How 'unsafe' can an E-cig possibly be?

[Syl_Az]

Hi, I am new to this site. I just started vaping 2 weeks ago. I have been hearing that not enough studies have been done to determine the safety of e-cigs. Maybe I am naive, but can some one please tell me how much less safe can e'cigs possibly be than regular cigarettes?

 

[AttyPops]

How much less safe?? lol.

What's safer....a .45 bullet or a .22 bullet?

What are you trying to compare?

It's true that e-cigs are harm reduction. It may be that they are the equivalent to a "foam Nerf bullet". Or a rubber bullet.

Some studies indicate 1000x less harmful compounds.

Long term effects are unknown.

Define "e-cig". Besides that, define e-juice. There's 1,000+ different e-juice recipes. There's different techniques and devices (super-mini -----> quad coil SLR mechs)

So what are you really asking? All indications are that they are safer than cigs. The products of combustion are nasty.

There's tons of threads on this. A search will turn up a ton of information.

 

[potholerepairman]

this may sound flipish, but in today's world we have doctors saying that its a good idea to smoke "A" certain thing.I wonder why they or any other doctor says its a good idea to smoke anything other that "a"?
my best guess is its not a good idea to put a flame to any object and inhale that into your lungs.

ps:sorry for the rant, we still have pain clinics in Florida

 

[AttyPops]

this may sound flipish, but in today's world we have doctors saying that its a good idea to smoke "A" certain thing.I wonder why they or any other doctor says its a good idea to smoke anything other that "a"?
my best guess is its not a good idea to put a flame to any object and inhale that into your lungs.

ps:sorry for the rant, we still have pain clinics in Florida

Yeah, I'm totally amazed at all the "harmless substance" arguments we hear about certain things they are trying to legalize. Oh, it's "all natural" too. lol.

If they burn it...it's cancerous. Just as nasty as cigs, but a bit less addictive although more mind altering. There are very limited specialized medical reasons for using it but in most cases (as a % of population) it isn't necessary.

So it just floors me that there's such a movement to legalize that, and the ANTZ try to make e-cigs illegal.

 

[suspectK]

It's pretty impossible to find something that is less safe than cigarettes. I guess if you hook a tube up to an exhaust pipe of a diesel engine, that is probably less safe.

The only less safe thing for an e-cig compared to a cigarette is that if you don't have a vent hole on your battery cap. If the battery vents, it can very well explode in your hand and face. I've only seen one mechanical mod that didn't have a vent hole for the battery cap though.

Assuming that the wording of your question is a little off, VG&PG.. vegetable glycerin and propylene glycol are used in numerous pharmaceutical and/or food applications. Both of these compounds are used with inhalers of different sorts. I wouldn't say it is entirely healthy, but both can be beneficial to your lungs if you're not allergic to the compounds. I'm not going to get into a debate about flavors..those will range in effect based on their make-up.

I will tell you that you're more likely inhaling safer air vaping than you would driving down the road..definitely if you're on a congested highway.

Oxygen is poisonous when extremely concentrated and also causes cells to die, but we need it for APT production.

 

[keepsake]

Wait a minute... there's a push to make vape pens illegal?!?!
What in the world is this world coming to.

 

[Rymanjan]

The main problem I have with people who claim it's "completely unsafe" or even "just as bad as cigarettes" is that there are few to no empirical studies based off current vaping methods. Every time I see an "unsafe" rant, it's about marketing to kids (the kid card), nicotine (the unregulated and varying degrees within puffs) and old substances used (the DG debate). I've seen NO studies about inhaling a PG or VG without nicotine in it, and the kid card...well just browse the forums for .10 seconds and see what people have to say about the kid card.

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

I think it's wonderful when a noob such as the OP sees the ANTZ propaganda and immediately questions the logic based on his/her own intuitition.

It's like being told that playing in traffic is perfectly safe and saying to oneself, "wait, what?"

 

[EmeraldLeo1982]

Well it only took how many decades to make the "all natural" inhalants somewhat legal? Give ecigs time and people will come to accept them.

 

[DC2]

Hi, I am new to this site. I just started vaping 2 weeks ago. I have been hearing that not enough studies have been done to determine the safety of e-cigs. Maybe I am naive, but can some one please tell me how much less safe can e'cigs possibly be than regular cigarettes?

There is no simple answer to that question, but here is what I personally feel comfortable telling you...

Nobody has yet identified any specific and confirmed risk in using electronic cigarettes.
And this is despite the fact that there are a lot of rich and powerful people doing everything they can to find something bad about them.

 

[Sewage]

Yeah, I'm totally amazed at all the "harmless substance" arguments we hear about certain things they are trying to legalize. Oh, it's "all natural" too. lol.

If they burn it...it's cancerous. Just as nasty as cigs, but a bit less addictive although more mind altering. There are very limited specialized medical reasons for using it but in most cases (as a % of population) it isn't necessary.

So it just floors me that there's such a movement to legalize that, and the ANTZ try to make e-cigs illegal.

I love all the ranters that don't want to push legalization, it may not help you but it has proven to greatly help others in various study's. Just because you couldn't handle it's effects, and or blessed because you don't have a medical condition that effects your everyday life doesn't mean you have to rant on about the situation. By the way, it's not just used to smoke? It goes beyond that, so there is no need to even light it on fire anymore.. With HIGHLY addictive pharmaceutical chemically manufactured pills all over the planet makes me wonder why people complain so much about [other stuff]. If you don't like it and or need it, stay out of the way and keep taking your prescribed pills to 'calm down'

And to our OP, keep the questions rolling in and try not to mind all the 'tech geeks' that roam around all over this lovely site.

 

[Frankenmizer]

Hi, I am new to this site. I just started vaping 2 weeks ago. I have been hearing that not enough studies have been done to determine the safety of e-cigs. Maybe I am naive, but can some one please tell me how much less safe can e'cigs possibly be than regular cigarettes?

I know I can come off as annoying this subject, so I'll be careful as I can:

We all know traditional cigarettes are deadly. There is a ton of scientific and anecdotal evidence spanning 50+ years to prove it.

We don't have anywhere near the same evidence either way when it comes to vaping. The science simply isn't there yet. E-Cigarettes are a relatively new phenomena, so conclusive research is lagging, as it always does.

You pays your money and you takes your chances.

Wanting something to be safer doesn't mean it is. Learn all you can and make the most informed decision you can from that knowledge.

Just remember though, cigarettes were once thought to be healthy.

Edit: I should note I'm transitioning from analogs to vaping. I'm making the best decision I can knowing what I know now. I hope vaping turns out to be safe(r) than the path I was on before.

 

[AttyPops]

I love all the ranters that don't want to push legalization, it may not help you but it has proven to greatly help others in various study's. Just because you couldn't handle it's effects, and or blessed because you don't have a medical condition that effects your everyday life doesn't mean you have to rant on about the situation. By the way, it's not just used to smoke? It goes beyond that, so there is no need to even light it on fire anymore.. With HIGHLY addictive pharmaceutical chemically manufactured pills all over the planet makes me wonder why people complain so much about [other stuff]. If you don't like it and or need it, stay out of the way and keep taking your prescribed pills to 'calm down'

And to our OP, keep the questions rolling in and try not to mind all the 'tech geeks' that roam around all over this lovely site.

It was a reply to the poser above, not a rant. Nor was anything I said incorrect. It was the irony that there's a fight to legalize smoking another substance and yet there's fighting to outlaw e-cigs. Irony.

Your agenda is showing. I don't have an agenda and could care less about the m-stuff. But apparently your other problems include reading comprehension.

 

[rico942]

The mainstream media will tell you that "Studies have yet to disprove that e-cigarettes are not a more unsafe criminal public hazard than underage addictive tobacco smoking" ...

An old trick in journalism is to embed as many negative words as possible in an essentially null statement, which will leave the average reader with the impression that the subject is a "bad thing", without creating liability for the author ...

(insert "roll-the-eyes" smiley here)

 

[Sewage]

It was a reply to the poser above, not a rant. Nor was anything I said incorrect. It was the irony that there's a fight to legalize smoking another substance and yet there's fighting to outlaw e-cigs. Irony.

Your agenda is showing. I don't have an agenda and could care less about the m-stuff. But apparently your other problems include reading comprehension.

Couldn't come up with a 'sly' remark for that one huh? Nice way of changing the subject real fast though i give you that.
I said what I had to say and what I believe bro. I'm not going to sit here and argue with someone that can't get off the Internet for more than an hour, yet continues to rant claiming I can't read lol

 

[AttyPops]

Couldn't come up with a 'sly' remark for that one huh? Nice way of changing the subject real fast though i give you that.
I said what I had to say and what I believe bro. I'm not going to sit here and argue with someone that can't get off the Internet for more than an hour, yet continues to rant claiming I can't read lol

So basically, you have no reply because 1) I don't object to legalization of [other stuff], and 2) you were wrong because you can't read and 3) you think you can monitor my time and 4) it was a reply on topic, not changing the subject and 5) You have no valid reply.

Got it. Thank you for your contribution to ECF. It takes all kinds.

Back to the e-cig thing....

 

[Sewage]

So basically, you have no reply because 1) I don't object to legalization of MJ, and 2) you were wrong because you can't read and 3) you think you can monitor my time and 4) it was a reply on topic, not changing the subject and 5) You have no valid reply.

Got it. Thank you for your contribution to ECF. It takes all kinds.

Back to the e-cig thing....

That's what I thought buddy stay out of the line of fire when it comes to the other stuff, your still not ready to comprehend any logical argument when it comes down to it.

 

[potholerepairman]

Yeah, I'm totally amazed at all the "harmless substance" arguments we hear about certain things they are trying to legalize. Oh, it's "all natural" too. lol.

If they burn it...it's cancerous. Just as nasty as cigs, but a bit less addictive although more mind altering. There are very limited specialized medical reasons for using it but in most cases (as a % of population) it isn't necessary.

So it just floors me that there's such a movement to legalize that, and the ANTZ try to make e-cigs illegal.

Atty ,your efforts are beyond golden, to see people swayed by fake hope(smoking anything as good) is sad.At some point it hurts but the idiots are on there own

 

[potholerepairman]

Why hasn't a doctor said its aok to put any other drug besides (A) in a Pipe and smoke it good?,Follow the money not the hippy

 

[AttyPops]

It just amazes me that 1 in 5 people could be helped by e-cigs and the ANTZs object so much. As a % of the population, it's one of the biggest effects on heath since ....treated water.

As to the "other stuff"...it does help some people for some things. Never said it didn't or shouldn't. However, the movement to make it legal is very strong. Yet for a legal thing like e-cigs, the movement to make it illegal is also strong. Look at all the towns banning e-cigs. It makes no sense.

If you want to legalize one, how could you even object to the other?

The answer: there's big money behind it.