How 'unsafe' can an E-cig possibly be?

[jj2]

No one can say it's 100% safe but it's a lot safer than lighting and inhaling smoke. In my opinion.

Been vaping for over four years and I'm happy with the results. So is my doctor even though he won't give his stamp of approval and recommend it to other smokers.

 

[Sewage]

It just amazes me that 1 in 5 people could be helped by e-cigs and the ANTZs object so much. As a % of the population, it's one of the biggest effects on heath since ....treated water.

As to the "other stuff"...it does help some people for some things. Never said it didn't or shouldn't. However, the movement to make it legal is very strong. Yet for a legal thing like e-cigs, the movement to make it illegal is also strong. Look at all the towns banning e-cigs. It makes no sense.

If you want to legalize one, how could you even object to the other?

The answer: there's big money behind it.

Awesome, thank you!

 

[BigBen2k]

Ug, a mod's going to step in here shortly, and try to put us all back in line. Please, if you want to go off-topic, start another thread, in the proper forum.

The bottom line here (on topic) is that no one has died from using an e-cig, while tobacco has been known to kill lots and lots of people. Sure more research could be done, but that'll come, in time. Support CASAA to make a difference.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

You know, it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out that it's better to be hit by a small rock, than a big rock. Vaping IS LESS HARMFUL THAN SMOKING CIGARETTES. There, I said it. If you disagree, you prove it.

 

[potholerepairman]

It just amazes me that 1 in 5 people could be helped by e-cigs and the ANTZs object so much. As a % of the population, it's one of the biggest effects on heath since ....treated water.

As to the "other stuff"...it does help some people for some things. Never said it didn't or shouldn't. However, the movement to make it legal is very strong. Yet for a legal thing like e-cigs, the movement to make it illegal is also strong. Look at all the towns banning e-cigs. It makes no sense.

If you want to legalize one, how could you even object to the other?

The answer: there's big money behind it.

thanks Atty, Its a pain in the .... to tell people in 2013 that lighting fire and sucking the campfire is an issue, you have done it for way to long , for your gift may you have a keylime pie someday

 

[AttyPops]

thanks Atty, Its a pain in the .... to tell people in 2013 that lighting fire and sucking the campfire is an issue, you have done it for way to long , for your gift may you have a keylime pie someday

One of my favorite pies!

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

No one can say it's 100% safe but it's a lot safer than lighting and inhaling smoke. In my opinion.

Been vaping for over four years and I'm happy with the results. So is my doctor even though he won't give his stamp of approval and recommend it to other smokers.

A physician can't recommend e-cigs because there isn't enough clinical evidence to support them as a therapy for smoking cessation. It's all about the healthcare "standards of practice," which requires them to only recommend therapies that have undergone the rigorous research required to gain approval under FDCA. E-cigs are outside the standards and represent too much risk to the medical community.

Example: Smoker asks physician how he can quit smoking. Physician recommends e-cigs. Patient switches and dies from cancer anyway. Patient's estate sues for malpractice because the physician didn't stay within the standards of practice. The same goes for other professions, including engineers, attorneys and accountants.

What he can do is discuss various options, including e-cigs, and present as much information as he has about the uncertainties as well as potential benefits, in an effort to promote good decision-making on the part of the patient. However, you as the patient have to ask about it. He really can't volunteer it.

That's what my doctor did back in April. Paraphrasing, after I asked him about electronic cigarettes: "I can't specifically recommend them to you, but if you're serious about quitting, you should consider them as an option." He then went on a five minute explanation of what was known and what was still uncertain, and left the decision to me.

Sadly, a physician could prescribe Chantix or Zyban and have his patient give into the suicidal thoughts produced by those nasty medications' side effects, and off himself. Physician would be immune from a malpractice suit because those are clinically tried and FDA approved therapies for smoking cessation.

Sucks, doesn't it?

 

[tj99959]

How 'unsafe' can an E-cig possibly be?

Trust me on this ...... you can make an e-cig as "unsafe' as you would like to. But, that doesn't mean that you need to.
There have been lots of "short term" studies now, just look around and you will find them. CASAA is a good place to start.

Long term studies, well they seem to take long term. So we will just have to wait for the results.

 

[jabberbox]

I think everyone just has to make a personal decision for themselves. I see it as a way better alternative to analogs.

 

[HauntedMyst]

You'd have to ignorant to not believe vaping isn't a real and present danger. My friend Chuck quit his job to open up a vapor store where he could sell his own home made premium vapor juice. He sunk his life savings into the store, equipment, chemicals, etc. The day before the store was supposed to open, a 55 gallon drum of VG fell off his work bench and killed him while he was looking for his lost contact. Vaping kills.

 

[Talyon]

Ecigs are NOT to be used for enemas. That would possibly make them unsafe. All else is better though. Lol

 

[BigBen2k]

We could just wait for the FDA to conduct long term st... (I tried really hard)

We're on the cutting edge here, but they've been around for 6 years, with millions of users, worldwide.

 

[DasBluCig]

Hmmmmm...
No one's responded to Bill's post....
Perhaps....because they CAN'T????!
IMHO....he summed this whole thread up beautifully!!!
Right now....I'm enjoying my ADV and loving it....and I STRONGLY suspect I'll be doing so for a LOT longer than I'd have been puffing analogs!!
Just my ....In the meantime...
Happy (vaping) Trails!

 

[wutarush]

It just amazes me that 1 in 5 people could be helped by e-cigs and the ANTZs object so much. As a % of the population, it's one of the biggest effects on heath since ....treated water.

As to the "other stuff"...it does help some people for some things. Never said it didn't or shouldn't. However, the movement to make it legal is very strong. Yet for a legal thing like e-cigs, the movement to make it illegal is also strong. Look at all the towns banning e-cigs. It makes no sense.

If you want to legalize one, how could you even object to the other?

The answer: there's big money behind it.

Never occurred to you that the people that want to ban ecigs and legalize the other may not be the same people? Not trying to be an ... but that simple fact takes a lot of the mystery out of your disbelief. Anything the FDA is looking into regulation for is something higher ups can either profit from or lose profit from. Vaping hurts sales of toxic cigs and mj hurts sales of bs toxic prescriptions.

The whole idea that federal agencys are put in place to force us to make "healthy" decisions in a "free country" is ridiculous to begin with. Maybe if they actually did the job correctly it wouldnt seem that way.

 

[mytsmooth]

How unsafe can an ecig possibly be, is a question I have been researching since I bought a knock-off ego kit 3 weeks ago. I had smoked clove cigarettes, and most recently clove cigars regularly (a pack a day) for 15 years. I was driving home from my moms funeral and stopped at the smokers specialty shop, the only place one can purchase the clove cigars, and my daughter got really upset and reminded my why mother died one week before her 60th birthday. This was the last week of July, so I am very new to this whole subculture. I have not had a cigarette or cigar since that day, and have tried many flavors. But my efforts to find out the harmful effects of the liquid are ending in frustration.
I understand the limited data, but recall a reference to PG being used in fog machines. Didn't somebody die from that during a concert recently? During my research I came across Inhalant Abuse Prevention -, so yeah inhaling seemingly harmless things can be pretty dangerous, but PG and VG are not listed in any of the inhalant types, so it is not currently labeled a dangerous inhalant. We all know about glue and paint thinner, and how bad inhaling those can be. I am not saying the PG and VG are hazardous, frankly I don't know, but research must be done.
I am new to the community, and the current information we have shows that vaping is safer than smoking. Regardless of what we all want to believe, the science is the same, heat-> combustion-> vapor/gas/smoke. the by product of the chemicals we are burning is what is in question. Tires are completely innocuous, not that I would ever eat one but..., when you burn them they are highly toxic. Vaporizing is just a fancy term for smoking a liquid instead if a solid. If a liquid was made from all of the nasty chemicals in a cigarette, it would likely taste horrible in a vaporizer, but I certainly would try it. Yeah, lets add a little cat piss to this batch of orange dreamcicle.

 

[retired1]

Folks, there's been some mighty fine dancing around a forbidden topic in this thread with a toe or two itching to cross that forbidden line. As a reminder, absolutely no drug talk or references on ECF. Thank you.

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

I am new to the community, and the current information we have shows that vaping is safer than smoking. Regardless of what we all want to believe, the science is the same, heat-> combustion-> vapor/gas/smoke. the by product of the chemicals we are burning is what is in question. Tires are completely innocuous, not that I would ever eat one but..., when you burn them they are highly toxic. Vaporizing is just a fancy term for smoking a liquid instead if a solid. If a liquid was made from all of the nasty chemicals in a cigarette, it would likely taste horrible in a vaporizer, but I certainly would try it. Yeah, lets add a little cat piss to this batch of orange dreamcicle.

Totally untrue. Converting a liquid to an aerosol through atomization is not even close to the chemical reaction caused by combustion. Combustion is a rapid oxidation process that completely changes the chemical compositions of the materials involved in the reaction.

Combustion is an inefficient process that involves fire and the production of smoke, a solid colloid.

Vaporizing e-liquid also produces a colloid, but it is a liquid one and does not require combustion for its production.

Smog is another solid colloid. Milk is another liquid colloid. To confuse one with the other is to say that smoke, milk, smog and vapor are all the same because they're all colloids. That is a logical fallacy.

PG and VG have been commercially available for many decades and have many commercial, industrial, medicinal and personal uses. There have been exactly ZERO studies indicating that, other than intentional overdosing, they are harmful for anyday use. You have ingested, inhaled and rubbed more of that stuff on your skin than you will ever encounter while enjoying your PV.

Don't succumb to the FUD. The air is fine, the water is fine, the food (even [gasp] inorganically grown food) is fine, and your vapor is fine.

Smoking is dangerous. Don't do it. Vaping is not yet shown to be dangerous, despite numerous and desperate attempt to demonstrate the oppposite. Do it until it's proven otherwise, and enjoy the health benefits.

 

[Sewage]

Never occurred to you that the people that want to ban ecigs and legalize the other may not be the same people? Not trying to be an ... but that simple fact takes a lot of the mystery out of your disbelief. Anything the FDA is looking into regulation for is something higher ups can either profit from or lose profit from. Vaping hurts sales of toxic cigs and mj hurts sales of bs toxic prescriptions.

The whole idea that federal agencys are put in place to force us to make "healthy" decisions in a "free country" is ridiculous to begin with. Maybe if they actually did the job correctly it wouldnt seem that way.

Amen my brother!!

 

[Uncle Ralphie]

I read somewhere that No One has died from E-cigs, ever. There have been millions of deaths associated with Cigarettes. As of 2009, there have been 68 cases of suicide associated with Chantix.
The success rate for successfully quitting tobacco.......Patch = 7% Gum about the same E Cigs, 69 % nuff said

 

[rico942]

Some years ago, a good friend of mine engineered a number of pepper ball guns, the non-lethal weapon favored by law enforcement for disabling a potential assailant without firing their sidearms ...

But in 2004, in a tragic freak accident in Boston, a girl was killed when accidently shot in the eye with a pepper projectile ...

Is the pepper ball device still a non-lethal weapon ?

Sooner or later, someone somewhere will be injured or killed in an incident involving the use of an e-cig, most lilely a battery rupture. After that, the business interests that are threatened by vaping will loudly declare e-cigs as dangerous or deadly, and repeatedly cite that incident, until it becomes a battle cry for banishment ...

If it IS a battery-related accident that triggers a backlash, I would be inclined to point out that there have been numerous misfortunes with laptop batteries over the years, and yet portable computers have not been percieved as a public hazard ...