How to Get Around Future E Cig Taxes

[tj99959]

Makes me question the high taxes on wage income. Possibly they determined that working is harmful and want to discourage it.

I was thinking my house must really be a hazard.

 

[soysos]

Makes me question the high taxes on wage income. Possibly they determined that working is harmful and want to discourage it.

That's the idea. The fewer people working the greater the dependency on government, the more power they have.

 

[caramel]

Estate taxes were established in order to discourage death.

 

[tj99959]

Estate taxes were established in order to discourage death.

But that's so that you can keep paying taxes.

 

[mauricem00]

That's the idea. The fewer people working the greater the dependency on government, the more power they have.

taxes on working people do not make us dependent on government. they are only generous with their rich friends, they only help to keep us poor and working so hard just to survive that we do not have time or resources to stand up and fight for our god given rights. government and the rich work together to enslave us.when the south accused the north of making people "wage slaves" they had a valid point

 

[soysos]

Until you give up on the struggle and take a government handout, then they own you.

 

[Rossum]

The reason tobacco is taxed so high is the government utilizes that power to discourage use.

Of course, just like a Nanny, government is simply trying to make sure we don't hurt ourselves. After all the politicians are wise, honest, caring people who want nothing but the best for their livestock, er, I mean constituents.

You already pay more for vaping than smoking already.

Uh, no, not unless you have Gear Acquisition Syndrome.

 

[VHRB2014]

Taxed Enough Already?

That`s right, that what it stands for, simple language. We are Taxed Enough Already. Want to call us dirty names and infer that we are against particular forms of freedom, the other side is usually doing exactly what they claim there opponents are doing.

I`m ready for a Rand and Rubio ticket, or some combo that is "very" similar.
Its time to show these dirt bags that a third party is not only viable, but doable. Its either that or they get a big smoking piece of the 4th branch of government, and no sane person wants that.

Edited to add, GO UKIP! :?)

 

[V8porism]

Big Agriculture, Big Pharma, Big tobacco can't tax you, can't regulate you, can't jail you. Big government can do all three. I fear Big Government far more than corporations. Corporations have power because we elect corrupt politicians; the power is not an inherent property of a corporation. It is given them by the criminals that we have elected. To paraphrase the Beloved Leader, elections have consequences.

if the government gets ahold of the internet, you will be buying your stuff from the government

When I started vaping (2011) the FDA was involved in a lawsuit, customs was seizing shipments, and the end of vaping was looming over our heads. 4 years later that hasn't changed much, they are just using different tactics now. Even without the tax issue, the end of vaping is still looming over our heads.

So even back then I figured it was prudent to at least learn how to become "self reliant" in case hell froze over. That meant learning how to make my own mods & atomizers, and DIY my own liquids.

At this point I fight legislation for your benefit, I can easily vape for the rest of my life without ever buying anything. I already have everything I will ever need.

Well said! I think we should be a "self reliant" community.

 

[VHRB2014]

"The devil's greatest trick was convincing mankind he doesn't exist."
The government's greatest trick is convincing the public that their vote doesn't count.

Vote vote vote!
It's the only way we will ever win this battle.
Local elections are more important than you can ever imagine.

I hear young people every day saying "I don't vote because it doesn't matter".
Insanity.

Whilst walking down the street the other day, I ran into Evil. We then had a short discussion on whether he existed or not. I insisting that he did, for I could see him and his works. He countered that he was not Evil per say, but just the culmination of bad decisions and misguided choices. It was when I had made up my mind to refuse his argument and walk away, that he shot me.

 

[V8porism]

I completely agree with you. This is about protecting our freedom. E juice is really a food product which we are ingesting. We shouldn't be taxed on par with tobacco products simply because it looks like we're smoking!

 

[stevegmu]

I completely agree with you. This is about protecting our freedom. E juice is really a food product which we are ingesting. We shouldn't be taxed on par with tobacco products simply because it looks like we're smoking!

Should it be regulated as every other food product is?

 

[NancyR]

We all know the roles of BT and BP in vaping and why they want people to smoke, but what many don't realize is how the states NEED people to keep smoking.

When the states got money from the MSA (Master Settlement Agreement) many of them took out loans on that money. No big surprise there, states always say they need money, but most of the loans say they must be paid with money received from the MSA. The MSA money is paid off the yearly tobacco sales in that state. They can not use any other money to pay it, so the states such as CA, WA, and several others need people to smoke so they have the funds to repay these loans. It should not come as a surprise the states pushing the hardest right now with regulation are the same states getting ready to default on these loans.

 

[VHRB2014]

Should it be regulated as every other food product is?

Oh ya, that`s worked on well.
Foodborne illness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

To the best of "my" limited knowledge, not a single person has ever died from e-juice poisoning.
Can you site any case`s?

Just based on facts, I would think the cry for regulating e-juice is based on nothing more than fear mongering.

 

[stevegmu]

We all know the roles of BT and BP in vaping and why they want people to smoke, but what many don't realize is how the states NEED people to keep smoking.

When the states got money from the MSA (Master Settlement Agreement) many of them took out loans on that money. No big surprise there, states always say they need money, but most of the loans say they must be paid with money received from the MSA. The MSA money is paid off the yearly tobacco sales in that state. They can not use any other money to pay it, so the states such as CA, WA, and several others need people to smoke so they have the funds to repay these loans. It should not come as a surprise the states pushing the hardest right now with regulation are the same states getting ready to default on these loans.

Hasn't California declared bankruptcy, or was it just individual cities?

 

[V8porism]

Not to be a Devils advocate, but I hope you all do know that the government doesn't put high taxes on certain things to steal all your money away. The reason tobacco is taxed so high is the government utilizes that power to discourage use. You know it, I know it, we all know it, smoking tobacco is bad. That's why we're here, to not smoke tobacco. The government knows too, and taxes is one way they are able to discourage it.

Now onto vaporizers, it is considered the safer alternative to cigarettes. Also, the long term effects are still unknown. Based on past knowledge of putting stuff into our lungs, it's not going to be heaven, but it might get us there sooner. Thus to discourage use but still be able to keep regulations and not put it on prohibition, the government will tax it high. It's the way it works.

Now reading the first post, this is the problem with the majority of vape users today-it's either I vape or I smoke cigarettes. Haven't you realized that the problem here is you have an incredible vice on yourself that is now dictating your entire life? If you don't want to deal with incredibly high taxes that are meant to TRULY save your life from any chemicals entering your lungs, then just breathe air. Discipline and control your vice. If you really want to vape and smoke, then you'd be willing to pay the extra price. You already pay more for vaping than smoking already.

This is just my opinion, feel free to (dis)agree.

You do realize that this forum is for vapors, right? Your shared vitriolic sentiments represent the complete antithesis of what this community is all about.

The vast majority of us are ex-smokers. We (and I stress, WE) enjoy Vaping. We want a safe way to enjoy consuming a food product- NOT a highly addictive chemically-laced concoction. We basically want to consume a product which is on par with drinking coffee.

In terms of chemical composition, nicotine and caffeine are almost identical. Nicotine is an organic compound which we ingest from sources, such as peppers, on a regular basis. Just as is the case with consuming coffee devoid of caffeine, there are zero-Nic variations of the food product called "e-juice."

The beauty of Vaping is that you can quit smoking by ingesting nicotine and then gradually reduce & eliminate your consumption of nicotine.

To digress:

We are not all engaging in a dangerous cycle of addiction. We are consuming a FOOD product & are being targeted as a new source of income by sleazy corrupt government officials who receive contributions from Big Pharma and Big Tobacco to "restore order" in this HEALTH REVOLUTION.

Vaping is a movement. I refuse to pay cigarette taxes for a zero-Nic food product!!!

http://youtu.be/huvPuCYoBGs

 

[soysos]

Oh ya, that`s worked on well.
Foodborne illness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

To the best of "my" limited knowledge, not a single person has ever died from e-juice poisoning.
Can you site any case`s?

Just based on facts, I would think the cry for regulating e-juice is based on nothing more than fear mongering.

There has been one. He injected 100mg concentrate in a deliberate suicide.

 

[V8porism]

I don't get why we haven't had a huge lawsuit based on the fact that zero-nic ejuice is a food product. They have no rights to treat this like tobacco. They should be treating ejuice like coffee.

 

[NancyR]

Oh ya, that`s worked on well.
Foodborne illness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

To the best of "my" limited knowledge, not a single person has ever died from e-juice poisoning.
Can you site any case`s?

Just based on facts, I would think the cry for regulating e-juice is based on nothing more than fear mongering.

There has been 2 children I know of that died from e-juice, one was a couple years ago now in another country and this one a few months ago First Child's Death From Liquid Nicotine Reported as 'Vaping' Gains Popularity - ABC News

 

[AndriaD]

Makes me question the high taxes on wage income. Possibly they determined that working is harmful and want to discourage it.

I think that's true.. otherwise why send all those American jobs to the 3rd world??? Obviously they WANT a whole nation of unemployed and underemployed people who can barely survive!

If the gov't wanted jobs to stay in America, they'd put high tariffs on companies that outsource.

Andria