HOW has the Provari not been cloned?

[p.opus]

Have a Provari and had an MVP. The MVP was ugly, bulky and cheap feeling and totally turned me off on box mods. Charge your cell phone with your vape? No thanks, don't care, it's gimmicky at best. I don't need a Swiss Army knife, jack of all trades, master of none device. I'd rather my cell phone die before my vapestick. I gave the MVP to a new vapor to get him started and never missed it.

Provari is a tank and built to last. If your happy with your whatever, then more power to ya.
I didn't buy the Provari as some form of status symbol, I bought it because I wanted a rock solid vapestick that was the best at what it does, which it is.
VV vs VW? Don't know, don't care, I never tried VW as I went from my Ego starter kit to a Provari to mechanicals.
No desire for a ZNA or any other regulated mods since I have my Provari and it doesn't do much now except checks for shorts and measures ohms any ways. It just sits in my rack but it ain't going anywhere.
You think your device is better, I think mine is.
Can't we all just get along?

Never said mine is better. On the Contrary. None of my devices have the build quality of the ProVari. My daily drivers are my MVP's. I purchased the V3 recently as a backup to the MVP's because I wanted an inexpensive replaceable battery backup and while I was at it picked up two HCigar Kayfun clones to see what the fuss was about. Now I know.....Incredible vape.

Of course I busted my vape budget on the V3 and the two Kayfuns.

Next up is a ProVari class mod. My choices are the XPV, ProVari, and Itaste 134 Mini. In that order. The 134 mini looks cool but it doesn't have some features I would like. The ProVari is missing VW, but with my Kayfuns, VW is much less important than when I was swapping out Mini Protanks. The XPV has EVERYTHING I'm looking for. Convenient on device charging, via USB, Variable Wattage and Voltage, high quality build and User replaceable battery.

I just hope the proposed Hawaii legislation doesn't shut them down

 

[DPLongo22]

I truly only care about why one person vapes. My stepdaughter LOVES her Evods. And I love them strictly because she does. In fact, I gave her the four Evod batteries that I had too.

Blu was utterly useless for me. But if someone I love is vaping them, instead of smoking, then I'd love THEM too.

Vapor Trails.

Tap, tap, tap... Talk.

 

[Susan W.]

That's what's so funny about these threads. It doesn't matter what another person vapes with. If Ocey wants to vape with a Bobo lamp, that's fine with me.

 

[Smoot]

I am not dispelling your experience. My experience with a ProVari was trying someone elses.

However, I am aware of a significant placebo effect that occurs in which people automatically assume something is better because they paid more for it or it's a well recognized brand.

There is something to be said for the fact that you KNOW going in, you are vaping a ProVari, you expect it to be better, and so it becomes a self fulfilling condition.

My MVP has the a flat signal like the ProVari. My V3 is a 33hz chipset. And quite frankly I can't taste the difference. I paid the same amount for the MVP and the V3. I did see the reviews on each, so I knew going in that the MVP had the "flat signal" that everyone says is better. Yet I could not tell a difference at all.

Like I said, it would be interesting if a double blind "taste" test were performed where the only thing that changed was the mod, and the taster had no idea which product they were vaping.

That's not going to happen of course....

But of all the over $100.00 devices I might be looking to buy, the ProVari is on a very short list for me (Protovapor XPV, ProVari, iTaste 134 mini.)

See, I didn't have a placebo effect, because I got mine due to its reliability. At the time nobody was saying it vaped better and I just got tired of things breaking to frequently.
I stared noticing a difference when I would get another VV device and just felt it was lacking something. At the time I didn't really know what it was exactly, but perfered the Provari time and again.
And not a price tag placebo either. I could care less about the price. If it works, it works. Don't care if its ugly, expensive, cheap, VV, VW, at the end of the day, what works best, wins!!
The only thing that made me put the Provari away for a while was a $20 mech clone with an $10 RDA.

 

[zapped]

At this point an APV that doesn't offer ego/510 threading nor offers a wattage setting is kind of pointless. Provape seriously needs to update the Provari with modern features for the China manufacturers to even start thinking about cloning it.

Most vapers I know, and Ive been around for awhile, have long since moved past anything Ego. Its okay if you havent gotten there yet or even if you like where your at now but that one statement completely invalidated your entire argument.

 

[jrs99]

Never said mine is better. On the Contrary. None of my devices have the build quality of the ProVari. My daily drivers are my MVP's. I purchased the V3 recently as a backup to the MVP's because I wanted an inexpensive replaceable battery backup and while I was at it picked up two HCigar Kayfun clones to see what the fuss was about. Now I know.....Incredible vape.

Of course I busted my vape budget on the V3 and the two Kayfuns.

Next up is a ProVari class mod. My choices are the XPV, ProVari, and Itaste 134 Mini. In that order. The 134 mini looks cool but it doesn't have some features I would like. The ProVari is missing VW, but with my Kayfuns, VW is much less important than when I was swapping out Mini Protanks. The XPV has EVERYTHING I'm looking for. Convenient on device charging, via USB, Variable Wattage and Voltage, high quality build and User replaceable battery.

I just hope the proposed Hawaii legislation doesn't shut them down

I was more generally speaking, not going after you or anyone in particular. I only used the MVP as that's the only other regulated that I have any experience with. I've never seen an XPV so I don't know anything about it. The 134 is that huge light saber thing no?
I'm a minimalist so for me mechanicals are where my heart is. But I do still have a soft spot for the Provari.
I won't even get on my clone/counterfeit soap box for this thread

 

[zapped]

[QUOTE =Smoot;12317477 ]See, I didn't have a placebo effect, because I got mine due to its reliability. At the time nobody was saying it vaped better and I just got tired of things breaking to frequently.
I stared noticing a difference when I would get another VV device and just felt it was lacking something. At the time I didn't really know what it was exactly, but perfered the Provari time and again.
And not a price tag placebo either. I could care less about the price. If it works, it works. Don't care if its ugly, expensive, cheap, VV, VW, at the end of the day, what works best, wins!!
The only thing that made me put the Provari away for a while was a $20 mech clone with an $10 RDA.[/QUOTE]

Practically the same story here.

My first e-cig was a crappy kr808d and then I moved on to a 901 and fell off the wagon for a couple of years.

When I came back I got a Provari thanks to great advice from El Mattias and Baditude. I was looking for a rock-solid dependable mod, not the best vape EVARGHH!!!

Fast forward to 8 months later and I win an absolutely gorgeous one-of-a-kind Phiniac box mod that sells for 200+ dollars. Couldnt wait to try it out and had no preconceived notion since it was only my second mod ever.

After trying it for the first time, with my ADV and set at the voltage I like, I noticed a difference. I continued vaping then unscrewed the carto tank from the box mod and tried it on the Provari. Did this a couple of times, swapping back and forth and the box mod was no comparison.

It sat in a drawer for 5 months before I sold it to a friend. If there was any credence to the "preconceived notion" story I should have favored the more expensive box mod but I didnt.

Must be more to it than that........also those saying they tried their friends Provari for all of what 3 puffs?, maybe 5 minutes at the longest? arent getting the full effect. From the first puff to the very last a Provari hits the same each and every time.

 

[KenD]

No one's forcing you to keep reading them. You're doing that of your own volition. There has been plenty of discussion based on the original question. The discussion has shifted due to the fact that all reasonable suggestions have been made as to why there aren't any 1:1 Provari copies out there and the fact that people love to hate the Provari and Provari owners.

The Provari is explicitly mentioned in the title of the op, but I do feel that the discussion would be more interesting without the pro-/anti-provari swamp that it's been dragged into. I'm not at all interested in that pissing contest, and I think there are enough of those threads. Vv(and vw) mods aren't really cloned, that was my point, and why that is what I find interesting. A device that looks exactly like the provari could easily be made. It would not be as well built as a PV nor function as well, that's a no-brainer and not really in need of discussion, but why has a 1 to 1 provari look alike never been produced?

EDIT: and yes, It bothers me that no real, serious, adult conversation can be had when it comes to the provari in comparison to other devices, and that goes to both "camps". It's either "the PV cannot have any flaws" or "the PV is ugly, overpriced, and outdated". I really think we would be better off with more level-headed discussion (and that's why I lost my cool in my earlier post, sorry for that, though I'm not really sorry).

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[jwoode]

Isn't the Provari named after that evil Italian vampire cult in that weird movie my kids made me watch?

 

[KenD]

Isn't the Provari named after that evil Italian vampire cult in that weird movie my kids made me watch?

I'm waiting for the Cthulhu mod

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[rastapete69]

I liken my Provari to my Harley in many respects.

The price made me pause
I'm constantly reminded of Asian models with more features at half the price,
I'm accused of buying into a cult,
I never looked back after the purchase.

I imagine a clone would be possible, but the customer service would break the deal.

Vape what you like. I know I will.

 

[vapomike]

Most vapers I know, and Ive been around for awhile, have long since moved past anything Ego. Its okay if you havent gotten there yet or even if you like where your at now but that one statement completely invalidated your entire argument.

I actually don't use the ego threading 95% of the time... Yet I understand the popularity of the threading and what if the next tank comes out that I want to try is ego threaded. Yeah I could use an adapter, but as said before I don't use the ego threading often so it would likely end up lost. I don't want my new tank to come in and be like dang I got to run to the store. To only hope they have it in stock and don't have to end up ordering it online. I'll just get the tank and screw it on. So, yes a modern apv will take into consideration that the 510 connection isn't the lone connection and offer the most connectability stock. Like I said I did take a fall off the vape wagon and when I came back the Provari was one of the first mods I looked at. I was actually dumbfounded at how little they had changed. I understand sticking with what works, but as things change you have to progress. I've seen very little innovation from provape and that is disappointing because of the outstanding quality that they built one of the early VV devices with initially.

 

[HawaiiVPR]

Hawaii wasn't wondering if Provape would sell the chipset. He was wondering if selling it would be "a hit" for Provape. And chuckie's response was an implied, 'I don't think so' with his comment about the limited underpowered chip. Seems pretty clear.

Yeah, I was wondering because among the regulated PV's (with exception of the DNA) general consensus places the Provape chipset above the rest. So with that said, I was also curious if there are modders out there that might prefer a VV over VW, or maybe not, hence why I brought it up.

Do I think the Provape chip is underpowered? For the users of that device, probably not, I'm guessing most tend to stick within 3.8-4.1v and it does what its supposed to do in a very consistent way. For DNA users, probably inadequate given those vapers tend to be within the realm of 15-25W.

So I guess to re-phrase my question, since Provari's and DNA's appeal to two completely different types of vapers, I was just curious to know if there might be a market for Provape chipsets for modders to build their own exterior casings.

 

[jrs99]

EDIT: and yes, It bothers me that no real, serious, adult conversation can be had when it comes to the provari in comparison to other devices, and that goes to both "camps". It's either "the PV cannot have any flaws" or "the PV is ugly, overpriced, and outdated". I really think we would be better off with more level-headed discussion (and that's why I lost my cool in my earlier post, sorry for that, though I'm not really sorry).

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Dude, you ain't kidding! As soon as the P word is mentioned or even insinuated both sides jump in.
Yeah I'm guilty too but it's only because the other side is wrong <---I'm totally being facetious here

 

[KenD]

Dude, you ain't kidding! As soon as the P word is mentioned or even insinuated both sides jump in.
Yeah I'm guilty too but it's only because the other side is wrong <---I'm totally being facetious here

If it was all fun and games I'd be totally fine with it, but it gets so serious (or am I being too serious?). I'd just love to read a thread that would actually have something substantial to offer. I think everyone would benefit from that.

But to get into the spirit of the thread, the SVD is obviously superior due to something something

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[jrs99]

It pretty much boils down to fact that we are all passionate about our vape.

Now let's all just pass the peace pipe... As long as it's a Provari!

 

[jd1978]

May have something to do with us patent laws. I notice most clones are of Chinese or other foreign made mods. I may be wrong tho.

 

[KenD]

May have something to do with us patent laws. I notice most clones are of Chinese or other foreign made mods. I may be wrong tho.

It still seems to me that there are very few actual clones of any vv/vw mods, Chinese or otherwise

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[Coelli]

If it was all fun and games I'd be totally fine with it, but it gets so serious (or am I being too serious?). I'd just love to read a thread that would actually have something substantial to offer. I think everyone would benefit from that.

I agree. I NEVER EVER talk about other people's choice of mod. Vape whatever you want and whatever makes you happy. But for some reason as soon as Provari is mentioned here come the detractors. It's ugly, it's outdated, it's overpriced, people only buy them for status, because they're snobs, because they think it's magical, etc. etc. I would say I don't understand how some folks feel it's okay to put down other people's choice of vape (especially when many of them admit they have never tried one), but yeah, I do understand - it's the Greater Internet ****wad Theory in action.

All I can say is that from the minute I bought mine until now, every single hit has been consistently great. All I ever do is change the battery when it needs it - and I don't know it needs it until it tells me, I can't tell by the way it vapes. We now own three of them and I'm looking at a mini for travel. Everyone else can take their opinions and stuff them.

 

[Myrany]

All I ever do is change the battery when it needs it - and I don't know it needs it until it tells me, I can't tell by the way it vapes.

My provari is on order now and I am so glad to hear this about it. I have been noticing on my vamo that the quality of the vape gets noticably worse about 15 minutes of chain vaping before I get the Lo for a low battery. It is really starting to annoy me.