How To: DIY Oak Barrel Reserve

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What do you guys think of this idea: Say I get a bunch of good quality oak chips (maybe even ground up) and soak them in a little bit of pure grain alcohol (just enough to cover the chips) let that soak for 2-4 weeks, then remove the chips and evaporate the alcohol down to a small size, then use this as a flavor additive. Do you think that would work well, or do you think we would get better results with soaking e-juice in oak chips? What about using PG instead of grain alcohol? Do you think that would pull all the good flavors? I am about to order a bunch of oak chips and maybe a spiral or two and try various methods.

The 2 I am most interested in are soaking the chips while in the ultrasonic cleaner and the alcohol/PG extraction method.

I do really want to get one of those barrels as well, but I think I might be able to experiment more with chips, and can always change up what chips are used.
 
What do you guys think of this idea: Say I get a bunch of good quality oak chips (maybe even ground up) and soak them in a little bit of pure grain alcohol (just enough to cover the chips) let that soak for 2-4 weeks, then remove the chips and evaporate the alcohol down to a small size, then use this as a flavor additive. Do you think that would work well, or do you think we would get better results with soaking e-juice in oak chips? What about using PG instead of grain alcohol? Do you think that would pull all the good flavors? I am about to order a bunch of oak chips and maybe a spiral or two and try various methods.

I think you'd be reinventing high proof bourbon!!
 

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Yes I got them all at Mt. Baker Vapor. Here is a pic of the 2 flavors you asked about. Crazy thing is I can't find them on their site anymore...

Edit: I just asked in the MBV thread if anyone knew what happened to those 2 flavors and they said Mt. Baker got rid of them. Wow just in time hah?

Yeah, lucky! Time to try out a different combo.
 

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What do you guys think of this idea: Say I get a bunch of good quality oak chips (maybe even ground up) and soak them in a little bit of pure grain alcohol (just enough to cover the chips) let that soak for 2-4 weeks, then remove the chips and evaporate the alcohol down to a small size, then use this as a flavor additive. Do you think that would work well, or do you think we would get better results with soaking e-juice in oak chips? What about using PG instead of grain alcohol? Do you think that would pull all the good flavors? I am about to order a bunch of oak chips and maybe a spiral or two and try various methods.

The 2 I am most interested in are soaking the chips while in the ultrasonic cleaner and the alcohol/PG extraction method.

I do really want to get one of those barrels as well, but I think I might be able to experiment more with chips, and can always change up what chips are used.

I love the chip idea. I haven't gotten around to it yet. Let us know how it goes please.

The "GREAT BUNG HOLY O"..LOL:D..This has me wondering on a new way to make some good juice, i may try it, So if i do can i ask away with questions?..Thanks for the post , it really has me wanting to try this..VAPE ON !!!:vapor:

Awesome definitely give it a go if you can. It's very gratifying and you get a one of a kind juice.

Yeah, lucky! Time to try out a different combo.

Yeah maybe substitute vanilla tobacco and the regular maple. You would basically just be moving the tobacco to the vanilla side.

I've got a lot of black cherry on my property. It has an indescribable, yet non-offending, smell to it when cut and a pleasant aroma when burned. I'm going to try this out on a Mild Black Tobacco I make and like. Very interesting post.

That would be very cool, let us know if you do that.

I have heard that MBV gets their flavors from Vapor West, and VW has both of those on their website. Their smallest size is 4oz. There is a note on their website that says smaller sizes are available at diyjuice who seem to only have .25oz (7.5ml) bottles. The tobacco flavors on that website are listed in the "Smoke" category

What is Vapor West's website I can't fiund it. Do you mean Flavor West maybe?
 
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Muggs, I will do! I think after work today I am going to swing by a local homebrew shop that sells chips and pick a couple up. I've also got more flavors coming as well as a good Ultrasonic Cleaner, so I should be able to get this rolling this week! Very exciting.

I think I'm gonna add the chips to my all day juice because I am so familiar with it. It's a Graham Cracker Tobacco blend and I think a smokey oak flavor would enhance it so much!

Thanks again for the awesome post! I was starting to fall into a groove with DIY, just making my all day juice, not really experimenting anymore, but this brought me back!
 

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Muggs, I will do! I think after work today I am going to swing by a local homebrew shop that sells chips and pick a couple up. I've also got more flavors coming as well as a good Ultrasonic Cleaner, so I should be able to get this rolling this week! Very exciting.

I think I'm gonna add the chips to my all day juice because I am so familiar with it. It's a Graham Cracker Tobacco blend and I think a smokey oak flavor would enhance it so much!

Thanks again for the awesome post! I was starting to fall into a groove with DIY, just making my all day juice, not really experimenting anymore, but this brought me back!

Anytime man good luck it should be fun. Starting with your ADV is a good idea. It will really give you a sense of the affect of the barrel. Then you can take that knowledge and DIY recipes around it.
 

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I had a very successful experiment making my own white oak barrel reserve. The barrel reserve companies charge a decent amount of money for their juice so I figured I would make a how to so you can make your own unique reserve at home and either save some money or make something unique. Enjoy.

Supplies with cost:

- 1 liter charred oak barrel - $40
- Oak barrel sanitizing kit - $15
- 150ml+ glass beaker / measuring cup - $5
- 2.5ml+ dropper - $2
- Fine mesh stainless steel tea strainer - $2
- 4 30ml empty plastic bottles - $3.25

*Cost based on $29.99 per 276ml of nicotine and $2.99 per 15ml of flavoring.

- 152ml Unflavored Nicotine - $16.50
- 5.7ml East Coast Tobacco Flavoring - $1.13
- 5.7ml Coumarin Pipe Tobacco Flavoring - $1.13
- 7.6ml Maple Rum Tobacco Flavoring - $1.50
- 7.6ml Toasted Almond Flavoring - $1.50
- 5.7ml Madagascar Vanilla Flavoring - $1.13
- 5.7ml Brown Sugar Flavoring - $1.13

- Total cost: $91.27

Preparation:

When your barrel arrives you must rinse it out with boiling water at least 3 times.

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Then add the contents of your barrel cleaning kit with hot water until the barrel is full to the top. Plug it with the included bung and let it sit for 3 days to sanitize and expand the barrel to prevent leaking. Check the barrel each day for 3 days and add hot water as needed to keep it full. After 3 days is up rinse your barrel with hot water 3 times and you are ready to go.

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The Recipe:

(24mg 65PG/35VG) Nicotine E-Liquid - 152 ml – 3,040 drops 80 %
East Coast Tobacco – 5.7 ml - 114 drops 3 %
Coumarin Pipe Tobacco – 5.7 ml - 114 drops 3 %
Maple Rum Tobacco– 7.6 ml - 152 drops 4 %
Toasted Almond – 5.7 ml - 114 drops 3 %
Madagascar Vanilla – 7.6 ml - 152 drops 4 %
Brown Sugar –5.7 ml - 114 drops 3 %

Totals - 190 ml - 600 drops at 100 %
18 mg Nicotine per ml - 73.75%PG -26.25%VG

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At this point your barrel is ready and your juice is mixed. It should be a light brown color like honey.

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Pour your liquid through the top of the barrel making sure the barrel’s pour spout is in the closed position. Then plug the top of the barrel with the supplied bung. Lightly shake the barrel once per day to ensure your juice continues to have an even mix. Pull the bung out of the top once per day as well for at least 5 minutes to let your juice breathe.

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Steeping:

Let the juice steep for at least 7 days before you take your first sample pouring through your strainer.
Then take a sample every 3 days until you love your juice. Two weeks is about the perfect amount of time.

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You can see in the progressing samples below that the juice darkens in the barrel over time.

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The Final Pour:

Once you are ready to pull your juice I recommend you pour from the top of the barrel upside down. Make sure to pour your juice through the fine mesh stainless steel strainer into your glass beaker for bottle distribution. Your liquid should be a very dark brown at this point.

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Cost Comparison:

The cost of all of the supplies was about $92.00. Out of 190ml I was able to bottle 135ml so the barrel took 55ml for itself. So $92 for 135ml of reserve is $0.68 per ml or $20.40 per 30ml bottle.

Bought Reserve = $38.00 per 30ml
DIY Reserve = $20.40 per 30ml

So you will save about $18.00 per 30ml bottle on your very first try and it only gets cheaper from there because you already have all of the supplies.

Final Thought:

The white oak barrel made a dramatic impact on the juice. It brought out the tobaccos, put the sweets in the background and added a bit of a smoky flavor to it. It is truly worth every penny to DIY your own reserve and if you ever have any questions I will be glad to help. Thank you.

Hope much flavor stays in the Barrel? Can it be wash out effectively to change flavors?
 

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If you were to make the same juice over and over in the barrel would you ever need to re-clean it? I'm basically wondering if all the flavor can get seeped out, or if the barrel can get saturated and not release any more flavor. Just curious!

Yeah I would re-clean after every 2 batches at the most for safety. To be honest I haven't done enough batches to where I have lost flavor and my 2nd is almost about to be drained. Plus it's going to be a few weeks at least before I do a 3rd batch in it because I have a ton of juice right now haha.

yep, Flavor West it is. Fat fingers, bourbon, lack of sleep, paying too much attention to the Olympics on the tv is my excuse!

Ok cool. The bourbon and whiskey flavors in my whiskey cola are from flavor west. I also have fruit stripe gum and graham cracker from them too. All the flavorings are pretty good, on the strong side. They are a lot stronger than Mt. Baker Vapors flavorings for sure.
 

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Alrighty so I went out and got some medium roast French oak chips. I boiled them for 15 minutes (holy crap, this process smelled SO GOOD - I hope the flavor turns out this good!) then strained the chips and let them sit in front of my heater to try and get excess water out. I then put the chips in a mason jar and covered them in grain alcohol (about 1.5 times the volume of the chips).

The chip directions say a couple weeks for steeping in wine, but this morning my grain alcohol was getting pretty dark. Not sure how long I should soak it for.. I feel like grain alcohol will pull flavors from the chips much faster - so any suggestions? I might try taking a bit from it today, then in a week, and then another week, and compare them.

Pretty excited, though, if that boiling smell is any indication! It'll make a really great addition.. it was sort of like a woody caramel-vanilla scent.
 

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Nope, just to extract the flavor, then I'm going to evaporate the alcohol down to a small manageable size. Then I will either use that directly to flavor juice or add the alcohol to PG and try to evaporate the alcohol, leaving only the flavor and PG.

Once I get the rest of my DIY supply I will also try to soak a large amount of juice in the chips directly.

My Ultrasonic Cleaner should be here today so I am excited about that. I might divide up the chips and alcohol and put half in the ultrasonic cleaner and see if I can speed the process up. Still not sure how long I should steep the chips in alcohol.. I don't want to over-steep it and start extracting bitter nasty tannins or anything like that!
 

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Nope, just to extract the flavor, then I'm going to evaporate the alcohol down to a small manageable size. Then I will either use that directly to flavor juice or add the alcohol to PG and try to evaporate the alcohol, leaving only the flavor and PG.

Once I get the rest of my DIY supply I will also try to soak a large amount of juice in the chips directly.

My Ultrasonic Cleaner should be here today so I am excited about that. I might divide up the chips and alcohol and put half in the ultrasonic cleaner and see if I can speed the process up. Still not sure how long I should steep the chips in alcohol.. I don't want to over-steep it and start extracting bitter nasty tannins or anything like that!

Good stuff let us know how it goes for sure. My thought process in the beginning was the flavorings are made of PG and alcohol. So the alcohol in the PG will extrtact the flavor which it actually did. I'm guessing it will be more so using the alcohol soaking technique.

I just ordered "Red Oak Tobacco" from high desert vapes... I wonder if it's going to be anything like this oak barrel reserve? I'm really hoping there won't be any sweetness, just the tannic bitterness of oak -- THAT's what I'm looking for!

Andria

Let us know I'm curious. I made mine to be lightly sweet with the tobaccos in front. My whiskey cola will be done in a day or so then I'm going to steep a straight tobacco in the barrel and see what flavors it can pull from the previous 2 batches.
 

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Muggs - quick update, I took about 30ml or so from the soaking chips. Put a drop on my tongue - tastes quite good! Very woody with a vanilla caramel note.. I think it will go really well as a light additive!

I won't really be able to test it all out until this weekend.. my required flavors are still in the mail. Very exciting, though!

On Friday I will mix my ADV and I will set aside a small sample, maybe 15ml or so, and I will add the wood chip extract.. The only issue, if it works good, is reproducing the flavor exactly each time.. I will have to just get a lot of chips next time and make a huge batch.. they are cheap enough so it's no big deal really..

I will also weigh the chips next time and use a precise amount of alcohol and time. I still feel like batches will differ no matter what I do, but maybe I'm wrong. I just imagine batches of wood chips vary from each other slightly.
 
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