulant which contains citric acid at the bottom of the page. I believe I read that coconut is also a good stimulate for saliva...foods that require mastication!!
I would personally look into finding some of these ingredients in liquid form or a solid if they could be liquefied safely...mixed with nic juice, flavor and vaped.

Big BUT here...I don't know so I need some feed back from a qualified tech person. I mean seriously I'm not going to buy sodium, calcium, magnesium, etc. etc, mix it up and vape it!! I may not be the smartest cookie but I still have a few nuts left on top.
water is very good to drink especially when vaping. Keep your mouth moist so you don't end up looking like this guy. Try to stay away from the sugar drinks while vaping.

 

[redgirl]

For some reason, I like drinking Sobe Lifewater. It just has something in it that I guess, coats your mouth? I also use these:

Biotene | Biotene products

I have the toothpaste, mouthwash, and mouth spray.

 

[Hoosier]

Not sure what you're after here.

The way I read it: I want to vape saliva or something that stimulates saliva production.

I can understand the stimulate part, so I will ignore the first.

Sugarless gum & diabetic candy are sweet. They just do not contain sugar.

Basically, what triggers my saliva glands will be unlikely to be what triggers yours. Going off the nose to mouth reaction that is. We can discount the increased production of saliva due to chewing as we donet chew vapor.

So, what smells fill your mouth with saliva? For me it is good bourbon and fresh grapes from my backyard.
As the article stated, sucking on a pit from a sour cherry produces saliva for me too. Massive amounts. In fact nearly anything sour does so.
So, for me, a vape that has some sour in it gets my saliva glands working. Oddly enough I am vaping a slightly sour peach and a citris blend juice today. Very nice.

So, have you tried a sour-ish mix yet?

 

[DaDuke]

OT:
@rocky, as bovinia said pavlovs dogs is a classic experiment in conditioning. I love psych and it gives one many insights into others and self. Pavlov rang a bell every time he fed the dog. In time, he could trigger the physical response of the dog producing saliva by simply ringing the bell with no food present. A perfect human example of this is how a mothers breasts will generate milk at the sound of a baby crying. This indicates just how easy and effective it is to condition people and imo is directly related to addictions of habit.

Which can be related to why vaping is so successful when other methods have failed miserably. Just like in pavlovs dogs, i believe that we can trigger the physical satisfaction we're used to from smoking by the physical action (like the bell) of hand to mouth, inhaling and exhaling as well as the visual cues of seeing vapor. IMO, the nic only plays a small role in why vaping works for so many people.

Back on topic: I was thinking something with a tart flavor might do it and they did mention citric acid. I know the chocolate and coffee flavors seem to dry me a bit whereas the FF tangerine seems juicier. Heh, of course that could just be a pavlovian response

 

[Bovinia]

Rocky what about using some coconut flavoring in your mix to see if that adds some nom nom? Just a touch, not enough to actually get the coconut flavor to come thru. You are looking for that holy grail taste, not trying to treat dry mouth

Red, I love Biotene products! I used them before I started vaping, they do help me

 

[Springbird]

I'll just throw this in here, granted, I have a head cold, and I'm tired but... My friend was just treated for thyroid cancer with radioactive iodine. This treatment can damage your salivary glands because the radioactive iodine concentrates in this tissue. She was told to bring sour candy to suck on during her treatment because it ( the sour candy) would increase the production of saliva, and that would spare her salivary glands. So it is medically accepted that sour flavors increase saliva production.

Now I just need to figure out what to do with the vision of Hoosier sitting in his back yard eating grapes, drinking bourbon and trying to chew his PV.

 

[Bovinia]

I'll just throw this in here, granted, I have a head cold, and I'm tired but... My friend was just treated for thyroid cancer with radioactive iodine. This treatment can damage your salivary glands because the radioactive iodine concentrates in this tissue. She was told to bring sour candy to suck on during her treatment because it ( the sour candy) would increase the production of saliva, and that would spare her salivary glands. So it is medically accepted that sour flavors increase saliva production.

Now I just need to figure out what to do with the vision of Hoosier sitting in his back yard eating grapes, drinking bourbon and trying to chew his PV.

Yay another Connecticut vaper!!

Hubby recently had what our Dr. said was a plugged salivary gland and he had hubby suck on sour candy to increase saliva production to help wash out and pass the plug.

And funny, but I don't have any problem picturing Hoosier doing those things lol

 

[rockyroad]

Thanks for chiming in Red your opinions are always appreciated. I checked out the link and the Biotene products are something I would like to try (gel mostly for starters). I can't seem to find a way to order from there. I found the mouthwash and oral rinse at Walmart.....OK! I can buy any and all of it from Walgreens..very nice, thanks.

Hoosier, the reason(and I know what your saying) I left the saliva ingredients was because I just wanted to know that if I wanted to add a couple of calcium or sodium drops to mix in my juice, would that be harmful to my lungs? I do understand that sucking on a lemon drop or a cherry pit will create saliva, but that's not what we are doing. We are turning it into vapor first. That's why I am curious about saliva ingredients. Mixing some of those ingredients into the juice blend , then turning all of it into vapor. I will try it but only if I hear from an expert that it would be safe. I see you were vaping a sourish blend and said "very nice". Just curious, does very nice mean it creates the saliva in your mouth? or it tastes good. I have not tried a sourish type vape yet. I'm wondering if concentrated lemon juice from the grocery would work.

Duke.....I'm still thinking.....that poor dog.....might as well have been a guinea pig. The tart and citrus acid might be the way too go and I'm thinking local concentrates from the grocery again. If that would be a bad thing to do then someone please chime in and tell me why.

Bovinia...The coconut sounds yummy and is suppose to work in the non-vapor form. I would think that a little coconut and lemon concentrate might help out....just have to try it.

Springbird...nice of you to share that and sorry to hear about your friend. I agree with the sour and it seems as if we all do (well I almost do...in theory...must put it to a test).
just try to set the vision aside for now Hun.



This is what I would like to try:
1. vg/pg and nic juice
2. 5 percent lemon concentrate
3. 5 percent coconut (don't know if they make a concentrate)
4. 10 percent flavoring (not sure what yet, probably a few different trials)
5. 5 percent distilled water.
Question...does anyone make a basic acidic concentrate for cooking and could it be used for mixing and vaping? If they do then this could be the route to take instead.

If I can get some verification on this...that it would be OK to mix and vape then I'm off to the store...
By the way my CA order will be here today..partially.

 

[Bovinia]

Glad your Capella's is finally getting to you, at least part of it. I expected mine today but do dice. I'll get that GB in the mail to you either tomorrow or the next day, I need to pick up some mailers to put it in and the stuff I'm sending to GD. I think I have seen something along the lines of acidic acid somewhere in the gazillion DIY ingredients but can't remember where, and can't tell you if it is really safe to vape. I'll do some more digging and see if I can find any info.

Sorry I wasn't around much tonight...I was in the kitchen doing some real cooking for a change

 

[gingersnaps]

have you tried perfumers apprentice sweat cream? I was on the same search as you till I tried the cream. it adds a sweet creaminess. I am using 1-3% much more tastes like sour milk. but at a low % gives that moistness my diy was missing. if you want I can send you a sample just pm your addy.

 

[Bovinia]

have you tried perfumers apprentice sweat cream? I was on the same search as you till I tried the cream. it adds a sweet creaminess. I am using 1-3% much more tastes like sour milk. but at a low % gives that moistness my diy was missing. if you want I can send you a sample just pm your addy.

Nice suggestion Redfury, I know that Rocky and I both use Capella's vanilla custard in much the same way as you use the sweet cream

I know that each person's tastes are different but I have a few PA flavors and I did not like them at all, so I reordered the same flavors from Capella. But that's just me and my taste preferences

 

[Springbird]

I use PA's Sweet Cream for milk flavor in my Earl Grey Tea mix. It's just like adding milk to tea. I believe that the problem with adding food concentrates is that the natural sugars will toast your atty. People have also posted about sodium not vaporizing and damaging attys. I'm not an atty expert so if someone knows better they can chime in.
My friend got her PET scan results back and it was clear, so we are very happy for her.

 

[Hoosier]

Um, sodium and calcium are metals.
If you were to have straight calcium and let it get moist, touch water, it would release hydrogen and produce calcium hydroxide.

Sodium actually explodes on contact with water. It is fun to play with under certain conditions and is one of those solids that burns in its solid state which is another fun property under certain conditions.

So, again, I just went right on past the saliva part. When use mammals use sodium it is usually in the form of sodium chloride or as most folks call it salt. You don't want salt on your atty. It will gunk it up.

When we take in calcium, it is also part of a compound like calcium chloride, a type of salt, or usually as calcium carbonate which is the stuff in hard water that causes the white scale deposits in the shower. If it does that to a shower, what do you think it would do being boiled in your atty? Yep, gunk it up.

So, I just passed right over the saliva components part because I really don't understand how anything about it is useful for vaping.

If saliva is what you want, the triggering your salivation glands to produce is the direction that makes sense.

And, as mentioned, be careful with extracts and concentrates. I blew a few attys and got no flavor worth a spit experimenting with them.

Lemon concentrate contains sugar. Just like nearly all fruits do. Gums and pectin are also naturally in fruits and the all will gunk up an atty. Nothing I have found will keep the gummy and sugars from killing an atty. Granted, I don't have a real lab, nor an advanced chemistry degree. Just have tried because I'm that guy that when someone says I can't do something, I do it just to confirm that I cannot...

Your experiments are yours and if you do want to go a different way, just keep yourself safe enough to be able to post the results.

 

[Para]

Not sure what you're after here.

Me either....What the heck is "Nom...Nom...Nom"?

 

[Seabrook]

Hi Rockyroad,
Perhaps the problems is with your salivary glands? Try sucking on a slice of lemon sour candies like other posters have mentioned for a week or so and see if that helps gets things going. Perhaps you just have a salivary gland that is bummin, and no matter what you do to your liquid, it won't help until the problem it's fixed. Just an idea.

Parallex2, I almost swatted my screen with a rolled up magazine.

 

[Bovinia]

Me either....What the heck is "Nom...Nom...Nom"?

Nom Nom is our pet name for that perfect juice that gives you the shivers down your spine flavor!! You JUST can't get enough of it, you crave it, you go into the DTs when you can't create it in a recipe

 

[Nikhil]

This is on topic, I swear.

 

[GoodDog]

Oh Nikhil! That was so cute and perfect for this thread!! Thanks.

 

[rockyroad]

Nikhil that was hilarious. I had no idea NOM NOM was so popular. I first heard the term from BeattysGirl on another forum and just put my own spin on it. Nice find!!

 

[Bovinia]

OMG Nikhil, that's IT!! I had no idea that vid existed. I first heard nom nom used in World of Warcraft by some guildies who turned me on to Can I haz cheezburger!! Too funny and great find