how is this ok and ecig not

[davidb]

Well it was said before, but yea, look at the list of side effects for some other drugs, like Tylenol. The list is pretty long.

Anyhow there is also another difference. It went through testing. Quality of that testing is always debatable. Anyhow, be patient

btw, ecigs have a potentially deadly side effect too if stopped abruptly... tobacco. hehe

 

[Turbolover]

"In studies, 44% of CHANTIX users were quit during weeks 9 to 12 of treatment (compared to 18% on sugar pill). CHANTIX also helped reduce the urge to smoke."

18% on placebos?? Do you realise what this could mean to the sugar industry? Will the FDA ban sugar if they find out it has such a successful rate of cessation? I'm willing to bet that the side effects of the sugar pills aren't as bad as Chantix.

 

[dragonpuff]

"In studies, 44% of CHANTIX users were quit during weeks 9 to 12 of treatment (compared to 18% on sugar pill). CHANTIX also helped reduce the urge to smoke."

18% on placebos?? Do you realise what this could mean to the sugar industry? Will the FDA ban sugar if they find out it has such a successful rate of cessation? I'm willing to bet that the side effects of the sugar pills aren't as bad as Chantix.

Wait... are you suggesting that "sugar" may have medicinal properties?
Haven't children been exposed to "sugar" in large quantities?
The FDA should ban "sugar" until further testing is done... for the sake of the CHILDREN!

 

[yknotagain]

What they don't mention is the number of people who become dependent on Chantix and the large number of people who revert to smoking again if they don't continue taking it.

 

[LadyPamela]

I have been taking Chantix for about 3 weeks now, been smoke free for 13 days. I am aware of the side effects but I really wonder how much is because of Chantix and how much is the withdrawl from cigarettes? I found that by the 8th day, the day your supposed to quit after starting Chantix, that cigarettes had absolutely no effect on me. I was out with my daughter all day, from 11am to 5pm, the day before I quit and I didn't have a smoke all day. I had a smoke when we got home and I expected that rush and dizziness (was looking forward to it actually) and there was absolutely NOTHING!

It just makes me wonder that if someone is really having a hard time coping without the nicotine withdrawl and they smoke to relieve their symptoms, the action of Chantix blocking the receptors for nicotine thwarths their efforts. Just some thoughts about it. Out of 30k suicide deaths per year in the US, 55 people who were taking Chantix committed suicide. Is that statistically important? I don't know.

They say a side effect of taking Chantix is anger or aggression. Ummm... read about the effects of withdrawl when quitting cold turkey and you'll see the same, including the emotional outburst, etc. Isn't Chantix like quitting cold turkey? Sure, go ahead and smoke if you want to, you're not going to get nicotine anyway.

I am just amazed at how simple it was to quit with Chantix. I only think about smoking at certain "trigger" times. I don't want to smoke analogs anymore but I'm afraid that someday, the trigger will get pulled! So, I'm going to try e-cigs for those times to keep me from turning to smokes again.

Whatever gets people by, don't you think?

 

[src97]

it wasnt until my 5-6th week of chantix when i noticed that everything really made me angry. i mean tear up the house angry. threaten violence angry. my wife is a mental health nurse. she sat me down and said, "honey i think you need to stop taking chantix."

immediately stopped, was smoking again in 2 days, and was fine every other way too. i have to say chantix works. but as soon as you get off it, your urge to smoke will return. and i suppose if you have no side effects you could take it indefinitely. but beware, the side effects creep up suddenly and it isnt pretty.

 

[jj2]

I got two friends who took it and got off the analogs. Shortly after, they started again. And it wasn't only because of the nicotine, they missed the act of smoking. Instead they ate. One gained about 40 pounds before getting a PV.
It worked and hope it works for you.

 

[warp1900]

"In studies, 44% of CHANTIX users were quit during weeks 9 to 12 of treatment (compared to 18% on sugar pill). CHANTIX also helped reduce the urge to smoke."

18% on placebos?? Do you realise what this could mean to the sugar industry? Will the FDA ban sugar if they find out it has such a successful rate of cessation? I'm willing to bet that the side effects of the sugar pills aren't as bad as Chantix.

And that is if you believe the 44% they claim quitting, I have a slight suspicion that number would be "inflated" for a $ couple $ of "reasons".

You don't need to run trials to know that people will eventually fall back into smoking, big pharma will never give you the cure to anything, just the right mix to keep you alive but permanently or "on and off " sick, because it means more money for them.

Obviously some deaths will happen, but numbers will still be very good for high profits.



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[Superstargoddess]

Yep, it's all about the money. Everything is a government conspiracy, I'm not even kidding.

 

[Tarzan]

Out of 30k suicide deaths per year in the US, 55 people who were taking Chantix committed suicide. Is that statistically important? I don't know.

It depends how many people are on Chantix, and a number of other things. But it is listed as a side effect, and I doubt they'd agree to that if there wasn't some evidence from clinical trials.

I am just amazed at how simple it was to quit with Chantix. I only think about smoking at certain "trigger" times. I don't want to smoke analogs anymore but I'm afraid that someday, the trigger will get pulled! So, I'm going to try e-cigs for those times to keep me from turning to smokes again.

I can understand Chantix as a way of helping you through the cold turkey phase. But I've quit cold-turkey many times, and I always ended up back on the death sticks after a couple of months anyway. You're definitely better off with an e-cig lying in a drawer. I'd recommend some zero-nicotine liquid first (when/if the time comes), because you might find that just going through the motions is all you need.

 

[Tarzan]

You don't need to run trials to know that people will eventually fall back into smoking,

Yeah, the 44% is for a 12-week trial during which motivated patients received Chantix and councelling. And even under those conditions only 44% managed to quit? Not to mention, as it turns out, 50% of them took up smoking again within one year. Not very promising at all, really. But perfect for Pfizer, who sell around $1bn worth of Chantix/Champix worldwide every year.

 

[shotgun903]

If Phizer was supplying our e-juice we'd all be vaping freely without a care in the world. I believe that with every little particle of my pessimistic blackened heart.

If Phizer (or any big pharma) made e-juice it would magically be covered by insurance. Wow Free vaping!

 

[LameBMX]

A few days ago I saw a commercial for an FDA approved drug. By the time there were done listing all the possible side effects and other medications and ailments to inform your doctor of before going on this medication. I forgot what it was supposed to actually fix.

 

[asturel13]

All those "side effects" are pretty much exactly what you go through quitting cold turkey anyway. I might consider taking this if I cant get nicotine free in the next 6 months or so.

 

[Kate51]

I was looking for some "sweetener drops" today, in connection to the D.I.Y. Thread. What do you think I found there!? Some very interesting comments about FDA bans, to be sure! Politics, anyone? It is rather disgusting to read, I must caution you! Get the kids out of the room first! I got to swearing a little...

Stevia Leaf

 

[Closet Toker]

If prescription drugs are so good, where are all the healthy drug takers? by Mike Adams the Health Ranger

 

[Mighty Cowphin]

Warning Vaping increases hostility and aggression towards those in the FDA and BIG PHARMA. Be warned. These side effects occur in 99.9% of all vapers. We just found our most lethal side effect.

Thanks for giving me a smile for the day... that is VERY Funny!!!

 

[Mighty Cowphin]

I was looking for some "sweetener drops" today, in connection to the D.I.Y. Thread. What do you think I found there!? Some very interesting comments about FDA bans, to be sure! Politics, anyone? It is rather disgusting to read, I must caution you! Get the kids out of the room first! I got to swearing a little...

That was a scary read... I could swear I have used Stivia... must have been before 1991...LOL

Can't remember if I liked it or not... Old age ya know... Gads... Someone needs to redirect the FDA's noble cause cannon (need more money in our pocket cannon)....LOL

 

[Kate51]

Yes, Mighty Cowphin,(ROFL!!) It is scarey! Makes you wonder what else has gone under the FDA's knife, doesn't it? Perhaps Hemp? Still say they missed that one, I am talking strickly medicinally, now, you understand. I still wonder if they had investigated that one before the Larch bark (Aspirin) who knows what would have been OTC by now. Makes you wonder just who our Entity Organizations are working for. Hmmm. Especially that big one, what's it called again...oh, yes, the Executive Branch!

 

[warp1900]

If some are not still convinced...do a search on aspartame, which was approved by the FDA long ago and now is in about 6000 products including ALL chewing gum brands and "light" drinks in the market.


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