How safe do you think Ejuices really are?

[nicetucu]

All I know is I can read minds and my poop glows in the dark. Who doesn't want that? All kidding aside, yes buy from a reputable vendor and much safer than any cigarette. American cigarettes are engineered to keep you hooked big time, so so many chemicals. The fact that these tobacco companies won't profit from this disgusting habit (at least in my case) anymore makes me extremely happy.

Any BT company that buys or creates an ecig business will not get my business either. Just the way I feel. No matter how great their product is.

 

[ScandaLeX]

I getcha and understand. I read on here a lot about vendors, PV's, batteries, coils, liquids...same kind of info over and over...if there wasn't repeat threads, there probably wouldn't be a lot to talk about. But it only seems that if people question health, safety...then the answer sometimes is demeaning like: "old topic, already covered, don't ask, go away..."

Could you imagine if a noob came in here and asked what PV to use and the answer was " we already discussed that a million times, troll, do your own search and go away". LMAO!!! I think the forum would be like one person..the creator of it. And being new and still in discovery mode, there are a TON of liquids/suppliers out there. You're buying over the Internet w/people you don't know and inhaling this stuff. It's new, it's scary and everyone has an opinion, many conflicting (some vets say don't buy liquids from China, some do is just one example) so to ask questions of safety is kind of normal.

I take care of my mother who has Alzheimers. The last thing I have time to do is read EVERY thread posted here. Some are over 10K replies....I don't know anyone--even someone not in my situation who has time for that.

AngiBe said it best; in essence, No new vapor wants to feel as though they're inconveniencing the hell out of anyone.

If you don't want to be bothered to help cause you feel the answers are already there, then don't help--move along in the same fashion you want us to do.

I'm a guide on a Android forum. I answer the same questions all the time despite how many times they've been asked and answered. And just because someone starts a thread and doesn't return doesn't make them any less worthy of support.
We're all here for the same reason--vaping.
Calling someone a troll because they don't make an appearance in a thread they started is HORRIBLE.

 

[degnr8]

Talk about intimidating....read a post from someone named "DVap" and he's like a chemistry wiz. I'm nervous to ask any questions on those threads because I can't speak or spell French and that's what it looks like to me on all those DIY threads....completely over my head. Is there a DIY For Dummies book?

It's really not as complicated as some people make it. Get one of the calculators, some nic PG and or VG, flavorings if you want 'em and you should be able to figure it out. If you get stuck, feel free to PM me and I'll help you out.

 

[Talyon]

Burning question here..Are the majority of Ejuices made in professional, quality controlled labs like products you would find in a grocery/drug store or made by mom and pop shops in their basement? I'm new to vaping but the juices I have bought don't look like professional products at all (no ingredients/labels/etc other than what the flavor is). What goes into the PG/VG mixture to give it say..a tobacco flavor/vanilla flavor/peach flavor? How safe do you think the typical ejuice you buy off the internet really is and where is it typically made and by who?

So the FDA have infiltrated TORONTO, noooooooooo!

Just buy Canadian anyways......... We clean up here, hehe!

 

[wv2win]

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Calling someone a troll because they don't make an appearance in a thread they started is HORRIBLE.

First, I don't remember someone specifically stating the OP was a troll because they didn't respond.
Second, have you been reading this forum for 3 - 4 years but just joined in the last 30 days and thus you know the signs of the many trolls we have had on this specific forum for the last 4 years?
Third, on your Android forum, are there posters who are actively trying to have your "Android" hobby banned or severely limited to an extent that you would be upset if they were successful?

Maybe the OP is a plant and maybe they aren't. Because of the many threats facing vaping, many of us are suggesting that posters use discretion with the titles of their posts and have the courtesy and forum etiquette to respond to a thread they started even if it is just to thank those who took the time to respond to their "burning question".

 

[Cactus Breath]

The vendor I buy from is very open about disclosing his ingredients and sources (basically anything and everything short of his actual recipes). He has shared his preparation methods/precautions with us and as a result of the above, I'm utterly confident that I'm buying from a trusted source.

For all the people who think regulation of the juice industry would be a good thing, be careful what you wish for. In the name of "regulation" they could easily impose ridiculous, draconian bureaucratic standards which would drive most of the small juice vendors (the vast majority of whom are honest people putting out a good product) instantly out of business. No worries, though - Big Tobacco, with all their money and power, will be there to manufacture the proprietary pre-filled cartos which cost a fortune, come in exactly one flavor and a nicotine level low enough to drive most vapers back to cigarettes. But hey - you don't have to worry about somebody mixing e-juice in a dirty pot in their kitchen sink so it's all good, right???

 

[AngiBe]

It's really not as complicated as some people make it. Get one of the calculators, some nic PG and or VG, flavorings if you want 'em and you should be able to figure it out. If you get stuck, feel free to PM me and I'll help you out.

Thanks! When ur a noob reading the DIY, it seriously is confusing as you know what. But it also sounds like a load of fun. Still researching now be4 I take the plunge....

 

[AgentAnia]

Thanks! When ur a noob reading the DIY, it seriously is confusing as you know what. But it also sounds like a load of fun. Still researching now be4 I take the plunge....

AngiBe, I am posterchild for Vaping for Dummies (of the KISS variety), lol! Call me a heretic, you DIYers, but AngiBe, all you need to do to get started is get some unflavored base at your preferred nic level, a few concentrated flavorings that you think might appeal, some empty bottles, a dropper, a syringe, and you're good to go. This will give you "pure" or single flavors. One or two drops of flavor per ml base, and voila! If you want to get more complicated, add some sweetener. Or maybe some menthol.

Once you've got that down, if you want to go further, you can start re-creating more complicated flavors; this is where recipes from the DIY forum will help. But really, it can be quite uncomplicated to start with, and much much cheaper!

 

[AngiBe]

Thx that's sounds way easier than the the stuff I've been reading. I felt like I needed a chemistry degree...

 

[Steve803]

All I know is I can read minds and my poop glows in the dark. Who doesn't want that? All kidding aside, yes buy from a reputable vendor and much safer than any cigarette. American cigarettes are engineered to keep you hooked big time, so so many chemicals. The fact that these Tobacco companies won't profit from this disgusting habit (at least in my case) anymore makes me extremely happy.

Any BT company that buys or creates an ecig business will not get my business either. Just the way I feel. No matter how great their product is.

I agree with the idea of not buying any products made by BT. Because they laced tobacco with so much junk that make us irreversibly addicted to their products you can bet they will do the same thing to the vaping products they make. IMO - They need us to need them so we can keep filling their pockets with our money but with vaping they know we wont die an early death like we will from tobacco.

I DIY my juice. I know whats in it and i have a trusted vendor i use for my ingredients. If it tastes bad thats my problem and if it's not vapable then i pour it down the drain and try again. All in all its still cheaper then buying cigarettes.


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[Steve803]

all you need to do to get started is get some unflavored base at your preferred nic level, a few concentrated flavorings that you think might appeal, some empty bottles, a dropper, a syringe, and you're good to go. This will give you "pure" or single flavors. One or two drops of flavor per ml base, and voila! If you want to get more complicated, add some sweetener. Or maybe some menthol.

Great advise and the way i started. It really is that simple.
Don't forget about steeping your juice. If you don't know what steeping is, this is done by letting it sit for a period of time to allow the flavor to soak into the base juice. Some dont need to steep for long but i have a few juices that always taste better by the end of the week then they do when i first mix them. Good luck and KISS away.



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[Stef.]

They kind of are: PG, VG, Nicotine, Natural and Artificial flavors.

Your point is valid, some of the responses have been less than kind. On the other hand, many of the responses have been completely valid, you know to a general extent what is in your liquid, but we have no idea how safe it is long term. Even if the specific flavorings were listed, you'd be no closer to truly knowing if it is safe.

I am a newbie on this forum and not here to troll. I have been vaping since the beginning of this year and I used to smoke about a packet of red Marlboros for thirty years. (I am 48) I came to vaping without ever wanting to stop smoking. My husband brought a vaping device home and I gave it a try. After the second day I was completely off my formerly beloved Marlboros and on to vaping. As said, I never wanted to quit smoking but I was happy to have found something that is supposedly safer.

Now, personally I am not concerned too much about the hygiene involved in mixing the stuff together, but much more in finding out how much less harmful vaping really is compared to cigarettes. I have no doubt that it is much safer, but on the other hand all the articles out there are pretty extreme in either saying vaping is completely harmless to it can be more harmful than cigarettes, or admitting that we actually don't really know.

I think one of the issue I have is that if you dig deeper none of these articles are really independent research but much more written to help underline certain viewpoints, usually to either ban ecigs or to defend their value.

So in a nutshell, and apologies for the long blurb, as much as I know that it is probably unrealistic...I would love to know how much safer ecigarettes really are compared to traditional cigarettes and whether there is not something in them that makes them at the end of the day more dangerous than cigarettes. (I.e. from the hardware used)

Stef.

 

[JulesXsmokr]

Well, we all want that info also.. The info will no doubt turn up here. So far, nothing negative..except for conditions already acquired.. from smoking..or allergies..

 

[Lessifer]

I am a newbie on this forum and not here to troll. I have been vaping since the beginning of this year and I used to smoke about a packet of red Marlboros for thirty years. (I am 48) I came to vaping without ever wanting to stop smoking. My husband brought a vaping device home and I gave it a try. After the second day I was completely off my formerly beloved Marlboros and on to vaping. As said, I never wanted to quit smoking but I was happy to have found something that is supposedly safer.

Now, personally I am not concerned too much about the hygiene involved in mixing the stuff together, but much more in finding out how much less harmful vaping really is compared to cigarettes. I have no doubt that it is much safer, but on the other hand all the articles out there are pretty extreme in either saying vaping is completely harmless to it can be more harmful than cigarettes, or admitting that we actually don't really know.

I think one of the issue I have is that if you dig deeper none of these articles are really independent research but much more written to help underline certain viewpoints, usually to either ban ecigs or to defend their value.

So in a nutshell, and apologies for the long blurb, as much as I know that it is probably unrealistic...I would love to know how much safer ecigarettes really are compared to traditional cigarettes and whether there is not something in them that makes them at the end of the day more dangerous than cigarettes. (I.e. from the hardware used)

Stef.

Most of us picked up vaping because we either wanted something safer than cigs, or wanted to quit the cigs altogether. It's natural to want to KNOW that what we're doing IS safer. Unfortunately this is such a new field that the research just isn't there yet. There are great people doing research now, and pretty much everything I've read points at vaping being thousands of times healthier than smoking(if not completely harmless). One of the major hurdles is that research is usually expensive, and the ones who can fund the major research usually have an agenda(the FDA study from years back) and their research is flawed at best. The best thing any of us can do is to join CASAA and if you have the ability, donate funds to someone who is doing honest research. Even if you can't donate, read, read everything that comes out whether it's sponsored by the government, BT, BP or vape friendly scientists. Don't let anyone tell you it is or isn't safe, do the reading and decide for yourself

 

[Lessifer]

Random forum hiccup double post.

Also though, my comment about the ingredients being listed: PG, VG, Nicotine, Natural and Artificial flavorings may need further explanation. Pick up any processed food and you'll see a similar ingredient list, and while it's true that the flavorings being used weren't originally intended for vaporization and inhalation, and we don't know what effects they may have, they have all been consumed by millions for years in food products.

 

[Stef.]

Thanks Lessifer for your reply. I agree that for the time bring we just don't really know and we have to wait for more research to be done. At the end ...who am I to ask...after 30 years of smoking...nothing can be as bad as that.
Have a great weekend
Stef.

 

[wv2win]

I am a newbie on this forum and not here to troll. I have been vaping since the beginning of this year and I used to smoke about a packet of red Marlboros for thirty years. (I am 48) I came to vaping without ever wanting to stop smoking. My husband brought a vaping device home and I gave it a try. After the second day I was completely off my formerly beloved Marlboros and on to vaping. As said, I never wanted to quit smoking but I was happy to have found something that is supposedly safer.

Now, personally I am not concerned too much about the hygiene involved in mixing the stuff together, but much more in finding out how much less harmful vaping really is compared to cigarettes. I have no doubt that it is much safer, but on the other hand all the articles out there are pretty extreme in either saying vaping is completely harmless to it can be more harmful than cigarettes, or admitting that we actually don't really know.

I think one of the issue I have is that if you dig deeper none of these articles are really independent research but much more written to help underline certain viewpoints, usually to either ban ecigs or to defend their value.

So in a nutshell, and apologies for the long blurb, as much as I know that it is probably unrealistic...I would love to know how much safer ecigarettes really are compared to traditional cigarettes and whether there is not something in them that makes them at the end of the day more dangerous than cigarettes. (I.e. from the hardware used)

Stef.

Here is the best current study supported by CASAA:

CASAA: New study confirms that chemicals in electronic cigarettes pose minimal health risk

I strongly suggest you join CASAA which will provide you with a wealth of information that is not influenced by corporate interests with financial incentives. Just click on the banner at the bottom of my post. And if you want vaping to not be severely restricted, join and support CASAA to whatever degree you can.

 

[darkstorm]

I can understand some concerns about cleanliness and standardization of vendors making juices. PG has been injected and inhaled for decades. VG is found in the fog machines of every rock concert touring. Not sure I understand the notion that no one has ever inhaled vaporized flavorings prior to ecigs. Ever bake a cookie? Vapers expose themselves to more concentrated inhalations of flavorings but inhaling flavors is not untested. We do not have bakers and candy makers dropping dead in droves so I believe the flavors are relatively safe to vaporize. We did have people getting popcorn lung from inhalation of certain artificial flavorings and juice vendors quickly took flavors containing Diacetyl off the market. The one area of concern I have is the artificial coloring as some of those are known to be toxic. Personally I would not vape a juice with coloring added.

Bronchiolitis obliterans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It was impressive to see how fast this cottage industry responded to this and other issues that have cropped up over the years.

 

[bpyoko]

I'm also curious about how safe it is, but I 'm sure it's safer than cigarettes.

 

[Steve803]

I concur with regard to wanting to know if vaping is safer then smoking tobacco. I was curious about this when I first started vaping and did a lot of independent research to find out everything I could so I could compare each and make my own decision on how I would proceed. Basically, I wrote a white paper comparing the differences between vaping, and smoking tobacco with an argument against aspartame because my office was giving a .... load of crap about my vaping and basically told me they would rather I return to smoking cigarettes. I was fuming and ended up spending a night researching and spouting off my finding as a means to win a battle. I would copy/paste it here but I think it exceeds the limits of a standard post.
But I digress. Here are some links listing the chemicals the FDA says are in tobacco.
According to the Cessation sites on the internet there are over 4000 chemicals in tobacco with 69 of them known to cause cancer. ( Cigarette Ingredients - Chemicals in Cigarettes ) the FDA has extensive information on tobacco and lists the harmful and potentially harmful ingredients in tobacco ( Harmful and Potentially Harmful Constituents in Tobacco Products and Tobacco Smoke: Established List )

And here is the list of ingredients with links for the MSDS's and info for each.

Propylene Glycol (PG) USP grade ( Propylene Glycol USP/EP | Dow Propylene Glycols ) (less then 20%)
Vegetable Glycerin (VG) USP grade, readily available at pharmacies ( What Is Vegetable Glycerin? - Global Healing Center ) (> 80%)
Flavoring (Same stuff that’s in your food and available at the grocery store and also made with Propylene Glycol) ( LorAnn Oils - Flavors, Essential Oils & Supplies for Candy, Baking & Crafting | Lorann Oils ) ( Perfumers Apprentice - The Flavor Apprentice - World of Flavors )
Nicotine ( Our Unflavored Smoke Juice (Nic. Juice, Nicotine Juice) - My Freedom Smokes ) The unflavored nicotine juice is purchased with different nicotine levels for cutting to a lower safe level and is available in different PG/VG ratios. The nicotine is pre-mixed with the PG/VG base and is labeled accord to US law and also labeled to keep out of the reach of children and small animals and has a child resistant safety cap.

And, here are a couple of links to the CASAA site for printable materials, with one link, another member of this forum posted earlier this evening.
CASAA Printable Material
No adverse effects on blood and oxygen supply to the heart by electronic cigarette use

I hope this helps ease your worries about vaping. Although nothing in this world is completely safe I would rather enjoy the lesser of two evils and be happy doing it.