How safe is safe enough?

[rurwin]

Just a thought that might be useful in arguing about the safety of vaping.

In the UK there are 2 million vapers[1] and 20 million people doing DIY[2]. DIY uses some dangerous tools, such as power drills and power saws, not to mention razor-sharp chisels and extension ladders. These tools and the materials for DIY are available with no restriction. You can buy roof tiles with no questions asked, even though fitting them is a highly dangerous task suited only to trained personnel.

Every year, there are 70 deaths and 250,000 injuries attributed to DIY work, with many of them due to inexperience and over-confidence[3].

If vaping was as dangerous as DIY, we would expect a tenth of those numbers -- 7 deaths and 25,000 injuries every year. But there have been no confirmed deaths even worldwide, and probably either no serious injuries, or a small handful of them. If we use the CDC's numbers[4] of 2,405 incidents in the USA over three and a half years, that would make 171 over the population of the UK per year. None of those incidents appears to have been serious.

And yet DIY has no benefit except for monetary gain. It does not improve health and near enough all work carried out by DIY could be done better by trained professionals.

By these measures, vaping appears to be well over a hundred times safer and its health benefits over smoking are undenied. Why do we need to make it safer still?

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[1] http://www.ash.org.uk/files/documents/ASH_891.pdf
[2] DIY Retailing - UK Market Report & Market Share
[3] DANGER WEEKEND LOOMS FOR DIY FANS... | RoSPA
[4] New CDC study finds dramatic increase in e-cigarette-related calls to poison centers | Press Release | CDC Online Newsroom | CDC

 

[Hulamoon]

I agree - and what infuriates me is this concerted blatant propaganda carried out by big corporations who have their y's in a wad because it's going to be a billion dollar industry and it's not in THEIR pockets. Boo hoo,

If people were so darn concerned, wouldn't cigarettes be made illegal first? Why not complain about all the nasties that are sprayed on food or used in adhesives, or are in a can of beans that have no need to be?

Until I hear an e-cigarette comparison made to a burning cigarette, they can yat all they want. It's just a big ol' smokescreen (vape screen?) while the "ruling classes" get on with all the nasty little tricks they are doing without a word from anyone or a report from any so called journalist.

And ahem - how many houses were burned down by kids with matches? How many kids drank stuff out of the kitchen cupboard or swallowed a watch battery or swallowed anything they shouldn't have. It's a pathetic state of affairs. I suspect that in the USA at least, the democrats know they are out out out come the election and are doing their darndest to ram through legislation to please their overlord Pfizer.

 

[choochoogranny]

For that matter, if e-cigs are as bad as traditional cigarettes, what's all the fuss about? The powers that be still allow tobacco to be sold knowing how lethal they can be. What right does government have to deny us another less deadly product?

After all they are NOT enforcing its own laws about an illegal, unfiltered plant product which is burned and inhaled in Colorado.

 

[Baditude]

I have no doubt that this alarm about the safety of e-cigs is just a front to get them banned or over-regulated to the point that they are no longer a threat to those companies/organizations which have a financial/political self interest.

Cigarettes and tobacco products will never be banned, despite their well-documented health-related issues, because of the financial stakes to government, unemployment, and tobacco/pharmaceutical companies. The state & federal government makes a big chunk of money from sin taxes. Big Tobacco employs thousands of tobacco farmers and tobacco product workers and banning these would cause massive unemployment, not to mention the loss of the aforementioned money that the government counts on in sin taxes. The Pharmaceutical companies are making big money on nicotine replacement products despite a poor stop smoking rate with their usage. All of them stand to gain with the banning or over-regulation of e-cig products.

This is a financial & political issue, not one of safety. Safety is only used as an ignorant excuse to over-regulate e-cigarettes to the point that they will not interfere with the status quo.

 

[B2L]

Just a thought that might be useful in arguing about the safety of vaping.

In the UK there are 2 million vapers[1] and 20 million people doing DIY[2]. DIY uses some dangerous tools, such as power drills and power saws, not to mention razor-sharp chisels and extension ladders. These tools and the materials for DIY are available with no restriction. You can buy roof tiles with no questions asked, even though fitting them is a highly dangerous task suited only to trained personnel.

Every year, there are 70 deaths and 250,000 injuries attributed to DIY work, with many of them due to inexperience and over-confidence[3].

If vaping was as dangerous as DIY, we would expect a tenth of those numbers -- 7 deaths and 25,000 injuries every year. But there have been no confirmed deaths even worldwide, and probably either no serious injuries, or a small handful of them. If we use the CDC's numbers[4] of 2,405 incidents in the USA over three and a half years, that would make 171 over the population of the UK per year. None of those incidents appears to have been serious.

And yet DIY has no benefit except for monetary gain. It does not improve health and near enough all work carried out by DIY could be done better by trained professionals.

By these measures, vaping appears to be well over a hundred times safer and its health benefits over smoking are undenied. Why do we need to make it safer still?

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[1] http://www.ash.org.uk/files/documents/ASH_891.pdf
[2] DIY Retailing - UK Market Report & Market Share
[3] DANGER WEEKEND LOOMS FOR DIY FANS... | RoSPA
[4] New CDC study finds dramatic increase in e-cigarette-related calls to poison centers | Press Release | CDC Online Newsroom | CDC

Check this out Peanut allergy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, what could be more marketed to children than peanut butter? Google death by peanut butter, it will astound you. If safety were the issue PB should be on the top of the list. Life is not safe and can't be regulated to the point of safety, it is all about money and control.

I have no doubt that this alarm about the safety of e-cigs is just a front to get them banned or over-regulated to the point that they are no longer a threat to those companies/organizations which have a financial/political self interest.

Cigarettes and tobacco products will never be banned, despite their well-documented health-related issues, because of the financial stakes to government, unemployment, and tobacco/pharmaceutical companies. The state & federal government makes a big chunk of money from sin taxes. Big Tobacco employs thousands of tobacco farmers and tobacco product workers and banning these would cause massive unemployment, not to mention the loss of the aforementioned money that the government counts on in sin taxes. The Pharmaceutical companies are making big money on nicotine replacement products despite a poor stop smoking rate with their usage. All of them stand to gain with the banning or over-regulation of e-cig products.

This is a financial & political issue, not one of safety. Safety is only used as an ignorant excuse to over-regulate e-cigarettes to the point that they will not interfere with the status quo.

Could not have said it better.

 

[wv2win]

Trying to ban vaping in 2009 and now installing Deeming Regulations that are a ban for everything but BT's cig-a-likes has never been about safety. Mitch Zeller (FDA), Tim McAfee (CDC), Senators Harkin, Boxer, Durbin, etc are nothing more than hypocrites. Protecting BP's profits, massive sin taxes, the ANTZ's funding from the MSA and the campaign donations from BP is what this is all about. This campaign against vaping easily compares to the 1890 - 1910 period when powerful politicians (Boss Tweed, etc) and a few massive corporations (Standard Oil, etc) were tied together and ruled this country.

We all need to be supporting CASAA financially and going to our local B & M and online vendors and cajoling them to get their customers to do the same. Here are two threads on how we can easily do our part:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...pport-casaa-fighting-deeming-regulations.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...really-easy-people-do-something-positive.html

 

[Hulamoon]

+1 from me on CASAA, they really are our best hope along with vaping stores for the underhanded sneaky legislation that government is trying to sliver through.

Please consider a monthly donation - $10 a month or anything really. It all helps. We spend a fortune on vaping gear and new toys so please please consider CASAA next time that uber tank/PV comes along.