How to Get Around Future E Cig Taxes

[DC2]

Also, I hope you realize the government spends a substantial amount of money on smoking-related health care.

The Toll of Tobacco in the United States - Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids

There are lots of studies that say non-smokers cost more than smokers in the long run.
I don't have any links, nor do I have time to find them now as we are leaving for dinner shortly.

But I will say this, you are very brave to be posting something from Campaign For tobacco-Free Kids on this forum.
I wouldn't trust them if they told me the sky was blue.

 

[caramel]

This is very true but firmly believe that establishing and enforcing sanitation and labeling standards is desirable to vapers. This would at the very least require a license for producers to pay for routine health inspections.

Let's see the cost benefit analysis.

 

[Rossum]

Let's see the cost benefit analysis.

How heartless of you!

 

[soysos]

Of course it doesn't have to be government run oversight. Before health departments the best way to be sure you were entering a clean restaurant was the Duncan Hines sticker. A private company providing the same oversight.

 

[caramel]

Of course it doesn't have to be government run oversight. Before health departments the best way to be sure you were entering a clean restaurant was the Duncan Hines sticker. A private company providing the same oversight.

You mean something like AEMSA?

 

[AndriaD]

You mean something like AEMSA?

Yeah, except without the ignorant and prejudiced ban on WTA.

Andria

 

[2buildawall]

Andria I am referring to free market pressure from the consumer (demand) before government regulation. The unfortunate thing is that the government will intervene before the consumer market is allowed to have an impact (Socialist).

I think force was a bit strong but as consumers we can have an impact on the market. Supply and demand with emphasis on demand.

 

[soysos]

For a free market solution you have to think critic, rather than regulation. Again like Duncan Hines, touring producers and judging the standards. Is the facility clean? Is the equipment sanitized regularly? Are they using quality ingredients? Is there anything questionable, if so is it on the label? These are the things most of us want to know about our juice. Someone would go around, tour these producers and publish their findings. Maybe if the standards are high enough allow them a stamp on the label. The hard part is ensuring impartiality in the critic.

 

[inclination]

There are lots of studies that say non-smokers cost more than smokers in the long run.
I don't have any links, nor do I have time to find them now as we are leaving for dinner shortly.

But I will say this, you are very brave to be posting something from Campaign For tobacco-Free Kids on this forum.
I wouldn't trust them if they told me the sky was blue.

How about the CDC?

CDC - Fact Sheet - Economic Facts About U.S. Tobacco Production and Use - Smoking & Tobacco Use

That's the first time I looked at the site Campaign For Tobacco-Free Kids for statistics, however I don't know why it would be badly placed on a site such as this. Judging from the name, you, us and them are all against the same thing. Tobacco.

However, the studies of non smokers costing more in the long run makes sense because of elongated lives. Just depends on how long you want to live, I guess.

To be honest, we won't really know anything about the positive and negative effects of vaping until decades from now. It took almost a century to figure out cigarettes increased your risk of death. The government wants to prevent this problem in future. Just don't be that person who regrets the decisions they made on a premature deathbed and blame the government for not stepping in, just like cigarettes.

 

[soysos]

again not exactly an impartial source considering how much of that tax revenue they get. I would wager that very few of us are against tobacco, only against it in our own lives.

 

[V8porism]

While there are many great points in this conjecture, we are getting a bit off-point.

E juice is a food product. We should not get taxed the same rates which are applied to tobacco products.

We must stand together to protect our rights.

So- What can we do? How are we going to beat the system which is trying to keep milking us for taxes? How are we going to fight this?


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[inclination]

again not exactly an impartial source considering how much of that tax revenue they get. I would wager that very few of us are against tobacco, only against it in our own lives.

16 billion for federal and 17 billion for accumulated states is about 40% of costs accumulated with respect to smoking a year.

If the issue here is that the government doesn't allow you to do what you want, then people here should also bring their issues to the 82% of the people in the United States that don't smoke. This 82% does not want people bothering them with their vapor or smoke anymore, no matter how less bad it potentially is or could be. This is the harsh reality for us vapors and people who want to continue smoking. We are a tick in a system with nothing worth while to show for it, besides the claim "we want to do it so we will." As all other things unacceptable by society as a whole, the government will slap rough regulations so it is perceived as safer and sin taxes on it to discourage use until it eventually evaporates

 

[stevegmu]

While there are many great points in this conjecture, we are getting a bit off-point.

E juice is a food product. We should not get taxed the same rates which are applied to tobacco products.

We must stand together to protect our rights.

So- What can we do? How are we going to beat the system which is trying to keep milking us for taxes? How are we going to fight this?


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The biggest point of contention in e-liquid is nicotine, which is what the Government sees as a tobacco product...

 

[inclination]

While there are many great points in this conjecture, we are getting a bit off-point.

E juice is a food product. We should not get taxed the same rates which are applied to tobacco products.

We must stand together to protect our rights.

So- What can we do? How are we going to beat the system which is trying to keep milking us for taxes? How are we going to fight this?


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I was noticing that the thread was becoming derailed. Sorry about that.

It really depends on the legislation being written. E juice in itself could be the only thing taxed, so sellers could just ship out the flavor, the filler, and the nicotine out to the buyer as seperate commodities and the buyer then mixes it together for his e juice.

However if nicotine extract is taxed, you can stock and preserve but it's not a liable solution. If nicotine extract is used in ways that are not relevant to e liquid, one can argue that a sin tax on a commodity that's intended purpose is not for e liquid should not have sin tax.

Of course, if someone did legitimate research of the long term effects of vaping on the human lungs and body, that would for sure sway government opinion. And that means a lot of testing.

 

[BigEgo]

I was noticing that the thread was becoming derailed. Sorry about that.

It really depends on the legislation being written. E juice in itself could be the only thing taxed, so sellers could just ship out the flavor, the filler, and the nicotine out to the buyer as seperate commodities and the buyer then mixes it together for his e juice.

Which will make all but the most dedicated and advanced vapers stop. It will also discourage current smokers from trying vaping.

Good job, Uncle Sam.

 

[inclination]

Which will make all but the most dedicated and advanced vapers stop. It will also discourage current smokers from trying vaping.

Good job, Uncle Sam.

I suppose I should elaborate. Sell exact quantities of which a buyer should mix all together for his flavor. I'm sure beginning vapors know how to mix things together and shake them.

I hope to see your solutions posted soon.

 

[BigEgo]

I suppose I should elaborate. Sell exact quantities of which a buyer should mix all together for his flavor. I'm sure beginning vapors know how to mix things together and shake them.

I hope to see your solutions posted soon.

My solution would be to leave things the way they are. Why should I give a solution to something that's not a problem? My only point was that the government is going to get involved and screw up a good thing (like they always do).

I am not against sane regulations -- requiring eliquid manufacturers to follow various sanitation, safety and batch testing procedures. That is sane. Banning all flavors and taxing e-liquid 500% is not.

 

[inclination]

My solution would be to leave things the way they are. Why should I give a solution to something that's not a problem? My only point was that the government is going to get involved and screw up a good thing (like they always do).

I am not against sane regulations -- requiring eliquid manufacturers to follow various sanitation, safety and batch testing procedures. That is sane. Banning all flavors and taxing e-liquid 500% is not.

And this thread is to evade those taxes on e-liquid, is it not? I totally agree with you though. I have not read what legislation that the government is attempting to pass for e cigarettes. But if banning food flavoring is on their agenda, many large producers that use those products would not like that so it would not not happen. Unless of course, I am wrong in that flavoring in e cigarettes and in actual food are two seperate things.

 

[AndriaD]

How about the CDC?

CDC - Fact Sheet - Economic Facts About U.S. Tobacco Production and Use - Smoking & Tobacco Use

That's the first time I looked at the site Campaign For Tobacco-Free Kids for statistics, however I don't know why it would be badly placed on a site such as this. Judging from the name, you, us and them are all against the same thing. Tobacco.

However, the studies of non smokers costing more in the long run makes sense because of elongated lives. Just depends on how long you want to live, I guess.

To be honest, we won't really know anything about the positive and negative effects of vaping until decades from now. It took almost a century to figure out cigarettes increased your risk of death. The government wants to prevent this problem in future. Just don't be that person who regrets the decisions they made on a premature deathbed and blame the government for not stepping in, just like cigarettes.

I really don't think any of us are 'against tobacco' -- it's by far the best source of that wonder drug, nicotine. It's SMOKING tobacco that's so deadly (and stinky!).

People who blame the gov't for their own choices are irresponsible idiots.

Andria

 

[klynnn]

I just blame gov't when I can't make my own irresponsible choices. If we spend our lives never making a mistake or asking permission from our nanny we will be just what they want. Part of dumb and dumber and easily led like half of the population.