HOW has the Provari not been cloned?

[bulldog63h]

If it was all fun and games I'd be totally fine with it, but it gets so serious (or am I being too serious?). I'd just love to read a thread that would actually have something substantial to offer. I think everyone would benefit from that.

But to get into the spirit of the thread, the SVD is obviously superior due to something something

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The SVD has a leg up on the Provari because it's telescopic. It can be shorter if you're concerned about size or stealth, or it can be longer so you have more vape time on a single battery. It does that with no additional gear needed.
I wish the Provari could be mentioned outside the Provari forum without instigating a debate, but that doesn't seem possible at this point in time. Maybe one day. My main thing is a lot of folks here seem to think all Provari owners are snobs. I think that stems from so many suggestions in threads where people ask what mod they should get. The fact is, more MVP owners suggest the MVP than Provari owners suggest the Provari, but no one looks at them as snobs or elitists. Everyone is simply suggesting their favorite devise. Hell, I have suggested the MVP multiple times and don't even own one. I know they're good though. I have used both V1 and V2.
I didn't buy my Provari because of status or hype. I bought it, as I said in an earlier post, because of toughness, as I have literally broken a tank when I was in the Army (it was actually an M88 track recovery vehicle), and because it was my first love in the vaping world.
For me, it's the best device I've owned. Then again, being a poor boy, I haven't owned many. A DNA device might blow it out of the water, but I won't have the funds to know for a long time.
I do agree with you though, I wish it didn't turn into a pissing contest every time the Provari is mentioned.

 

[Coelli]

My provari is on order now and I am so glad to hear this about it. I have been noticing on my vamo that the quality of the vape gets noticably worse about 15 minutes of chain vaping before I get the Lo for a low battery. It is really starting to annoy me.

That won't happen with the Provari. It's remarkably consistent from the first hit to the last. The light will begin to blink when the battery is low, but the vape stays unchanged. I usually swap the battery at that point but sometimes vape until it won't fire anymore (the light will blink quickly at this point). That last hit is the same as the first, so if that's important to you, you will be very pleased!

 

[bulldog63h]

That won't happen with the Provari. It's remarkably consistent from the first hit to the last. The light will begin to blink when the battery is low, but the vape stays unchanged. I usually swap the battery at that point but sometimes vape until it won't fire anymore (the light will blink quickly at this point). That last hit is the same as the first, so if that's important to you, you will be very pleased!

That's a big reason I moved on from the SVD. I hated having to crank it up once the battery hit 3.7 volts. I've vaped the Provari with the led off and was surprised when the battery died. I didn't know it was coming.

 

[Plumes.91]

The ONLY difference between the power provided by a Provari and any other regulated device is the "cleanness" created by the increased frequency of the chip. However, NOTHING can possibly be cleaner than pulling power straight off the battery. Personally I cannot tell any difference in vape quality between my SVD and pulling straight from the battery. So I just cannot justify dropping $200 based on pure faith that goes against logic an personal observation.

Dude I notice a huge difference between my Provari and a mechanical mod. The mechanical mods hit smoother throughout the entire charge of the battery. I can literally feel and hear the difference between any of my 5 mech mods and the Provari. I can FEEL and HEAR a difference between my provari and my eVic as well. There's an even bigger difference between my evic & a mechanical. If you can't tell the difference then screw it. I might defend the Provari but mechanicals vape better than everything, they can just be a bit of a PITA to setup flawlessly & you can't tweak them to fit your atomizer's problems (overflood/lowjuice) when ur out the house.

From best to "worse" vapes, I call it: Mech, Provari/Evolv, & then low pulse regulated mods.
You can't beat mech mods. I'm really beginning to enjoy them & my builds.

I was simply dispelling the rumor that a ProVari is somehow magically responsible for a good vape. The Provari is a well built and accurate device, but your topper plays a much greater role than your mod. If someone were choosing between a high quality topper or a ProVari then get the topper first. That's all I was saying

I wouldn't underestimate what a mod does for the vape! You can rebuild any atomizer to perform well as long as it has a good air ratio, good resistance, solid built coil, good wicking, what have you... If your atty does those things well, then you need a good PV. If your atty's coil is submerged in juice (too much) and your using a low pulse signal mod, it's going to spit and sputter and the vapor that goes into your mouth will be all over the chart. Hot, cold, thick, thin. Inconsistent. Annoying if you take note of it.

I never see this explained thoroughly, in GOOD, LAYMEN'S terms. There you go. Thats why I like the Provari. (and mechs) over the cheaper (sometimes not-so-cheaper) low pulse mods, such as the Zmax, the Vamo, the Evic, the Tmax, the Smooth, whatever. Thats why I'm beginning to use mechanicals more than I use my Provari. The Provari takes care of the problem, but not completely.

I've vaped the Provari with the led off and was surprised when the battery died. I didn't know it was coming.

Haha I agree here too. It also greatly depends on the battery. Doesn't matter what VV/VW mod your using, your battery needs to be new. If its older than a year old and you've used it as one of your main batteries for that time, even the Provari will seem to sag as the battery dies. But hell yeah, with a relatively new battery, the Provari has the best software out of any regulated PV to compensate for battery drain. Even after the early warning button light bleeps, it vapes like it's freshly charged.

 

[fogging_katrider]

I liken my Provari to my Harley in many respects.

The price made me pause
I'm constantly reminded of Asian models with more features at half the price,
I'm accused of buying into a cult,
I never looked back after the purchase.

I imagine a clone would be possible, but the customer service would break the deal.

Vape what you like. I know I will.

No offense intended here RastaPete...
But I've noticed that it's inevitable in almost all these provari fan boy threads, that somebody is going to mention their hog, which speaks volumes to me that it's more about buying into a status symbol and american made thing than anything else. I sometimes wonder if owning a provari causes some folks to want to get a tattoo and some crotchless leather chaps to wear when they go on a vaping poker runs together.

Me...well, I'm waiting for something with more performance to offer like a dna 30 device, or maybe I'll build myself a custom chopper with a dna engine. Said another way, I'd much rather hit the highway on a modern sport touring liter class machine, than a sixty horsepower thousand pound milwaukee sled.

I'd rather folks likened their provari's to owning fine exotic italian machinery like a Ducati or Bimota. Now that would be a more compelling arguement for owning one imnsho. but, thats just my own opinion as you harley fans have your own love for your chrome plated rides and going on poker runs and I prefer the challenge of a nice twisty road like deals gap with like minded liter class sport riders. To each his own, it really makes no difference what apv folks choose to vape as they say as long as we're all "in the wind"

But I digress... I agree these threads serve no real purpose other than entertainment, bragging rights and nit picking like I just did

ps... don't get me wrong folks, I'd love to own one too

 

[p.opus]

The fact is, more MVP owners suggest the MVP than Provari owners suggest the Provari, but no one looks at them as snobs or elitists. Everyone is simply suggesting their favorite devise. Hell, I have suggested the MVP multiple times and don't even own one. I know they're good though. I have used both V1 and V2

The reason this is, is because the MVP is probably feature for feature the best mod available at it's price point.

Let's be honest, while the ProVari is one heck of a well built mod, the price point is a barrier of entry to many vapers.

For the price of a starter kit, one can buy 5 MVP's. Will a ProVari outlast 5 MVP's? Theoretically yes, but no one can answer that question definitively because there is not ProVari out in the wild that is over 4 years old. There are MVP V1's that are going strong after the 1 year mark.

And even if it does, who knows what vaping will look like in 5 years? When I first started vaping I was using KR8080's and that has been basically all but forgotten.

Also, despite their fantastic customer service, we don't really know if ProVape will be around for that long. All it takes is for Washington State to Ban internet sales of e-cigs and ProVape is in serious doo doo as online sales make up an overwhelming majority of their sales. Perhaps Washington States legalization of another substance might lead to Washington being more tolerant of e-cigs, but California was one of the most first states to allow medical use of "that stuff" and they are practically leading the charge in restricting e-cig sales and use.

And finally, the ProVari is not as much as a game changer at it was in 2010. In 2010 there was nothing that could touch it, and it's been unchanged (with the exception of increasing the amperage rating by .5 amps) since then. A lot of companies have narrowed the gap in their offerings. Blackberry used to be the defacto king of smart phones. They refused to innovate, resting soley on the strength of their initial offering, and now they are nearly bankrupt.

I am often accused of being a ProVari hater, despite the fact that I have often suggested that a person get a ProVari when their usage and budget call for one. If someone says...I have about 200 bucks and I want the best mod I can get for that price that will provide me with a long life of trouble free operation.....I say get a ProVari....End of story.

But, if a person does not have that type of money to spend, or doesn't want to lug around spare batteries and a charger, or wants a variable wattage mod, then I'm not going to steer them into a ProVari and try to justify my recommendation by dismissing variable wattage, explaining why spare batteries are a good thing, or why despite them saying that their price limit is $100.00 they need to spend $200 to be satisfied.

And to be honest, if someone did have about only $200.00 to spend and wanted the best vape experience possible for that money without buying clones, I would steer them to an MVP and a Kayfun Lite + before I suggested a Provari starter kit with it's Protank 2.

 

[girlsdrivetoo]

Because the world lives in fear of the wrath of the Provarinati.

 

[Baditude]

Not everyone wants to have to build their own coils and wicks in a Kayfun. Heck, I've seen long time vapers who complain about changing coil heads in their clearomizers ("Say whaaat?") or are still using replacement pre-filled cartridges in their cigalikes after vaping for a year. My educated guess is most vapers using an APV are using either a clearotank or cartotank on their APV and that is about as sophisticated as they will ever get for a juice attachment.

My preferred attachment is a cartotank. This is what I have found to be the best option for ME. I find them to give better flavor and more consistancy than clearos, and to be less complex or time-consuming than a rebuildable. Although I can make coils and wicks, I choose not to. From start to finish, it took me a half hour to set up my RBA's. It takes me seven minutes to do a new cartotank setup. I don't want to fiddle with my wicks and coils to make them perfect. I just want to vape. That's MY preference and experience.

When comparing the value of buying multiple MVP's to a single Provari, there will be two main schools of thought. There's one group who see more value in the less expensive (yet eventually) disposable MVP. The other group will see more value in the more expensive yet more durable/repairable Provari. To argue which school of thought is "best" is pointless, as that is a personal decision to be made by each individual.

I own both the MVP and the Provari. I like my MVP, its a great value and vape for the money. I love my Provari's. They are a great value and vape for the money to ME. I just happen to prefer using a Provari over the MVP for personal reasons which I've shared multiple times on this forum.

To those who claim Provari owners are snobs and elitists, that's your opinion and a rather prejudiced and narrow one at that. I don't consider owning a Provari as a status symbol and frankly don't know any owners who do. I chose them because to me they offer the best value for what I desire in an APV.

Do I wish they were less expensive? Sure I do. Yet I believe they were worth every dollar I paid for them and the best bang for MY money. Enough so that I have three of them, the only model out of ten total APV's that I have more than one. I use them way more than any model that I have (including the MVP) because I get a better vaping experience from them. Why should anyone else care what I spend MY money on? It was just as hard-earned as yours, and how you choose to spend yours is YOUR business.

 

[denali_41]

to answer the OP,,the provari has been cloned and it was a major fail !! so much so very few know about

you can buy kits to make the provari telescopic,or even handle a 26650 batt

yes there are still some MVP V1's that are still going strong,but the % is not very good at all,,button breaking and they just die are the most common problems with them

 

[ScottP]

My preferred attachment is a cartotank. This is what I have found to be the best option for ME. I find them to give better flavor and more consistancy than clearos, and to be less complex or time-consuming than a rebuildable. Although I can make coils and wicks, I choose not to. From start to finish, it took me a half hour to set up my RBA's. It takes me seven minutes to do a new cartotank setup. I don't want to fiddle with my wicks and coils to make them perfect. I just want to vape. That's MY preference and experience.

See I had the opposite experience with cartos. When I first started vaping, based on suggestions from this site, I bought a bunch of Boge cartos. About 50% were useless straight out of the box. Some just wouldn't fire at all and others seemed clogged so vaping was like trying to suck a milkshake through a coffee straw. I quickly decided that was not going to be for me.

 

[KenD]

But for some reason as soon as Provari is mentioned here come the detractors. It's ugly, it's outdated, it's overpriced, people only buy them for status, because they're snobs, because they think it's magical, etc. etc.

Yes, true, but some Provari owners are equally guilty of trashing every other mod (therefore actually being snobs) as inherently inferior, and by proxy suggesting that people who don't own a PV are lesser vapers. It also seems to be impossible to discuss the pros and cons of a Provari in comparison to other apvs, partly due to the PV being presented as perfect in every way and any dissenting voices as heresy. So, both "camps" are to blame. I nowadays avoid any provari threads (except this one apparently) for these reasons, which is a shame because I AM interested in discussions of any devices.

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[Steamer861]

Different strokes for different folks I prefer to build my own coils with cotton wicks it only takes me about 10 minutes to redo my Kayfuns

Not everyone wants to have to build their own coils and wicks in a Kayfun. Heck, I've seen long time vapers who complain about changing coil heads in their clearomizers ("Say whaaat?") or are still using replacement pre-filled cartridges in their cigalikes after vaping for a year. My educated guess is most vapers using an APV are using either a clearotank or cartotank on their APV and that is about as sophisticated as they will ever get for a juice attachment.

My preferred attachment is a cartotank. This is what I have found to be the best option for ME. I find them to give better flavor and more consistancy than clearos, and to be less complex or time-consuming than a rebuildable. Although I can make coils and wicks, I choose not to. From start to finish, it took me a half hour to set up my RBA's. It takes me seven minutes to do a new cartotank setup. I don't want to fiddle with my wicks and coils to make them perfect. I just want to vape. That's MY preference and experience.

 

[zapped]

I actually don't use the ego threading 95% of the time... Yet I understand the popularity of the threading and what if the next tank comes out that I want to try is ego threaded. Yeah I could use an adapter, but as said before I don't use the ego threading often so it would likely end up lost. I don't want my new tank to come in and be like dang I got to run to the store. To only hope they have it in stock and don't have to end up ordering it online. I'll just get the tank and screw it on. So, yes a modern apv will take into consideration that the 510 connection isn't the lone connection and offer the most connectability stock. Like I said I did take a fall off the vape wagon and when I came back the Provari was one of the first mods I looked at. I was actually dumbfounded at how little they had changed. I understand sticking with what works, but as things change you have to progress. I've seen very little innovation from provape and that is disappointing because of the outstanding quality that they built one of the early VV devices with initially.

By tank, Im guessing you mean clearomizer.

These are tanks.

 

[Baditude]

See I had the opposite experience with cartos. When I first started vaping, based on suggestions from this site, I bought a bunch of Boge cartos. About 50% were useless straight out of the box. Some just wouldn't fire at all and others seemed clogged so vaping was like trying to suck a milkshake through a coffee straw. I quickly decided that was not going to be for me.

There are two other major brands of cartomizers you could have tries: Ikenvape and Smoktech.

I assume you have used clearomizers at some point. If one brand didn't work for you, did you swear off all clearomizers?

I don't know when you tried cartomizers, but there was a period of time when "Boge Gate" occured, when the manufacturer had issues with their cartomizers. Boge happens to be my least preferred cartomizer.

 

[zapped]

See I had the opposite experience with cartos. When I first started vaping, based on suggestions from this site, I bought a bunch of Boge cartos. About 50% were useless straight out of the box. Some just wouldn't fire at all and others seemed clogged so vaping was like trying to suck a milkshake through a coffee straw. I quickly decided that was not going to be for me.

Big difference between a carto and a carto tank. Once you get the number of holes figured out (or slot your own) it gets much easier from there. Sounds as if your vaping high vg juice which needs 3 holes and a better carto IMO than a Boge.

I use Smoktech flanged pre-punched cartos with 2 holes from Smoktek.com. Ive heard others swear by Ikenvape platinums as well.

The key to a successful carto tank setups is reading Baditudes excellent blog.

 

[Baditude]

Different strokes for different folks I prefer to build my own coils with cotton wicks it only takes me about 10 minutes to redo my Kayfuns

You must be pretty good at it. I've watched seasoned "pros" at my local vape shop make coils and wicks and it takes them at least 20 minutes start to finish. I'm not here to argue with you though. I can only speak via my own experience and observations of others.

I'm currently on a fixed lower income, so I can't afford a new Kayfun or similar RBA. I've tried them at my local vape shop and they look like great devices and make a great vape.

 

[EddardinWinter]

Yeah, I was wondering because among the regulated PV's (with exception of the DNA) general consensus places the Provape chipset above the rest. So with that said, I was also curious if there are modders out there that might prefer a VV over VW, or maybe not, hence why I brought it up.

Do I think the Provape chip is underpowered? For the users of that device, probably not, I'm guessing most tend to stick within 3.8-4.1v and it does what its supposed to do in a very consistent way. For DNA users, probably inadequate given those vapers tend to be within the realm of 15-25W.

So I guess to re-phrase my question, since Provari's and DNA's appeal to two completely different types of vapers, I was just curious to know if there might be a market for Provape chipsets for modders to build their own exterior casings.

Okay, I was mistaken. I missed the connection. I am sorry for my response to both of the people who followed your initial question. Mia Culpa.

I think the ProVari is a medium powered device, and I stated earlier I would like to see a 'heavy' ProVari that went to 20W or so.

'Underpowered' is a bit unfair, since 15 watts is the standard for many (not all) tube mods. But, if you want to vape 17 watts, that is accurate.

I bet folks would love to get the chip to make their own mods, but I don't think ProVape will sell them that way...ever.



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[EddardinWinter]

You must be pretty good at it. I've watched seasoned "pros" at my local vape shop make coils and wicks and it takes them at least 20 minutes start to finish. I'm not here to argue with you though. I can only speak via my own experience and observations of others.

I'm currently on a fixed lower income, so I can't afford a new Kayfun or similar RBA. I've tried them at my local vape shop and they look like great devices and make a great vape.

It takes about five minutes to re-wick a Kayfun. It takes me about 15 to re-coil it from scratch. The thing is, a coil doesn't need to be replaced for a long time. Months. I just dry burn the coil when I re-wick it.

I re-wick mine every other time I fill them. I think that may be the discrepancy between what you two are talking about.



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[irwink]

An interesting read:

http://techreport.com/blog/21294/the-science-of-fanboyism

 

[Steamer861]

Only an Idiot would argue on a discussion board every one is in titled to there opinion I respect that! I don't think I,m that good at it I have to work under magnifying glass A Kayfun It,s just not that hard just my opinion though
I,m a pay it forward kinda guy if you PM me an addy I will send you a KFL+ and not a cheap clone an authentic one
Just my appreciation for all you have done for our community

You must be pretty good at it. I've watched seasoned "pros" at my local vape shop make coils and wicks and it takes them at least 20 minutes start to finish. I'm not here to argue with you though. I can only speak via my own experience and observations of others.

I'm currently on a fixed lower income, so I can't afford a new Kayfun or similar RBA. I've tried them at my local vape shop and they look like great devices and make a great vape.