How do you view our situation?

[DC2]

There are attacks against electronic cigarettes from all sides.

There are many entities with a lot of money riding on this issue.
--Big Government will lose tax dollars in the form of reduced cigarette sales.
--Big Tobacco will lose business in the form of reduced cigarette sales.
--Big Phamacy will lose business in the form of reduced NRT sales.

There is a case pending for Smoking Everywhere/NJoy vs the FDA.
This case will go a long way in deciding the fate of the electronic cigarette.

Will it be regulated as a drug delivery device?
Will it be regulated as a tobacco product?

Will common sense prevail and a "Reduced Harm" category be established for regulatory purposes?


If the are regulated as drug delivery devices, expect a ban until someone with big money steps up to satisfy the expensive and lengthy FDA approval process.

If they are regulated as a tobacco product, expect flavors to disappear perhaps, along with maybe a significant reduction in the available strengths of nicotine juice, and perhaps even tamper proof cartridges along with banning juice not used in such a cartridge.

So, what are your thoughts?

 

[Jimmy_2k9]

The devices themselves will likely never face any kind of ban. If I can buy a ..../pipe/bowl for use with tobacco when everyone knows damn good and well its meant for pot, These devices will likely always be available, IMO.

The juice can be made multiple ways from products already approved by the FDA and whatnot, so regardless of what happens, I'll be vaping as long as I chose to.

The Government to be is a very twisted system, logic being the last thing used by those in power, things that can help us have been always will be hard to maintain.

I think e-cigs sit in the same boat as pot does right about now. With pot being on the verge of legalization, one may never really know what comes of this, until it happens.

One person I think has good views on this is BigjimW, as the best thing for us is for it to be in the same category as Tobacco products. The who E-NI (electronic nicotine enhaler) re-labeling thing done by some company's, makes it seen like more of a medical device and could lead to it being treated as such. Doing so, could lead to us needing a prescription to use the things.

Things I've seen like cartoon-ish labels on products and the fruity flavors could work against us also. You know how they like to play the kiddie card on these types of things.

I think it will be an up-hill battle for the most part, but those that chose to vape will find their ways regardless of what is done about it.

 

[DC2]

The devices themselves will likely never face any kind of ban. If I can buy a ..../pipe/bowl for use with tobacco when everyone knows damn good and well its meant for pot, These devices will likely always be available, IMO.

I often post against this sentiment, although I understand it.
But it isn't true.

I live in Vista, California, which is in San Diego county and is in the northern part of the region.

They have made recent sweeps through the "tobacco" stores in the area and confiscated all of the "paraphernalia" such as bongs and everything related to illegal habits.

They did it because they could.
They did it because some people somewhere wanted them to.

Do you think for a moment that Big Tobacco, Big Pharma, and Big Government won't "want them to" get rid of any and all available devices that enable us to vape?

If it is the law, and someone with enough money wants it to happen...

 

[keyzygirl]

They will find a way to regulate nic.Im sure.

 

[nicotime]

They will find a way to regulate nic.Im sure.

Yep...Bank on it....but go down fighting.

 

[xRIPCITYx]

even with a ban wouldn't it still be pretty easy to just keep ordering online?

 

[Bigmac00]

IMO, the people that need to start getting aggressive with a public awareness campaign are the people with the most logical vested interest: The manufacturer's, distributors, and the capital investors participating in the launching of e-cig companies and their products.

After all, the smoke/carbon monoxide/tar/poisonous additive-related problems are abated by this invention. Isn't that what all the smokers want? The habit without an early death from lung cancer? Isn't that what all the non-smokers want for the world? An absolute absence of stinky, cancer causing smoke.

Doesn't the "Anti-Cigarette" camp want to get rid of dangerous smoke? Dangerous 2nd-hand smoke? The risk of accidental fires? Littering on the highway? Smoking related health care costs? Minors exposed to smoke in their homes and their parents' cars? Lung cancer?

Can I get a witness? How about an amen?

Seriously, people, you WIN! We're on YOUR side now. We agree with your opinions about smoke. We agree with your opinions about second-hand smoke. We don't want cancer. We don't want our children to breathe, smell, or even see smoke. WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT. So now that he have an answer, through creative technology, can't we just be happy about it?

Do the Zealots, the government, the health care industry, the FDA, and all humanitarians out there REALLY want me to live a long, healthy, happy, smokeless life? Or do they just like having a list of "not-allowed-to's" to support their pathetic need for the justification of their fragile, elitist, "I'm better than everyone else" existence?

I didn't write this eloquently, I know. Kind of a rant. The companies involved in this new industry should be acting on their motivation to see their business model last. I didn't even find out about e-cigs until 3 weeks ago. The current awareness campaign is weak.

I am vaping in the office where I work as a supervisor, and planting the seeds of awareness. It's not for kids. But it can be a lifesaver for every smoker out there, because we aren't just addicted to nicotine. We are addicted to the act of smoking. Now you can have nic, cut down on nic, or eliminate nic, without giving up the act.

Spread the word.

 

[lightinup]

AMEN!

 

[CaptJay]

IMO, the people that need to start getting aggressive with a public awareness campaign are the people with the most logical vested interest: The manufacturer's, distributors, and the capital investors participating in the launching of e-cig companies and their products.

After all, the smoke/carbon monoxide/tar/poisonous additive-related problems are abated by this invention. Isn't that what all the smokers want? The habit without an early death from lung cancer? Isn't that what all the non-smokers want for the world? An absolute absence of stinky, cancer causing smoke.

Doesn't the "Anti-Cigarette" camp want to get rid of dangerous smoke? Dangerous 2nd-hand smoke? The risk of accidental fires? Littering on the highway? Smoking related health care costs? Minors exposed to smoke in their homes and their parents' cars? Lung cancer?

Can I get a witness? How about an amen?

Seriously, people, you WIN! We're on YOUR side now. We agree with your opinions about smoke. We agree with your opinions about second-hand smoke. We don't want cancer. We don't want our children to breathe, smell, or even see smoke. WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT. So now that he have an answer, through creative technology, can't we just be happy about it?

Do the Zealots, the government, the health care industry, the FDA, and all humanitarians out there REALLY want me to live a long, healthy, happy, smokeless life? Or do they just like having a list of "not-allowed-to's" to support their pathetic need for the justification of their fragile, elitist, "I'm better than everyone else" existence?

I didn't write this eloquently, I know. Kind of a rant. The companies involved in this new industry should be acting on their motivation to see their business model last. I didn't even find out about e-cigs until 3 weeks ago. The current awareness campaign is weak.

I am vaping in the office where I work as a supervisor, and planting the seeds of awareness. It's not for kids. But it can be a lifesaver for every smoker out there, because we aren't just addicted to nicotine. We are addicted to the act of smoking. Now you can have nic, cut down on nic, or eliminate nic, without giving up the act.

Spread the word.

IMO - no they dont want us to live smokeless lives at all - we pay too much in tax for them to EVER want this. They want to keep us marginalised, yes, but smoke free no.
If they DID, tobacco would be an A class prohibted drug. Available with prescription but otherwise illegal to possess and distribute.
There are differences between nic and A classes - nic has been legal for a long time. To make it not so, now after all this time, would be (my non smoking partner maintains) akin to the prohibition laws of the 30s with alcohol. Maybe he is right, but we dont live in the 1930s now. Gangsters don't control tobacco (thats another argument for anyone about to disagree lol).
If tobacco was banned tomorrow tax revenue would plummet, the job market would be awash with people from the industry, it wouldn't be pretty. Even a phased removal would have economic consequences.
Anti-smoking lobbies 'might' want us smoke free but they actually want us 'nic free' too. They don't want us taking short cuts they dont want us to enjoy a substitute. They want us to go their way or no way at all.
Some of the more rabid ones would quite like to stone us in the streets if it was legal I'm sure. If tobacco was banned tomorrow they'd have no-one to hate.
I sound bitter right? lol Its from being a smoker for 20 years and learning that prejudice isn't confined to skin color.

 

[Dudeman]

Some of the more rabid ones would quite like to stone us in the streets if it was legal I'm sure. If tobacco was banned tomorrow they'd have no-one to hate..

They'd find someone, I'm sure of that.

Edit: No choice for Bacon in the poll?

 

[Friar Tuck]

Never Retreat. Never Surrender.

 

[otter]

I don't give it much thought whatever happens, it's far too easy to buy everything online, heck you can make your own boxes and juice if it comes down to it. When I was smoking full time, I made my own cigarettes, and also ordered from overseas. I don't much care for exorbitant taxes just because I have 'bad habits'.
I do believe though, that there is strength in numbers. It's harder to outlaw something that everyone is doing. Prohibition of course is a fine example. Even jaywalking, once a crime, albeit a pretty silly one, is gone and now there are pedestrian crosswalks all over the roads (at least around here). Anyway, I guess we'll see, but I for one will keep on no matter who says it's good or bad, right or wrong.

 

[pianoguy]

I voted that we need to grow our numbers, and thus, awareness. It would seem in the government's best interest to:

a). Keep taxpayers alive longer
b). Find new tax revenue streams
c). Reduce long-term healthcare costs

The e-cig has the potential to deliver on all 3 of those, provided that we have enough growth.

 

[basic_atheist]

There is power in numbers. Introduce vaping to all of your smoking friends and relatives. The faster the conversion rate, the higher the commercial interest will become. Federal Reserve Bankers see power in the masses too and they are the ones who really run the world. As long as the dollar is in circulation, they have power! Big tobacco will have no other choice but to upgrade to e-cig technology and get on board. You have to pull the right strings to get anything done these days. Turn your rich enemies into your rich friends. Running and crying to the government without an open checkbook is a big fat joke, but at least it makes you feel like you're doing something... right? Sure, your voice can be heard, but it becomes even louder when you use the "Money God!"

 

[eikon]

the poll missing an option, "We have the truth on our side and Big Gov does not care"

we do have the truth on our side, but, what difference does that make i think it is fairly apparent that nobody in government gives a flying frack abut things like "truth" or "facts" they are going to do what makes them and there friends most $$$.

 

[smokin n jokin]

I don't think the government will ban it, I think they will regulate it and tax it into oblivion like they just did with stuff your own and roll your own tobacco. The less exposure PV gets the better off we are. Best to stay under the radar and not attract the attention of the taxman.

 

[Col. Gaunt]

Where there is a will there is a way!

VAPE ON!

 

[Idaho Ron]

As long as there is 1 State that allows vaping we will be able to order what we want, in a plane wraper. I hope.

 

[nubee]

On line, tax "free" analogs hit the web a few years back and NYC stopped all fedex/ups shipping into the state because they wanted "their" money.

They will find a way to clamp down on this and I really don't think even a million vapor march would get our point across.

 

[AmyB66]

We just need to increase our numbers so we can pay them off just like big pharma did with the health care bill.