How does a "new" person complian about a supplier?

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Hoosier

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Thank you for keeping the conversation going and for explaining Voltage/Ohms. I appreciate it.

My consistency issue is flavor, vapor production, and throat hit.

The flavor issue I understand to be a problem with whicking. This is more of a problem with cartridges/tanks. But less so with the cartomizers.

The throat hit is the amount of heat. But what seems to get me is the variations voltage one gets depending on battery life. I have seen a ton of posts explaining how "when your battery level is X your voltage is actually Y as opposed to what it's rated at" The source of my skepticism is mostly that I like the tanks - because the run less hot than the other options. Further, a number of heavier hitting models simply don't do it for me.

Vapor Production, from my understanding, is more dependent on juice than anything else. Is that right?
All of this is making me wish I had started participating much sooner.

Ah, yes, there is alot here you're asking about. I doubt I will cover it well, but ....

Flavor is due to the juice, heat of coil, wicking ability of the atty/carto, and your nose. Sometimes it seems as if you have everything else dialed in, the nose goes and you have to start over again. One of the reasons I went to variable voltage mods is that I can change the heat of the coil to match the juice/flavor I have. And I make my own juice to eliminate the other variable. I also use fairly non-typical attys with drip tips to keep wicking issues from crimping my flavor.

Vapor production is also due to juice, heat of coil, and wicking ability of the atty/carto. Some flavorings increase and some decrease vapor production. VG and other things can be added to the juice to increase the vapor for those flavorings that decrease it. I've never tried to make a low vapor juice, so I don't go there.

Throat hit is due to juice flavorings, heat of coil, and nicotine level of the juice mostly. Grab a lime flavored juice and compare it to the throat hit of a vanilla at the same mg level, battery charge, and atty/carto if you don't believe that flavorings can impact TH.

Batteries are a funny thing to most folks, but they behave in certain ways. Add in the MOSFET connections many of the standard production batteries use to transfer power to the threads and it does get very confusing. A Li-Ion cell usually charges to 4.2 V and is called a 3.7V cell. An 808 type production battery uses the MOSFETs to output 3.7V, while a Joye production battery will output 3.2V with the same Li-Ion cell, but a different MOSFET interface.

Maybe your tank's vape is cooled by the surrounding juice, so you get a cooler, less TH, hit than you do with a carto? I find tanks to be fussy things that work great, sometimes, and not great at all othertimes. I don't want to deal with it, but do like the concept.

You are participating now. Soon enough you will know much more than I and can tell me everything I have wrong. (Vape is a personal thing too...)
 

rkg

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A true passthrough will indeed be 4.8 - 5V, as it just passes through the USB voltage (wires run through the tube to the connector). Key to them is having a good 2A USB power supply -- I like the $10 IQ Dual USB 2A (Walmart online, $10), which can be used with down to a 2.5 ohm carto.

A regular PC USB is bad to use with a true PT -- it might take out the PC or power supply in the event of a short, and most PCs don't really have enough current capacity on their USB ports. You have voltage sag, over stress components, to drive the PT.

Word. I have killed at least two USB ports this way.

Thanks for all the info. I am not quite following the Walmart battery paragraph. But, I will read it a few more times and see if it gets better.
 

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Vapor production is a few things but yeah a lot of it does have to with the mix of the juice (PG/VG ratio), but also the power running to the atty and if it is in a tank or carto.

You get more vapor with a higher VG but since you are looking for a heavy throat hit it does tend to reduce the throat hit. Might have to try to find a middle ground you like with the juice.

As for flavor shifts, the juice tends to breathe like a wine does. It mellows a little with age.
 

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The Walmart item is: Walmart.com: iQ-Power Dual USB AC Power Adapter: iPods & MP3 Players

You can have them deliver it to a local Walmart to save on S&H.

It's a true 2A USB power supply, no issue putting out a full 2A, enough to drive your passthrough even with a 2.5 ohm carto on it; you would get a full 10W of power. (5x5/2.5). For most eliquids that will be a bit too much kick, that's where a higher ohm carto, like 3 ohms, can be nice. I used a simple PT with that power supply for many months at work, all day vaping.

A PT with good USB power supply gives you a taste of HV. If you try it and go "I like it", that's a good decision point on whether to buy a good VV unit, which can do both high voltage as well as providing you the ability to change the voltage to adjust the power without having to change cartos.
 

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That's a shame rkg as I've had good dealings with them previously. Judging by your behaviour here I believe evrything you have posted in the Negative Reviews Section. I've noticed, just lately, many Ecig Vendors not replying promptly to customer complaints. Thank you very much for your post aand I'm going to have to seriuosly rethink about ordering from them again. Hoping someone responds and resolves the issue.
Thanks again, Vapoor.

Edit: To Hoosier: I'll never forget when a noob accused you of bad biz dealings because of your nick...still LOL over that one.
 
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rkg

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Vapor production is...
As for flavor shifts, the juice tends to breathe like a wine does. It mellows a little with age.

Wolf, I don't know if you play guitar, but I do. I have to say, getting the perfect flavor/consistency seems very similar to the Holy Grail of finding the perfect tone. I usually do 555 and then some berry thing for fun. But, I just got like 8 different types of "Butter/toffee + a little nutty" from MV and I am all "Who new there was so much variety?"- They aren't even a specialty place, I don't think. Between everything that's out there and DIY, I am a little blown away by how nuanced and demanding everyone's pallet seems to get with these. Thanks for offering your $.02, it was helpful.
 

rkg

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Ah, yes, there is alot here you're asking about. Batteries are a funny thing to most folks, but they behave in certain ways. Add in the MOSFET connections many of the standard production batteries use to transfer power to the threads and it does get very confusing. A Li-Ion cell usually charges to 4.2 V and is called a 3.7V cell. An 808 type production battery uses the MOSFETs to output 3.7V, while a Joye production battery will output 3.2V with the same Li-Ion cell, but a different MOSFET interface.

This made no sense to me. Because everything else did, I assume this is an articulate description about Batteries effect flavor. I ma have to trust you on that. But, I will endeavor to learn more about this thing you call MOSFET and get back to you when I can ask you something meaningful. Thanks, you.:blush:
 

rkg

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That's a shame rkg as I've had good dealings with them previously.
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I know, I loved some of their products and thought they had fast shipping. This whole thing has totally hurt my feelings. Cause, even if this gets resolved, I would never order from them again. And I totally want to order from them again.:facepalm:
 

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The throat hit is the amount of heat. But what seems to get me is the variations voltage one gets depending on battery life. I have seen a ton of posts explaining how "when your battery level is X your voltage is actually Y as opposed to what it's rated at" The source of my skepticism is mostly that I like the tanks - because the run less hot than the other options. Further, a number of heavier hitting models simply don't do it for me.

Vapor Production, from my understanding, is more dependent on juice than anything else. Is that right?
All of this is making me wish I had started participating much sooner.

You might want to check out this thread I posted a year ago. Lots of good discussion in the responses.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...e-wanted-know-plus-bit-electronic-theory.html
 

Vapoor eyes er

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Well it's a fairly simple solution for me based on their response. They have lost all mine and my friends business. The bottom line rkg is you are a class act and that was extremely obvious in your correspondence with the company. A very calm and detailed factual response from you and I'm so sorry the issue was not resolved.
 
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