Huffington Post- Story on E-Cigs

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Utter garbage.

Dr. Seidman is author of "Smoke-Free in 30 Days: The Pain-Free, Permanent Way to Quit" with a foreward by Dr. Mehmet Oz (Fireside Trade Paperback Original, January 2010). An audio book is available from Random House. Dr. Seidman first introduced his own program to stop smoking as a featured expert on "The Oprah Winfrey Show" with Dr. Oz early in 2008, after 20 years of helping smokers at Columbia University. For more details about the book go to Daniel F. Seidman, Ph.D.: Smoke-Free in 30 Days

I'm shocked that Dr. Seidman would criticize a product that is not a part of the program that he profits off of. Just shocked.

His office number is 212-851-5598 and e-mail is dfs2@columbia.edu. His answering machine mentions a second number that might be his home or cell. I'm going to try that number if I don't hear from him in a few hours. I encourage all informed people to contact Dr. Seidman.
 
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Reads like a Pharma ad for NRT to me......

It is so safe that using NRT for two weeks before stopping smoking has recently been shown to double the chances of success at quitting with NRT, with no additional safety issues (4). This treatment has now been named Pre-Quit Treatment with Nicotine Patch (PQNP), and has already been approved in Australia and the U.K.

Wow,they allow you to stick a patch on 2 weeks before you quit......how nice of them. They're also want to allow continued use of NRT,(here in the UK),you stop when you want cause its better than smoking.No 12 week plan. Now when all these 3 letter anti's move to anti-nicotine instead of just anti-smoke i want to see them backtrack when Big Pharma decides they want to do this in the USA too.
 

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My head is spinning. When you reduce the number of tobacco cigarettes you smoke by using an e-cigarette part of the time, it's a no-no.

For example, clinically, many people I have seen use the e-cigarette and then switch back and forth with their regular brands. They are using e-cigs to control, not quit, smoking.

*Tsk Tsk*

But when you add a government-approved NRT product to your smoking (theoretically, before you quit altogether), it's a good, government-approved thing to do.

It is so safe that using NRT for two weeks before stopping smoking has recently been shown to double the chances of success at quitting with NRT, with no additional safety issues (4). This treatment has now been named Pre-Quit Treatment with Nicotine Patch (PQNP), and has already been approved in Australia and the U.K.

I have a news flash for this genius. I cut down to 1/2 a pack of tobacco smoking by chewing 5 pieces of nicotine gum a day. I did this for years before the e-cigarette came along, allowing me to eliminate those last 10 "cancer sticks." I would be willing to bet that I am not the one and only smoker in this country who has used government-approved NRT to control my smoking for a long time, and then stopped smoking.

I have another news flash for him. Reducing the number of cigarettes smoked is recognized as an effective way to eventually stop smoking altogether. Smoking reduction with oral nicotine inhalers: double blind, randomised clinical trial of efficacy and safety -- Bolliger et al. 321 (7257): 329 -- bmj.com

Conclusion: Nicotine inhalers effectively and safely achieved sustained reduction in smoking over 24 months. Reduction with or without nicotine substitution may be a feasible first step towards smoking cessation in people not able or not willing to stop abruptly.
 

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That article might be the best place to post comments but really, who wants to have an account THERE?! ;)

Huffington Post isn't the worst source out there for reports about other news organizations' stories, but their Health section is an abomination. The American Council on Science and Health just sent out an e-mail yesterday about how a Huffington Post author was still spreading the utter BS about autism being possibly caused by vaccines.
 

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OK, it is possible to comment.

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Reducing the number of cigarettes smoked is recognized as an effective way to eventually stop smoking altogether: Smoking reduction with oral nicotine inhalers: double blind, randomised clinical trial of efficacy and safety -- Bolliger et al. 321 (7257): 329 -- bmj.com

"Conclusion: Nicotine inhalers effectivel.y and safely achieved sustained reduction in smoking over 24 months. Reduction with or without nicotine substituti.on may be a feasible first step towards smoking cessation in people not able or not willing to stop abruptly."

Perhaps some subjects in this study would have stopped smoking altogether had the nicotine dose and flavor been under user-contol, as they are with e-cigarettes. A CASAA consumer survey showed that 89.6% of users are older than 25, 50% use high dose nicotine, 80.3% have tried fruit or candy flavors, and 70.1% use them occasionally or more often.

Flavored nicotine gum and lozenges allowed me to cut the number of cigarettes I smoked in half, but not to stop. When I added using an e-cigarette to the NRT, I finally stopped inhaling smoke! I have been smoke-free almost two years now thanks to this invention. When I switched from "tobacco" to fruit flavors, I lost all taste for smoke. Within a few weeks of going electronic, the wheezing disappeared, along with the productive morning cough. The best part? No 30-pound weight gain like I experienced when I became nicotine-abstinent (under medical care) for six miserable, excruciating months 20 years back.

Strange. When I pasted in the above, there were periods inserted randomly among the text--even within words. I think I erased them all.
 
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That article might be the best place to post comments but really, who wants to have an account THERE?! ;)

i have an acct. there. you can read my comments under the name tyler-durden. you should recognize my ugly mug in the avatar image. i use that site when i want to vent on ignorance that infests current events opining that has replaced actual journalism.

the site isn't terrible. they do have an excessive amount of entertainment industry drama, and their news articles are framed to incite unrest among those that still identify themselves as "politically left", but it's one of the few sites where we can get information that's not disgustingly skewed to support the "right wing" agenda of corporate control of our govt.

regardless, it IS a popular website, and if there's an article about e-cigs, then that's our chance to get in there and add comments which people outside of ECF won't get to hear.


if every one of us commented to that thread today, starting our comment with "I'M AN E-CIG USER, AND I CAN TELL YOU ____", we may make a collective impact on some people.

the only way the public has power is EN MASSE. one comment, two comments, can be refuted. dozens of comments by actual users, not speculators, is a strong message that non-users need to hear.

it's one battle to get smokers to support vaping. it's another to get non-smokers to support vaping. they both must be fought hard and won.

i'm about to go read the article and make some comments. heheheh
 

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Huffington Post isn't the worst source out there for reports about other news organizations' stories, but their Health section is an abomination. The American Council on Science and Health just sent out an e-mail yesterday about how a Huffington Post author was still spreading the utter BS about autism being possibly caused by vaccines.

one of the problems with that site is that they're a news AGGREGATE. they just link to other people's stories, which are often not too well edited. some is just hearsay.

like all "news" oriented sources today, everything must be fact-checked by the reader. everyone's got an agenda, and the agenda is "mo money, mo money, mo money!" lol
 

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I just spoke to Dr. Seidman at 646-259-0305. I had a list of points I wanted to address, but he cut me off mid-way through my first point about the carcinogen number. He veered off subject, asking, "Do you know what the effects of directly inhaling nicotine into your lungs is?" I asked, "Are you asserting that nicotine is a carcinogen." He said no. Apparently taking less than .001% the carcinogens in a cigarette into your lungs is potentially harmful, but through a gum or patch? No worries.

He repeatedly said that e-cigarettes should be tested and regulated. When I asked him whether he thinks they should be regulated as a tobacco product or a drug delivery device, he replied, "I'm a doctor. I don't do law." When I tried to explain the significance of that classification, and how testing to be classified as a drug delivery device would result in the product being pulled off the market until then, he cut me off, said he had another call, and hung up on me.

Pleasant fellow :facepalm:
 

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I just spoke to Dr. Seidman at 646-259-0305. I had a list of points I wanted to address, but he cut me off mid-way through my first point about the carcinogen number. He veered off subject, asking, "Do you know what the effects of directly inhaling nicotine into your lungs is?" I asked, "Are you asserting that nicotine is a carcinogen." He said no. Apparently taking less than .001% the carcinogens in a cigarette into your lungs is potentially harmful, but through a gum or patch? No worries.

He repeatedly said that e-cigarettes should be tested and regulated. When I asked him whether he thinks they should be regulated as a tobacco product or a drug delivery device, he replied, "I'm a doctor. I don't do law." When I tried to explain the significance of that classification, and how testing to be classified as a drug delivery device would result in the product being pulled off the market until then, he cut me off, said he had another call, and hung up on me.

Pleasant fellow :facepalm:

Sounds like a typical coward to me. These antis love dropping bombs and then running away, refusing to engage any further. I suspect they know that some people are onto their agenda and they can't bs everybody. I intend to post a comment and will mention dr. siegel's work when I do.
 

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I just spoke to Dr. Seidman at 646-259-0305. I had a list of points I wanted to address, but he cut me off mid-way through my first point about the carcinogen number. He veered off subject, asking, "Do you know what the effects of directly inhaling nicotine into your lungs is?" I asked, "Are you asserting that nicotine is a carcinogen." He said no. Apparently taking less than .001% the carcinogens in a cigarette into your lungs is potentially harmful, but through a gum or patch? No worries.

He repeatedly said that e-cigarettes should be tested and regulated. When I asked him whether he thinks they should be regulated as a tobacco product or a drug delivery device, he replied, "I'm a doctor. I don't do law." When I tried to explain the significance of that classification, and how testing to be classified as a drug delivery device would result in the product being pulled off the market until then, he cut me off, said he had another call, and hung up on me.

Pleasant fellow :facepalm:

JUST ANOTHER PHONY.

he's a bizniss man with a bizniss plan. nothing more. i'd have told him it would be no more or less harmful than intake of nicotine through any other part of the body. the nicotine is not burned, it is vaporized. which means it is ABSORBED into the blood in the same condition and manner as his NRT.

I SUGGEST MORE PEOPLE CALL HIM TO EDUCATE THE GOOD "DOCTOR".
 

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It just dawned on me why Dr. Siedman is confused. He thinks that electronic cigarettes are intended to treat "nicotine addiction." No wonder he thinks they should undergo the same level of scrutiny as Nicoderm or Nicorette. Electronic cigarettes are aimed at long-term smokers who do not necessarily wish to stop using nicotine. They just want a less harmful way of doing so. When used as directed, to wean down and off nicotine, FDA-approved products have a success rate of 7% at 6 months, 5% at one year, and down to 2% at 20 months. Nicotine cessation is not effective. It puts smokers onto a cruel merry-go-round. [Use NRT; quit; suffer; relapse.] Repeat, over and over. The only winners are the tobacco companies and the drug companies.

The 31% success rate reported in Dr. Siegel's survey was not for nicotine cessation--it was for smoking abstinence.. Nicotine is not what causes lung disease, heart attacks, strokes, and cancers. It's the tar, CO, particulat.es, and thousands of chemicals created by the process of combustion. It is a well-kept secret that cigarette smokers who switch to cigars or pipes without inhaling reduce their health risk by 50%. Smokers who switch to non-combusted tobacco reduce their risks still further--by up to 99% for Swedish snus. Over 90% of e-cig users report that their health has improved. Some surveys not limited to a single brand show smoking abstinence success rates of up to 80%.
 

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"Do you know what the effects of directly inhaling nicotine into your lungs is?"

Apparently not a whole lot since that is what you do with a cigarette, we are just doing it minus the smoke, and plus a chemical used in my Asthma inhaler. I really wish they would stop asking this, because 1000's of people do this with a cigarette and I find it funny that wasn't the problem with the cigarettes for what a hundred years.
 

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This is the Physician Prescribing Information on the Nicotrol inhaler, directly from Pfizer. There is a table of the quit rates on page 4.

http://www.pfizer.com/files/products/uspi_nicotrol_inhaler.pdf

No serious cardiovascular events were reported in clinical studies with NICOTROL Inhaler, but if such symptoms occur, its use should be discontinued.

Carcinogenesis, Mutagenesis, Impairment of Fertility

Nicotine itself does not appear to be a carcinogen in laboratory animals. However, nicotine and its metabolites increased the incidences of tumors in the cheek pouches of hamsters and forestomach of F344 rats, respectively when given in combination with tumor-initiators.

So it would appear that as long as the good doctor does not prescribe tumor-initiators to his patients using any nicotine product, all would be well.
 
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