How will the e-cig developing in near future
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It they are the only game in town due to severe restrictions on nicotine, what do they have to worry about? There would be only three options, of which two of them are a "win" for BT: use their ineffective carts, go back to smoking or become a criminal and try to obtain eliquid illegally.
no veteran vaper will ever go back to cigalikes, and such. it is why most of us already own mechanical PV's, and VV mods. the Gov't will not be sending troops to take away our PV's, or instituting background checks for new vapers. (where have i heard this tripe before?) we can literally buy ready made juice upwards of 30 gallons at a time as of right now. USA Made Vapor Renu : Electronic Cigarettes Refill Cartridges : Candy Flavorings : E Cig Liquid Nicotine : Cartomizer Refills : Menthol E-Liquid : Flavoring Oils : E Cigarette Refills . we still have the courts to fight for our rights to vaping supplies. and an army (literally) to join class action litigation. the same goes with the existing merchants out there. the FDA and two states have already lost in court over people trying to deny our rights to vaping. we may have some minor adjustments to keep vaping after the FDA chimes in. but as long as we stay organized, and invested in this, we should all be fine.
My local Shell service station that only a month ago started stocking Blu and a couple of other brands of cigalikes, were excited to show me their new "starter kit" display the other day... these are simply rebranded ego bubble packs. Most include one battery (around 650 mah), a USB charger and a single clearomizer. They also had more complete charger kits, spare clearos, juice in several flavors and believe it or not even replacement heads for the clearos! The prices were ridiculously expensive but since I live in a "tourist" town and the nearest B&M is an hour drive, round trip, and the Shell convenience store is open long hours, every day of the year, they are selling...
As I said earlier *I believe* that most if not all nicotine used in e-juice already comes from tobacco (someone please correct me if I'm wrong here). As the e-cig market grows so do juice sales which means more tobacco getting processed into nic base instead of cigarettes. As long as the prices remain more or less stable I don't expect many changes.
BT isn't interested in hardware. They never made a market plunge into pipes, hookas, carrying cases or even cigarette lighters. Their old business model simply isn't targeted at hardware at all and why would they change that? The overhead is already a big investment with R&D, manufacturing, QC, logistics and processing faulty units that are returned... and the profit margins in hardware really only exist because manufacturing of what most of use today is done in China. BT's market strategy has always been about extremely cheap (per unit), disposables... the cigarette butts that used to fill our ashtrays. Could I imagine a time when you might see a big tobacco corporation branding it's own juice line? Sure, that would make sense, and maybe even some cigalikes or pre-filled 510 carts. But to have a market, a real market, the prices have to remain competitive if not cheaper.
They can't regulate the hardware beyond devices that already come with nicotine self-contained. Watch for nicotine liquid, whether it's in a base or already flavored juice, to get pushed for taxation and regulation. Hardware? I doubt it.
As far as juice goes in all likely hood all u well be able to obtain is .04 not the little variety we do now. Well it be in bottles? Who knows.... More then likely we well have to crack open the disposable from corner gas station, and then squeeze the living daylights out of it to them fill our beautiful lovely tank systems..... But looks like we may have up to another year to find out.
Who knows maybe we well be surprised, and be able to buy Borg type suits that feeds us nicotine on a genetic level???
Please Join CASAA!
Who knows maybe we well be surprised, and be able to buy Borg type suits that feeds us nicotine on a genetic level???
Please Join CASAA!
Isn't this thread about future hardware changes? ....not BT, or FDA, or CASAA, or bans, or......
CASAA is admirable BTW...not dissing it...but
per post #1 (besides, it's been said 20 times already).
Besides, BT is likely to become a major "nic base" manufacturer.
How about....ultrasonic vaporizers? Still have to clean them, but hey don't wear out nearly as fast.
CASAA is admirable BTW...not dissing it...but
per post #1 (besides, it's been said 20 times already).Besides, BT is likely to become a major "nic base" manufacturer.
How about....ultrasonic vaporizers? Still have to clean them, but hey don't wear out nearly as fast.
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I remember reading elsewhere something that gave me the impression that most, if not all nicotine was already derived from tobacco leaves. Do you have any insight on this AttyPops?
Of course it is.
And a lot of the tobacco growing is locked up by BT. The nic extract tends to come either from overseas or from "scrap" tobacco.
Synthetic nic is too expensive to produce as I understand it.
That's my limited understanding of it all. Take with several grains of salt...I'm not 100% on any of that.
And a lot of the tobacco growing is locked up by BT. The nic extract tends to come either from overseas or from "scrap" tobacco.
Synthetic nic is too expensive to produce as I understand it.
That's my limited understanding of it all. Take with several grains of salt...I'm not 100% on any of that.
BT is responsible indirectly for a billion deaths worldwide. giving our business to these entity's after finding this miracle, would be ludicrous. and i would be suspicious of buying juice from an institution, that spent billions on making more analogs addictive. disposables may provide a starting point for smoking cessation, and emergency purchases in times of need.face it though, after 41 years of smoking analogs, i think it qualifies me, and the rest of us as the ultimate dope fiends. before mods say no talk like this, wouldn't the deaths of entire family's due to tobacco use qualify the lot of us as the biggest dopes that ever walked the earth? being the worlds biggest dope fiends, it stands to reason the disposables as much as they help, will not provide the punch needed to make the switch. while BT may make a few bucks in the beginning, the better hardware will always win out in the upcoming vaping war. stop worrying about stuff we can't control. keep focused on not smoking. the rest will work itself out.
Nicotine contents in cigarettes go as high as 1.79 mg (using American Spirit Brown Label non-filtered) as a reference, so why do you believe .04 will be the standard? Also, since e-cigarette nicotine delivery is different from the combustion process, there can be no one on one absorption comparison.
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Nah, I'm not worried in the slightest!
We are *already* buying nicotine juice that is more and more being made from American grown tobacco... BT.
The common plea I keep seeing here is "join CASAA". I would love to, and have tried. But in 2013, the folks at CASAA seem to be severely lacking in website development.
I think the first order of volunteerism would be for some ECF member that's a crack web developer to create a multi-platform method of joining the organization! If I could, I would do it myself!
I think the first order of volunteerism would be for some ECF member that's a crack web developer to create a multi-platform method of joining the organization! If I could, I would do it myself!
Some examples:
Reviews of the Best American Made e-Liquid
If/when regulation of any kind comes I fully expect it will shove the Chinese e-juice right out of the market. Already a lot of premium e-juice is made in the states, presumably from American tobacco. It's not too big a leap of imagination to think of a day where all of it is.
Reviews of the Best American Made e-Liquid
If/when regulation of any kind comes I fully expect it will shove the Chinese e-juice right out of the market. Already a lot of premium e-juice is made in the states, presumably from American tobacco. It's not too big a leap of imagination to think of a day where all of it is.
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Thank you for sharing. I will notify a board member of your difficulty. Although in other threads I have read of many new people being able to sign up. It might help if you were more specific as to the problem.
chatting on ECF helps a lot. it is so important to start having these conversations now, before they end up in court. this is where it is going to end up people. as membership grows, and more people are educated about these issues. that leads to common sense legislation, not leaving the fight overreaching right wing whackos . the worst nightmare in the anti tobacco lobby is an informed, invested group of people. everyone needs to take those medical surveys. inform nonsmokers, smokers, family, friends, strangers, co workers, legislators, and anyone else we can totally piss off about these issues. yes spread the gospel. millions of lives depend on it. including our own. these forums provide the base of operations for all of this to happen. so keep talking, taking surveys, sign up for medical studies. and hey. i saw you looking at that cig
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From the homepage, click get involved tab at top of page, click on become a member, next page enter your email address. make sure no ad blocking software is active, and check your spam folder. or http://casaa.org/Become_a_Member.html after that you should be able to update your profile after email from casaa
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All i feel is that its here to stay and the variety will be there for the different vaping styles. Kind of like cars. So many different types. Its just so wrong to allow analogs and then turn around and ban e cigs its incomprehensible and will have to change where they do that already. In due time
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