How to fix a REO? constant misfires....

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nerak

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I have had my Grand almost a year. Bought it used too. If the battery is good, and the atty, and it does not fire it is because I have turned the button just a little towards lock as I pushed it. When I turn it back all the way it fires right up. There is little to fail with the switch.
Some people push the switch really hard, that might cause a problem with time.
 

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OMG! Thank you guys---thanks doots! The mini is working again after a little light sanding (and i had to straighten the firing pin a little too with some needle nose pliers--must have pushed real hard when it wasn't working properly)
Sanded it, a little noalox, tightened everything back up a little and....bam! fired right up! The button still seems to have too much 'play' in it, and if I don't press it just right, then it won't fire. Oh well, maybe a little more tweaking.
Ltrainer--I'll have to get a few IMR 14500 for the mini, never crossed my mind because the Li ion always worked just fine, guess I've been using more LR attys lately and should go for the high drain batts anyway.
On to try and fix the Grand...
 

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A multi meter w/ a contunity tester would instantly elievate any questions on the problem. Weather it be the batts or the mod it self. I highly recommend anyone that vapes have one. Its as essintal as everything else we use.

cybercop if you can get your hands on one it will tell you all you need to know. You can use the continuity tester to see if the switch did infact fail as well as the voltage tester. Use the voltage tester to see if the batts are good. if there good check the connector of the mod to see if you have power there when you press the button. Use the contunuity tester to check the connection between the firing pin and the atty conector and checkin your grounds.
 

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OMG! Thank you guys---thanks doots! The mini is working again after a little light sanding (and i had to straighten the firing pin a little too with some needle nose pliers--must have pushed real hard when it wasn't working properly)
Sanded it, a little noalox, tightened everything back up a little and....bam! fired right up! The button still seems to have too much 'play' in it, and if I don't press it just right, then it won't fire. Oh well, maybe a little more tweaking.
Ltrainer--I'll have to get a few IMR 14500 for the mini, never crossed my mind because the Li ion always worked just fine, guess I've been using more LR attys lately and should go for the high drain batts anyway.
On to try and fix the Grand...

That is good Cyber. Glad its working.
 

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I posted this awhile back.... It shows how important it is to use AW IMR 14500's when using LR attys:


We are talking facts here... TF / UF 14500 900mAh batteries (No matter what color the wrapper is) are rated by the manufacturer as putting out a maximum 1.3 amps A Low Resistance 1.5 ohm atomizer @ 3.7v requires 2.47 amps of power. Right off the bat we see that the LR 1.5 ohm atty is attempting to draw close to DOUBLE the rated amps of the TF UF 14500 900mAh battery. Will it work? Yes.. Is it stressing the battery? Yes, VERY much. It is not good, and can be potentially dangerous.

I just happen to have a month old TrustFire 14500 900mAh 3.7v battery which was included in a mod purchase. I also have a AW IMR 14500 600mAh 3.7v high drain battery. I have a LR VaporKings 1.5 ohm atty, and a big honking Leo standard ohm cartomizer. To throw in the mix, I also have a BDL IMR 14500 600mAh 3.7v high drain battery. These are lower cost IMR batteries, which have a reputation of not performing well.

Let's test these out... (Click To Enlarge All Pics)





Using my Craftsman Digital MM, the VaporKing 1.5 ohm atty actually ohms in @ 1.7 ohms, and the Leo Standard Resistance carto @ 3.0 ohms.




ALL 3 batteries are fresh off of my Swiss design Pila charger, which is considered one of the best chargers available. Let's take an initial voltage reading with no load on the REO Mini using a voltmeter which also has a top atty connector to measure actual voltage under load.. (TrustFire / BDL / AW IMR)





Nothing unusual here.. All 3 batteries are around the same voltage with no load as they should be. :)


Now, let's take a reading with the VaporKings LR 510 atty to get a reading under load. These pics were all taken after a 5 second button press on the Mini....





Given the TrustFire has an amp output rating of only 1.3 amps, and is attempting to power the LR atty which is attempting to draw around 2.47 amps, this extreme voltage drop is to be expected, and is REALLY stressing the battery. This is a 3.7v battery sucked down to 3.40v fresh off the charger with only a 5 second button press. The BDL does not fare much better for being marketed as an IMR high drain battery. The AW IMR is supplying more than enough amperage, and maintains it's rated 3.7V.


Now, let's throw the 3.0 ohm standard resistance Leo carto on with a 5 second button press...





Again, all batteries are performing as expected. The 3.0 ohm Leo carto is well within the rated amp output of the TrustFire 14500. The TF is not stressed, and is maintaining a consistant 3.72v. The same is true with the BDL... Neither of these batteries are stressed, and are performing as designed. The AW IMR maintains a whopping 3.90v with the 3.0 ohm carto, and despite the TrustFire being rated @ 900mAh, the AW IMR will actually last longer, and supply a steady high amp output. :)

This is not smoke and mirrors folks... Many vendors are selling the voltmeters which include a connector for under load readings. Feel free to try the same tests yourself.. I guarantee you will get the same results.. ;)
 

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A multi meter w/ a contunity tester would instantly elievate any questions on the problem. Weather it be the batts or the mod it self. I highly recommend anyone that vapes have one. Its as essintal as everything else we use.

cybercop if you can get your hands on one it will tell you all you need to know. You can use the continuity tester to see if the switch did infact fail as well as the voltage tester. Use the voltage tester to see if the batts are good. if there good check the connector of the mod to see if you have power there when you press the button. Use the contunuity tester to check the connection between the firing pin and the atty conector and checkin your grounds.

...off to get a multi meter. Should have got one a long time ago when I started on this vaping journey. You're right, it is an essential piece of equipment that can save a lot of steps when troubleshooting this equipment.
 

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I love this process of trouble shooting. We need a flow chart...lol.

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Glad to hear there's some progress!
 

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A clean mod is a happy mod . A drop of noalox on the tip of the firing pin works wonders . Thanks for helping out folks I really appreciate it .
Anything to try to keep the repairs off your back so as you can concentrate on the business of getting more mods out the door :lol:
 

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OMG! Thank you guys---thanks doots! The mini is working again after a little light sanding (and i had to straighten the firing pin a little too with some needle nose pliers--must have pushed real hard when it wasn't working properly)
Sanded it, a little noalox, tightened everything back up a little and....bam! fired right up! The button still seems to have too much 'play' in it, and if I don't press it just right, then it won't fire. Oh well, maybe a little more tweaking.
Ltrainer--I'll have to get a few IMR 14500 for the mini, never crossed my mind because the Li ion always worked just fine, guess I've been using more LR attys lately and should go for the high drain batts anyway.
On to try and fix the Grand...

+1 on the noalox -- great conductive paste!

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This calls for a happy dance!

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Well....I'm so glad this problem got solved without my expertize being needed. :lol: The problem got fix before I got to the end of this thread. Whew!

This is in no way a dig at you Terry but you must have some good advice too again this is in no way a dig at you :)
 
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