How do y'all feel about this law?

[Verb]

So all of you continue to vape juice with Nic because Nic is not addictive.

Yeah..... all i hear is addicts in denial, just like any drug addict.

Im done here.

Nic is addictive. I don't have a problem being an addict as long as I can get my fix. The monkey can be a drag, but overall I enjoy chemical intake. Safer than many other activities I partake in for enjoyment. Many activities are habit forming (particularly chemically altering the brain). Feels good, do it again. And some are down right addictive. So. I'm cool with it.

 

[KGB7]

I didnt ignore them, there is lack of information.

I see that now as well. Thanks.

One last thing. For how long were the subjects monitored after they were no longer given Nicotine.

Not sure however nicotine withdrawal from cigarettes generally starts at about 30 minutes and peaks at three to five days.

This is where we left off. Not enough data.


If you still need Nic in juice, then you are dependent on Nic, just like a drug addict, thats why the cravings get suppressed when you vape juice with Nic. Because thats how addictive chemicals work.

If you or anyone else want live in Denial Land, thats your choice. I suggest the 12 step program.

 

[Oberon75]

6 months on 15mg, constantly with zero withdrawal symptoms = not enough data? You sound like one of the ANTZ.

 

[KGB7]

6 months on 15mg, constantly with zero withdrawal symptoms = not enough data? You sound like one of the ANTZ.

For how long were the subjects monitored after they were no longer given Nicotine???

 

[skoony]

So all of you continue to vape juice with Nic because Nic is not addictive.

Yeah..... all i hear is addicts in denial, just like any drug addict.

Im done here.

i have not said that.
for me personally it doesn't matter one way or another how
and or why and how much nicotine is addictive.
i smoked for 38 years,2 packs or more a day at the end.
now i vape. i believe vaping is 98% safer than smoking.
statistically that means its safer than some tap water can be said to be.
as nicotine in the form of vaping is nearly harmless i do not consider it
to be an addiction in the classical sense.
now if its true nicotine use is non-addicting for those that have never used tobacco
products it changes the whole political landscape.
if the FDA comes down hard with their regulations it will ultimately
be because of the ANTZ argument that nicotine is so terribly addictive
and will enslave all the chillin' to a life time of misery.
this is a very important distinction if the addicting chillin' argument
gets thrown out there is no real evidence that vaping will cause any
serious harm at all. certainly no more than drinking coffee.
but as i say i smoked for 38 years so i can not tell you
what nicotine does from a personal perspective.
i quit smoking because i have the desire of living long
enough to become a burden on society.
regards
mike

 

[Verb]

Not just like a drug addict. Nicotine is a drug. Smokers and nic vapers are drug addicts. But, that's not a big deal. People have been using chemicals and becoming addicts since the time of enlightenment. We've been getting along just fine till folks started getting righteous.

 

[Spidey2011]

So all of you continue to vape juice with Nic because Nic is not addictive.

Yeah..... all i hear is addicts in denial, just like any drug addict.

Im done here.

I use high nic juice because I like the throat hit. Not because I have to. I've vaped 0mg as well, but I prefer that harsh hit over the flavor. It has nothing to do with "needing" nicotine for me. Hell yesterday I made it past noon before I even realized that I hadn't vaped yet. Lol.

 

[Oberon75]

For how long were the subjects monitored after they were no longer given Nicotine???

Knowing the addiction of cigarettes, how long do they need to be? Cravings are almost instant and that is science.

But with everything we have debated about in this thread, your bias has made you move your goal posts at least five times already. You say something, I prove it wrong and you either flip flop it or move on to something else.

The ANTZ and government obviously have you brainwashed and much of this reminds me of the old pot propaganda used to discriminate against people during a racist era in this country as well as save the paper industry from that evil fiber called hemp.

 

[KGB7]

Knowing the addiction of cigarettes, how long do they need to be? Cravings are almost instant and that is science.

But with everything we have debated about in this thread, your bias has made you move your goal posts at least five times already. You say something, I prove it wrong and you either flip flop it or move on to something else.

The ANTZ and government obviously have you brainwashed and much of this reminds me of the old pot propaganda used to discriminate against people during a racist era in this country as well as save the paper industry from that evil fiber called hemp.

Spend some time in AA or CA meetings, then talk to me about science. Until then you got squat of proof, because you couldn't even answer my last question with "Science".



Cravings are almost instant?

Not sure however nicotine withdrawal from cigarettes generally starts at about 30 minutes and peaks at three to five days.

Have your self a good day.

 

[Oberon75]

Spend some time in AA or CA meetings, then talk to me about science. Until then you got squat of proof, because you couldn't even answer my last question with "Science".



Cravings are almost instant?




Have your self a good day.

Show me a single person in one of these meetings or elsewhere addicted to nicotine without ever using tobacco. Just one.

I have something else for you though before you go.

"Studies have shown that none of the nicotine replacement therapies - chewing gum, inhalers, patches - none of those are addictive. Nicotine is not addictive. The cause of addiction is the release of monoamine oxidase inhibitors, or MAOIs, along with nicotine."
- Prof Peter Killeen
Emeritus Professor of Psychology, ASU
http://www.statepress.com/archive/node/7194

 

[AndriaD]

So you dont get to use me as an example.

And you don't get to use yourself as a sample representing anything but yourself, for 2 excellent reasons:

1) you're a former smoker. So you cannot use yourself as any kind of basis for anything to do with "never smokers" or "never tobacco users";

2) you're a sample size of ONE. Not representative in any significant way of anything. There ARE those people who never suffer withdrawal from smoking; I'm married to one. So whether you need it or not, even as a former smoker yourself, means nothing for the larger group.

You really need to go read E-Cigarette Politics before you continue spouting all this about nicotine, because to those of us who HAVE read it, you seem entirely uninformed on the subject of nicotine. One of the Admins here is the author (rolygate), and he is quite well-read and well-informed on the subject.

Andria

 

[KGB7]

Show me a single person in one of these meetings or elsewhere addicted to nicotine without ever using tobacco. Just one.

I have something else for you though before you go.

"Studies have shown that none of the nicotine replacement therapies - chewing gum, inhalers, patches - none of those are addictive. Nicotine is not addictive. The cause of addiction is the release of monoamine oxidase inhibitors, or MAOIs, along with nicotine."
- Prof Peter Killeen
Emeritus Professor of Psychology, ASU
Professor: Nicotine does not cause cigarette addiction | The State Press - An independent daily serving Arizona State University

AA and CA has nothing to do with smoking. Its about ..... wait for it........... Additcion!







ROFL... thats one persons hypothesis. You prematurely shot your load buddy.

While nicotine affects the release of dopamine, or the “reward hormone” that affects emotions and movement, MAOIs help regulate dopamine levels, Killeen said.
“When you put together something that directly releases dopamine and another thing that helps the brain clean up excess dopamine, you’ve got a one-two punch,” he said. “It is my hypothesis that it’s a combination of nicotine with some of these other chemicals that causes the powerful addiction.
Many people are hesitant to accept the research’s implications, but Killeen said his hypothesis is hard to deny.

ASU Director of Campus Health Services Allan Markus said it would take a thorough clinical trial to further prove Killeen’s hypothesis.

 

[englishmick]

I've quit for months at a time in the past and the cravings never fully went away. Some nights, the cravings were hell even months later. Which is why I always went back to cigarettes. I also know people who quit completely, 10 years ago who still experience cigarette cravings.

My father told me a story about a guy he worked with who quit for 10 years. This was back in the 60's. He stopped half way through a packet, and carried the half empty packet around in his coat pocket the whole time, and showed it to people. A few of them were out having a drink after work one night and for no particular reason he pulled out the packet and lit one up. It burned right up because it was so dried out, but he went straight to the bar and bought another pack like he had never even stopped.

That's what they say about drinkers too. It never really goes away. It's always waiting to sneak up on you if you let your guard down. I think vaping gives you a buffer. If you have one of those moments you don't have to slip all the way back to cigarettes.

 

[KGB7]

And you don't get to use yourself as a sample representing anything but yourself, for 2 excellent reasons:

1) you're a former smoker. So you cannot use yourself as any kind of basis for anything to do with "never smokers" or "never tobacco users";

2) you're a sample size of ONE. Not representative in any significant way of anything. There ARE those people who never suffer withdrawal from smoking; I'm married to one. So whether you need it or not, even as a former smoker yourself, means nothing for the larger group.

You really need to go read E-Cigarette Politics before you continue spouting all this about nicotine, because to those of us who HAVE read it, you seem entirely uninformed on the subject of nicotine. One of the Admins here is the author (rolygate), and he is quite well-read and well-informed on the subject.

Andria

And many people are not addicted to Alcohol and many are.



You missed this one.

Is Nicotine Addictive ?

Is Nicotine 'Addictive' ?
Possibly - and possibly not. Nobody really knows, as there has never been any research (in humans).


What do clinical trials of nicotine tell us?
Nothing. There aren't any.

 

[Oberon75]

AA and CA has nothing to do with smoking. Its about ..... wait for it........... Additcion!







ROFL... thats one persons hypothesis. You prematurely shot your load buddy.

"There is very little to no evidence for the abuse of nicotine when not delivered in a tobacco vehicle."
- Prof K Fagerstrom
http://nicotinepolicy.net/karl-fagerstrom/520-dependence-on-tobacco-and-nicotine

 

[WillyZee]

the grouping of vaping in with smoking has nothing to do with health ... it has everything to do with taxes being put on vaping

future studies will prove ... vaping is not nearly addictive as smoking ... and, second hand vape is about as harmful as a fart

 

[Oberon75]

And many people are not addicted to Alcohol and many are.



You missed this one.

Is Nicotine Addictive ?

Is Nicotine 'Addictive' ?
Possibly - and possibly not. Nobody really knows, as there has never been any research (in humans).


What do clinical trials of nicotine tell us?
Nothing. There aren't any.

Umm we went over one just last night. That's right. Inconclusive because you say so.

 

[KGB7]

"There is very little to no evidence for the abuse of nicotine when not delivered in a tobacco vehicle."
- Prof K Fagerstrom
Dependence on tobacco and nicotine - Nicotine Science and Policy

As much as there is a continuum of harm with pure nicotine products on one end and cigarettes in the other, these studies suggest that it is easier to stop using some nicotine products than others and that there seems to be a continuum of dependence. This would place traditional cigarettes at one end and the pure nicotine products (and particularly nicotine patches) at the other end of the continuum (Fagerstrom& Eissenberg 2012).

 

[KGB7]

Umm we went over one just last night. That's right. Inconclusive because you say so.

Wasnt talking to you on that one. So slow down cowboy.

 

[bluecat]

In outdoor spaces, I believe one should be able to smoke or vape if one chooses to do so. In indoor spaces it should be up to the owner of the space. It is over regulation at its finest. I could go out on a tangent about the fiefdom coming to the US, but I won't.

By the way, I am 50ish and love Gobstoppers and Ester Price chocolates. My toothpaste has mint in it and my Listerine has orange flavoring.