How will FDA regs effect new mod products

[ENAUD]

Eliminating 99+% of the products on the market seems to be the actual goal of the regulations. It's not a ban, it's just impossible to comply with. That's why the FDA can honestly say that they have considered the unintended consequences of the deeming. There aren't any unintended consequences, unless you consider the black market that is...

 

[WharfRat1976]

Thats exactly why i called it a scam.

Another reason i called it a scam is the FDA demanding a PMTA for each and every level of nicotine

0 mg, 3 mg, 6 mg, 12 mg, 18 mg, 24 mg, 30, and 36 mg.

Meaning it could cost $8 million+ just to get 1 juice aporoved.

It becomes obvious they have NO intention of approving anything. To me it is obvious they want to destroy vaping.

No. They are just handing it over to Big Tobacco. Nobody is out to "destroy vaping". There is too much money in it.

 

[WharfRat1976]

That is correct unless....

1. HR2058 is passed.
2. The Cole Bishop ammendment passes
3. One of the court Cases slaps down this overeach.
4. All vapers unite and deluge all 535 members of congress (100 Senators 435 representatives), and the president.

Tomorrow is D DAY.

Another D Day? Hiroshima has occurred but lest keep storming them beaches!

 

[Vandal]

I don't understand how a government agency can enact a law which itself does not know what it would take to be in compliance with. How is that even legal?

 

[Eskie]

I don't understand how a government agency can enact a law which itself does not know what it would take to be in compliance with. How is that even legal?

Not the first time, and likely far from the last time. Government is really good at this. They pay extra just to be sure their employees are all skilled at providing vague and ambiguous information so you can violate some arcane rule and get fined. It's another revenue stream.

 

[J.d. Roberts]

Testing and approval are 2 different things. FDA may test a handful, a selected few, or maybe even all newly released products, but all new products that will come out after tomorrow Aug 8th, will need to be approved to be released into the market. I'm not sure on how they will justify which ones they will choose to test or how they will approve products but I bet manufacturers will send out better products than they currently send reviewer samples to YouTubers. The influx of products/juices coming out at this time before the deadline is tremendous, def going to slow down tomorrow, no doubt.

 

[Str8vision]

No. They are just handing it over to Big Tobacco. Nobody is out to "destroy vaping". There is too much money in it.

So what you're saying is;

 

[Robino1]

Testing and approval are 2 different things. FDA may test a handful, a selected few, or maybe even all newly released products, but all new products that will come out after tomorrow Aug 8th, will need to be approved to be released into the market. I'm not sure on how they will justify which ones they will choose to test or how they will approve products but I bet manufacturers will send out better products than they currently send reviewer samples to YouTubers. The influx of products/juices coming out at this time before the deadline is tremendous, def going to slow down tomorrow, no doubt.

But see there's the kicker, the manufacturers are the ones required to do the testing and Pay for it themselves, then submit the tests for approval, of which the FDA by it's own admission, can either say pass or no pass. Depending on how they feel about the product. There Are No Guidelines as to what constitute a Passing grade.

 

[supertrunker]

The interesting thing about getting fined is that you have to lose a court case. All of us would have to lose one.
One at a time.

There are a lot of vapers now and the critical mass was reached some years ago, such that plenty of ex-smokers are not much bothered by what the government does, because it's based on nonsense and lies.

Trunker - you owe us $50 for vaping an unapproved device in full public view, and worse than that - all the smokers could see that smirk on your face as they choked down their tar-laden product.



Sue me.

T

 

[J.d. Roberts]

Thats exactly why i called it a scam.

Another reason i called it a scam is the FDA demanding a PMTA for each and every level of nicotine

0 mg, 3 mg, 6 mg, 12 mg, 18 mg, 24 mg, 30, and 36 mg.

Meaning it could cost $8 million+ just to get 1 Juice aporoved.

It becomes obvious they have NO intention of approving anything. To me it is obvious they want to destroy vaping.

"it could", but we'll just have to wait and see, or it might not even cost a dime, just the initial fees per product(s), who knows. Unfortunately, the first group of juice companies in line that the FDA chooses for approval will be the guinea pigs. I'm sure there are companies waiting before submitting their products to see how tough or lenient they'll be on the first group that goes through this process. It was somewhat helpful to get the regulations to see what to expect, they should've sent it (regulations) out sooner way sooner so it would have given ample time for all juice companies to comply with early. I'm not a politician or senator but I was in the military and very familiar with standard government timeline processes. Military workforce is huge, the FDA is not even close to the amount of workers, I just have a bad feeling about how long this will take. Any paperwork processed through the government takes time, way too much time.

 

[bigdancehawk]

That is correct unless....

1. HR2058 is passed.
2. The Cole Bishop ammendment passes
3. One of the court Cases slaps down this overeach.
4. All vapers unite and deluge all 535 members of congress (100 Senators 435 representatives), and the president.

Tomorrow is D DAY.

The pending legislation will do nothing to allow the introduction of new products. It would only allow existing products to stay on the market without seeking FDA approval.

 

[supertrunker]

If they existed before 2007?

T

 

[Robino1]

If they existed before 2007?

T

If HR2058 or the Cole/Bishop pass, then the things that are on the market as of (whatever the date is of this year) get to stay on the market.

The same will apply though, no new products after the date of deeming (8-8-16) but (and it is huge) we would be able to still purchase from our vendors the products that were available before the new grandfather date.

Vendors would be able to stay in business. We would still get products without having to go the black market route. It would make things easier to get approval because there WOULD be devices that predate the deeming.

In other words, life would get less scary.

 

[bigdancehawk]

If they existed before 2007?

T

Unless the legislation passes or the courts declare the deeming contrary to law, only products on the market in Feb. of 2007 can escape the approval process. I doubt any current products qualify. The legislation would allow all products now on the market to remain and continue to be sold without ever seeking or obtaining FDA approval. However, any products not already being marketed would still first have to obtain approval before being sold.

 

[supertrunker]

Those are contradictory statements.

The legislation would allow all products now on the market to remain and continue to be sold without ever seeking or obtaining FDA approval.

You sure?

T

 

[bigdancehawk]

Those are contradictory statements.



You sure?

T

I'm not following you. How is it self-contradictory?

 

[subwayaznm]

In the next 24 - 48 hours we'll know for sure how.

 

[Robino1]

If legislation passes (HR2058 OR Cole/Bishop) then our products could stay without having to go through the process.

If we don't get relief, then as it stands now, ALL products need to get approval.

Unless the legislation passes or the courts declare the deeming contrary to law, only products on the market in Feb. of 2007 can escape the approval process. I doubt any current products qualify. The legislation would allow all products now on the market to remain and continue to be sold without ever seeking or obtaining FDA approval. However, any products not already being marketed would still first have to obtain approval before being sold.

Those are contradictory statements.



You sure?

T

 

[supertrunker]

only products on the market in Feb. of 2007 can escape the approval process.

all products now on the market to remain and continue to be sold without ever seeking or obtaining FDA approval.

T

 

[Eskie]

Those are contradictory statements.

You sure?
T

The issue is a grandfather clause, which is pretty much why cigarettes are still available. Current guidelines would allow products on the market prior to 8/7/2007 to continue to be marketed without explicit FDA approval. Unfortunately, there were virtually no vaping products on the market as of that date. Under revised legislation, if the deeming date for grandfathering in a product is changed to 8/82016, all products currently sold could remain on the market indefinably without express FDA approval.