We can all stop Vaping now!

[rookbartley989]

I am not making light of the people that Chantix or any other Rx may help...I was mearly pointing out that if quitting with prescriptions mean I will kill my wife and crap my pants, I will keep smoking! Soooooooo many pill are on the market with a laundry list of horrible side effects far worse that the thing they are meant to cure and it makes me sick. Sure the lawyers are the reason those labels are there, but that is because taking that stuff can cause one or all of those things. I vaped on my Blu kit and quit the first day, come to think of it...since starting vaping, I don't think I have felt even the slightest bit of rage and I am pretty sure I haven't pooped my pants once! That's enough for me...

Ron -

 

[mooreted]

I just want to make sure everyone knows how bad this stuff is:

Varenicline (marketed as Chantix) and Bupropion (marketed as Zyban, Wellbutrin, and generics)

Chantix: 36,342 adverse events, 595 suicide attempts in Quitting Methods & Nicotine Products - Forum

http://whyquit.com/chantix/QuarterWatch 2010q3 final.pdf

PLoS ONE: Prescription Drugs Associated with Reports of Violence Towards Others

 

[twostep310]

hahaha thats good stuff

 

[Cloud Wizard]

Cigarettes and Death (from the CDC: CDC - Fact Sheet - Tobacco-Related Mortality - Smoking & Tobacco Use)

Cigarette smoking causes about 1 of every 5 deaths in the United States each year.1,6 Cigarette smoking is estimated to cause the following:1

443,000 deaths annually (including deaths from secondhand smoke)
49,400 deaths per year from secondhand smoke exposure
269,655 deaths annually among men
173,940 deaths annually among women

 

[JmeMcG]

Well, I don't need Chantix 'cuz I already quit smoking. It's not approved by the FDA for vaping cessation... LOL!

Just trying to be a little funny, no offense to anyone and I am certainly not making light of ANY smoking cessation/harm reduction plan that works for anyone. I personally would have never even considered Chantix as I am not a fan of taking most prescription medications. I react strangely to most and the negative side effects are not worth it. I have to admit that when I tried to stop smoking with the patch years ago, that even those gave me the the most bizarre, vivid, strange and sometimes violent and nightmarish dreams. I am just happy that vaping has been THE method that has worked for me.

 

[Myk]

I hadn't smoked for about 2 years when I was put on Wellbutrin (same as Zyban). Within a few days I was so freaked out by the suicidal thoughts and lack of sleep I started smoking like I had never quit. When I told my doctor like you're supposed to his advice was to keep trying them.
From what I understand Chantix is worse.

For them to have passed laws forcing FSC (fire proof chemicals on the paper that cause hotboxes to fall off to "stop fires") and these suicide pills it became clear to me their goal is for people to quit or die.
E-cigs don't go along with that plan. We are not conforming to their desires 100%. That is why even though there is definitely less risk to all involved they still have e-cigs in the die category.

Sorry Cloud Wizard but they love to claim "if it saves just one person". Those stop smoking drugs have killed many and I was almost one of them. These warnings are not just the result of lawyers. They are the result of real people getting killed by these drugs that wouldn't be allowed if they weren't for smoking cessation. The medically induced crazyness happens to a lot more than was reported in the testing.

 

[ki77en]

Agree w/ JmeMcG. I used the patch a year and a half ago b/c it was basically the only option I had after reading about Chantix. Actually, those commercials have been out for years and I'm one to catch the fine print or the speed readers disclaimer. I had CRAZY dreams on the patch and while I'm used to some pretty wild and adventurous dreams anyway, these were... WOW...
Also agree w/ meds but mainly b/c there's too much approved by the FDA that often seriously and adversely affects people. I do not trust 'Big Pharma'. Period.

 

[expat007]

More people die from FDA approved drugs than all the other drugs combined.
Quit or die - or kill yourself. It's all good

 

[Myriad Dark]

I had a truly horrible experience with chantix. I've been a well adjusted person my whole life and can't really recall ever having a nightmare. My dreams are usually fairly mundane (maybe deep down inside I'm actually a boring person ), but that exponentially changed as the chantix doses ramped up. The first week as it built up in my system I had the whole Technicolor dream experience where everything was hauntingly surreal and extra vivid. About half way through the second week as the full dosing level built up in my body I found out what night terrors are *shudders*. I always figured it was just a bad adult nightmare that people blew out of proportion. I was wrong, so very, very wrong. I still clearly remember the first one and how it felt like it was still just a dream, but I felt fully lucid and mobile. I felt the walls closing in on me and that I was going to be crushed to death (I've been in a few close calls and know that feeling of impending death). There I was desperately attempting to claw my way through my bedroom window as it clearly felt like the only path to safety. Outside that window was a 2 story drop to a bank of air conditioners... that would not have ended well. Thankfully my GF (probably as terrified and confused as I was) managed to shake me to my senses and reality returned. No fade away, no grogginess like I had just woken up, just changed like the blink of an eye except I had the cold sweats and the decline after an adrenaline rush. I didn't go back to sleep because I never wanted to experience anything like that again. I stopped taking it and made sure to schedule an appointment with my doctor the next day and dreaded going to sleep for the next several days because I knew it would take a little time to cycle that horrific medication out of my body. Needless to say, I spent the next week sleeping downstairs on the couch. Fortunately there was only one more episode and it was far less vivid than the first, but still absolutely terrifying. by the time it all was out of my system everything was back to normal and I've had no issues since thankfully. Based on personal experience I refer to it at the night terror pill and would never recommend it to anybody. I'm glad for the people who were able to successfully quit by using it and came out the other end unscathed, but I just feel there are far to many possibilities for problems. Remember, 5 out of 6 people get to walk away from a game of russian roulette, the 6th person however...

 

[Wondertwin]

We need a "Chantix Dreams: Post 'Em If Ya Got 'Em" thread

My most vivid one was about the Borg, Star Trek. I was stuck on one of their ships and trying to escape. Woke up yelling, my husband was in shock. I'm not a dreamer really, I very rarely even can recall them so that was new and different. I think the only other pill that made me as crazy was hormonal birth control 10 years ago! Told my husband about this thread and he reminded me about those days, go figure.

I'm with everyone who thinks big pharma is a crock. Read recently they're the most lucrative industry in the U.S. They're out to make money, period. Seeing these studies makes me glad we stopped taking it soon after the crazy set in.

 

[Myk]

We need a "Chantix Dreams: Post 'Em If Ya Got 'Em" thread

If you include Wellbutrin in that I wouldn't be able to tell you because I seriously couldn't tell you what was a dream and what wasn't that week (well, I know calling someone up in the middle of the night to come and get my guns was real but most everything else is a blur).

 

[Wondertwin]

Dumb question, but is Wellbutrin the same thing as Zyban? I was done with pills after chantix, but John tried the Zyban. Lasted about 10 days on it before he started feeling "weird" and flushed them down the garbage disposal. Sorry to hear it went so badly Myk, wow! Glad you got away from it before it escalated further!

 

[Catfishy]

What a great way to put it into the spotlight Ron!
I was getting ready to report your post until I go to the last line that was not part of the Chantix mantra.
I love how the FDA lets crap like that slide.

 

[Myk]

Dumb question, but is Wellbutrin the same thing as Zyban? I was done with pills after chantix, but John tried the Zyban. Lasted about 10 days on it before he started feeling "weird" and flushed them down the garbage disposal. Sorry to hear it went so badly Myk, wow! Glad you got away from it before it escalated further!

Yes, same drug. My brother got it to stop smoking and it worked for panic so he stayed on it for a long time (at his wife's insistence) . That's why I tried it. Completely different reaction for me.
After I tried it I started researching and found they kept the negatives hushed in the US, not so in Europe.

They fast track these drugs because of a perceived lack of safety issues (i.e., anything is better than smoking) yet they tell outright lies about e-cigs to try to ban them whereas if they would fast track them the 6 months trail would be long over by now. Something fishy is going on.

(Also note that the reason the doctors gave me the $150 script of Wellbutrin was because the FDA doesn't like them handing out $10 scripts of Xanax which actually works.)

 

[DCB305]

Funny, reminds me of several people I know that tried the nicotine patch and they'd be sitting there with the patch on smoking a cig.

I smoked for about 16 yrs and it wasn't so much the nicotine that I was addicted to, but the action of smoking itself was/ is the hardest part for me when I tried to quit. I had quit cold turkey in the past once for over a year, but always started back up again especially if I had a few beers or drinks. I tried my first e-cig about a month ago (ego 650mah batt w/ dct setup) started with 26mg nic juice, smoked about 4 cigs in 4 days that first week and done, then 18mg then a very low nic just to make the transition smooth and I have no desire to even smoke a cig "analog" (still gotta get used to that term).

Rx Co's have the money and resources to get these products FDA approved and out to the public e-cig manufacturers do not yet.

The tobacco industry and not just them but everything that goes along with it (Rx co's, stop smoking gum's patches, mints, etc type co's, government local & state) all gain revenue from tobacco users. They will do everything in their power to prevent the rise of e-cig's/pv since it will affect their revenue and they also have plenty of money and resources.

I would imagine there are a lot companies, agency's, and others that will do everything in their power to prevent or limit the e-cig industry unfortunately.

 

[chuckpo]

I can't stop vaping, I just started!

 

[chemsoldier83]

I tried it. Vivid nightmares and suicidal thoughts. Went running to the store for smokes right away

 

[tornadosiren]

Since I totally quit smoking with vaping, and then quite vaping on any regular basis about 6 months after that, I havent really been active on the forums, but I happened to log in and saw this, and wanted to comment. I think the main point is really not that people have a problem at all with those who have successfully used chantix to quit, it is the fact that a drug like chantix, with documented terrible side effects, is touted by the anti smoking community as this great godsend, while a product like e-cigs, which has shown little to no adverse effects for the vast majority of people using them, is vilified. It smacks of conspiracy. Someone is paying a lot of money to hype chantix, and we can't even get a decent study done on e-cigs.