How Vaping will be Effectively Banned Nationwide

[spacenoodle]

i'm just gonna buy a huge bottle of synthetic nic if this happens and make my own juice

 

[sonicdsl]

Where does one get synthetic nic??

 

[billiam]

I finely found stated what I have thought all along. Go to the bottom of this article and read "Why don't we eat tobacco?".From Tobacco to Tabasco And this is an anti nightshade website.

This is why they can never associate vaping within tobacco regulations. There's too many other sources to derive nicotine from. Still, this probably wont stop them from trumping up another way to regulate nicotine. For now though, I believe there are a string of lawyers just begging them to try it.

I feel better now, but it probably wont last long.

 

[CabinetGuyScott]

8-o 8-o



And so it is...

And quickly followed up by: and

Enough Already!!

 

[billiam]

Sorry didn't read the quote.

 

[klynnn]

I would expect nothing less from the current gov. Since when did facts matter in this county.

 

[JaxMike]

Bump.

I've written my reps in congress and gotten nothing but canned responses. I sure wish there was some way to know we are really getting the message heard.

Make an appointment to visit your congressman when he/she is in the district (geez, they only work in DC about 2 1/2 days a week). That's how you get to your congressman.

(and I'm not suggesting that your congressman is a he/she )

 

[Caffeine7]

Make an appointment to visit your congressman when he/she is in the district (geez, they only work in DC about 2 1/2 days a week). That's how you get to your congressman.

(and I'm not suggesting that your congressman is a he/she )

Congress isn't he/she. Sponges have no gender

 

[jwag1973]

You all make some good points...but they want money! When it comes to getting that part of their job done...they're outstanding!

I'm for no regulations or association with cigs/tobacco.

 

[wedoitall]

As I understand the "equivalency" and "deeming regulations", it has nothing to do (from a vaping standpoint) with analogs. It means that any device or means to vape that is different or new or exceeds what was available pre-2007, will be outlawed. So it could be interpreted to mean that the only vaping options that will be legally available will be small cig-a-likes (90 mAh batteries) with the eliquid in sealed carts. Think about that being the only option available when you need a new kit or some e-liquid.

Good to see a fellow West Virginian here and to share to same views(not surprised ). We need not give an inch as they will take a mile and run .


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[Ryedan]

Bump. ...................

 

[DC2]

If I'm understanding the concept of equivalency correctly, it seems that the states are already shooting that in the foot by treating them the same way as they treat tobacco. Governments are already saying that e-cigs are so sufficiently equivalent to cigarettes that they equate the vapor to smoke and the nicotine to tobacco.

Maybe that will be the saving argument against "non-equivalency." WE are not the one saying they're the same... the government itself is, in most places.

If I have mis-grokked what we mean by equivalency I would happily have it explained to me better

I am pretty sure that the following thread will explain what this is all about...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ing-why-deeming-reg-would-ban-all-e-cigs.html

 

[wv2win]

Has everyone joined CASAA and provided support, yet? If not what are you waiting for?

 

[tj99959]

Has everyone joined CASAA and provided support, yet? If not what are you waiting for?

Also join in on the CASAA FB page so that you can keep up with what's going on around the country.

Right now it looks like the FDA is cooling their heels saying "hell, lets just let the states do it for us".

 

[CabinetGuyScott]

Also join in on the CASAA FB page so that you can keep up with what's going on around the country.

Right now it looks like the FDA is cooling their heels saying "hell, lets just let the states do it for us".

I would love for that to be the case!!

A couple of thoughts...

• It is much easier to be 'heard' and bring influence at the state level - exactly the idea of the Founder's had in mind.
• Buys time! ... to achieve critical mass / tipping point - these are 2 phrases to describe the point where there are so many vapers, vape supporters, vape advocates, and most importantly: a larger portion of the population who become not only vape aware, but appreciate the overwhelming positive aspect of vaping versus smoking.
  
  It's not just the 20% of the population that smokes (and thereby prime candidates to be supportive), but + each of those individual 'sphere-of-influence', + those that we can touch with the facts & testimonials of our new lives.

Every day of delay allows the vaping community to continue the war against those ________ who would happily relegate back to Smoker's Hell.

Here's hoping tj is right!

 

[Vermonster13]

With the fall of Europe today, we can expect some heavy ramping up by the antz and nannies now.

 

[zahzoo]

In fact I'm reading this article about why bidis were banned, and this seems relevant:



They 're going to have a hard time showing that e-cigarettes cause additional health harms compared to cigarettes (or their approved cessation drug, Chantix, for that matter).

Again maybe I'm not seeing all the angles but I am not allowing my undergarments to deviate from their smooth and correctly-fitting configuration at this time.

You are somewhat seeing the angle... just your perspective is facing the wrong way.

The FDA doesn't have to show anything about how harmful or not harmful e-cigarettes are. The way the deeming regulations are written... the FDA will just ban sales and seize all e-cigarette products in the market.

Then in order to sell any of these products the manufacturer/distributers will have to demonstrate their product has "Substantial Equivalence" to a similar product available for sale in the US prior to February 15, 2007.

The major hurdle we're facing is... none of the current popular equipment and juice on the market today have Substantial Equivalence for anything available back in 2007... because none of this existed back then.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out for reusable/refillable/rechargeable hardware as much of it has applicable use beyond nicotine vaping. But it will require re-branding and removal of all references e-cigarettes, health applications, nicotine, etc...

The big game breaker will be juice packaged outside of prefilled cartridges... IMO.

 

[BlkWolfMidnight]

Even if it does go to sales of pre 2007 levels I know several folks within walking distance of me that make their own E-Liquids. I see in this instance Vape easy's opening up and underground rings starting to form to trade necessary mods, batteries and various devices.
Flash light sales would increase 100 fold all of a sudden..
Truth-They can't ban PG (can regulate it but not ban it)
They can't ban VG (can regulate it, but not ban it)
Flavorings are used the world wide and consumer purposes.
Nicotine is a pesticide that farmers use very often, or you can steep your own.

The mountain they have to climb is fairly large, and nothing thus far has taken root claim wise as everything has been shot down. We just got to hold on until some rock solid studies are done and tracking completed. Numbers talk and opinions walk when it comes to court.

 

[Vermonster13]

An underground is great for those already vaping, it's the future smokers who may have quit using vaping that will suffer.

 

[Rickb119]

[QUOTE(still cannot fathom that people do not know about the 100's of 'successful suicides' due to chantix!)[/QUOTE]

They don't know because the morass media "chooses" to not tell them. Just like they "choose" to not let people know that the vast majority of mass killings were done by people taking legal, doctor prescribed "medication". Gotta get that ad revenue from BP after all.