How to Get Around Future E Cig Taxes

[CMD-Ky]

There has been 2 children I know of that died from e-juice, one was a couple years ago now in another country and this one a few months ago First Child's Death From Liquid Nicotine Reported as 'Vaping' Gains Popularity - ABC News

It is sad that children die due to the stupidity or laziness of the parent. The universe need not suffer for localized stupidity. Charge the parent with involuntary manslaughter, incarcerate them and move on leaving the rest of us alone.

 

[caramel]

Shall be regulated as "food for thought".

 

[CMD-Ky]

The primary process and smaller local elections is the only hope and it is faint. It is the best chance to put candidates forward who at least start with integrity and reasonable concepts of governmental intervention [few will finish that way].

I was also frustrated by the "lesser of two evils" (jackass is too mild a term imo) BS - choosing either is still a vote for evil. That's why I got involved in primaries - to try to put GOOD people on the ballot. It's still frustrating, as both major parties are full of evil people wanting to elect evil people, but it can be done, especially if we get more good people involved - strength in numbers.

Learn about the primary process in your state and get involved! Get involved in local politics as well - this is where your future reps at the federal level will start, so help some good people get their foot in the door! (Not to mention how having good people in your local govt can help you in a much more direct way!)

 

[caramel]

Do you want e-liquid to be regulated like the food industry?

Would this also come with the obligation to allow its consumption wherever food consumption is allowed?

 

[caramel]

There has been one. He injected 100mg concentrate in a deliberate suicide.

You can achieve the same effect through injecting fresh air.

The discussion was about using vaping as intended.

 

[soysos]

The point is there has been one in 8 years. Compare that to say Tylenol, which has 10,000 or so every year.

 

[stevegmu]

The point is there has been one in 8 years. Compare that to say Tylenol, which has 10,000 or so every year.

Since when is death the threshold at which something ingested needs to have certain standards to be sold?

 

[pdxjlb]

It would be nice to see e-juice companies selling their recipes for personal use. I know I would purchase a few recipes if they just made it a consideration. I might even sign a non-disclosure paper if they wanted me to. Damn, these online regs/bans, and taxes are going to F everyone over. Of course there will always be scumbags that will ruin things, but we have to at some point trust that some of us are as ethical as we can be.

 

[AndriaD]

Sure they do. That does not legitimize them.

ROFL!!!

Andria

 

[CMD-Ky]

Love it.
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ROFL!!!

Andria

 

[zoiDman]

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It's time we stop complaining & start uniting to come up with solutions.

Just Curious.

Did you find Any of those Solutions that you were Looking For?

 

[caramel]

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ROFL!!!

Andria

We shall not forget these either:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/media-general-news/653504-hoax-teen-killed-lung-cancer-e-cig.html

 

[soysos]

Just Curious.

Did you find Any of those Solutions that you were Looking For?

I'm going to play devil's advocate here and say that e liquid should be regulated and taxed. We need to make sure that:
1 it is not being solved to minors
2. Manufacturers are following basic sanitation practices
3. That all ingredients are listed on the label and the contents are as stated
4. That it does not contain toxic levels of contamination

With the exception of number 1 the are the same regulations on manufactured foods, and since this type of regulation costs money I would support a reasonable tax. The key words here are a reasonable tax to pay for sensible regulation.

 

[stevegmu]

I'm going to play devil's advocate here and say that e liquid should be regulated and taxed. We need to make sure that:
1 it is not being solved to minors
2. Manufacturers are following basic sanitation practices
3. That all ingredients are listed on the label and the contents are as stated
4. That it does not contain toxic levels of contamination

With the exception of number 1 the are the same regulations on manufactured foods, and since this type of regulation costs money I would support a reasonable tax.

Surely you must be ANTS... What agency would oversee such regulation?

 

[caramel]

All good intentions I'm sure but selling regulations and taxes to (ex-)smokers ain't easy. First you'll have to prove the benefits. And second explain why those benefits can't be achieved through any other methods. I'm all ears.

 

[CMD-Ky]

All good intentions I'm sure but selling regulations and taxes to (ex-)smokers ain't easy. First you'll have to prove the benefits. And second explain why those benefits can't be achieved through any other methods. I'm all ears.

Why prove anything to anyone? The Beloved Leader has a phone and he has a pen, so if the Leader decides that "it's the right thing to do" then he will just do it. Half the country will say it is wonderful but may not go "far enough" and the other half will squeal in utter impotence.

 

[caramel]

Why prove anything to anyone? The Beloved Leader has a phone and he has a pen, so if the Leader decides that "it's the right thing to do" then he will just do it. Half the country will say it is wonderful but may not go "far enough" and the other half will squeal in utter impotence.

Well there's obviously more work to be done. The whole country should applaud starting with the Leader's movement to reach the pen.

 

[soysos]

All good intentions I'm sure but selling regulations and taxes to (ex-)smokers ain't easy. First you'll have to prove the benefits. And second explain why those benefits can't be achieved through any other methods. I'm all ears.

This is very true but firmly believe that establishing and enforcing sanitation and labeling standards is desirable to vapers. This would at the very least require a license for producers to pay for routine health inspections.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Well there's obviously more work to be done. The whole country should applaud starting with the Leader's movement to reach the pen.

Oh, my! I would prefer the elected representatives start the action rather than the Leader deciding what is right and reaching for his pen. I prefer a constitutional republic to the Beloved Leader deciding what is right and setting about to "do the right thing". There is a difference of monumental significance.

 

[NancyR]

It is simple, regulation and taxation are going to happen, it is just a matter of when and how bad. That is why groups like CASAA need to be supported so we have some say in it when it happens.