Huge difference in 801 attys

[quovadis]

I just wanted to mention something i think is really important.
I have been vaping for 12 weeks now and have not been able to get large vapor production from all my various devices.

I always thought this was related to the liquids.

I have found that with most 801 atty's i have to huff and puff really strong, with a ton of primer puffs to get them going.

I recently received some more expensive atty's janty makes.
Their classic atty..not the cheaper one.

These things are a totally different story...one small puff without primer puffs just gives me everything i want.

I am still very confused about 801 atty's...most of them have very little airflow and perform badly.

Frankly, i'm sick and tired spending hundreds of dollars and doing all this trial and error to find better materials that work.

I have about 30 801 atty's here at home that do not perform well.

Good performance to me is :
1. plenty of airflow without having to suck on the damned thing too hard.
2. Just produces tons of vapor, but the inhale is strong and satisfying.
(gives a lung and throat hit).
3. only a small puff is necessary.

I'm wondering how many of you have atty's that perform poorly, and you simply thought that all atty's perform this way?

 

[Zofryer]

The "Penstyle" atomizers with the 801 threading vary wildly. They have one major thing in common though, and that's superior cart capacity. In the end, that wins for me when I just want a movie or tv show vape.

Also, magic things happen at higher voltage. The characteristics of the atomizer change. I'm of the opinion that the best penstyle atomizer at 3.7v is the M201 on a manual switch of some kind. The best high volt so far for me is BE112 with carts, and the Janty TAWA on the rare occasion that I'm dripping a penstyle and not a 901. I haven't yet tried a M201 at six volts, but I have a Super-T on the way and I can't wait to try.

 

[RenaissancePuffer]

The Janty atty's are good, the Classic Kissbox and TAWA are identical (aside from the warranty). Both have 3 holes, 2 down the threads and one in the middle. The airflow is good.

I have just purchased 30 TW atty's and they only have the single hole in the center, so I suspect I'm going to get much less draw on them than the Janty brand. I haven't bothered to test them out yet since my Janty atty is still rocking with vapor and flavor.

I guess lessons learned, you have to find something that works good for you. Once you find it, stick with it, and save money in the long run.

Janty's warranty is great, as you know, it may actually end up being cheaper in the long run.

 

[quovadis]

What are the TW atty?

Is that the JANTY TAWA?

this is the only 801 that i have found works superbly on all voltages.

 

[Synthnadz]

RenaissancePuffer...

Can you possibly let me know when you test the TW 801 attys? I just ordered 10 of them out of desperation, and now I'm hoping that they live up to their 'low bridge' description and the implied performance boost.

I'm also considering ordering some JOYE302 attys from MyVaprStore, and also trying the Eastmall 801s. These BE112s from Bestecig are definitely not what I'm looking for. It's a pity I have almost 25 of them. ;-)

Ever since I got my Vaprlife VP1 I've been going nuts trying to replicate the performance I was getting out of the two attys that shipped with it. They were both low bridge 801s, and worked twice as well as anything I've tried since.

The struggle continues.

 

[quovadis]

who sells the BE112?

 

[Synthnadz]

The BE112 is the 801 atty from Bestecig.com. These are generally well-liked throughout the forums, but I myself haven't been digging them at all on my VP1. They're like a blend between a high bridge and a low bridge, you could say. They're not as high as some of the others, but they are still 'pointed'.

Hope that helps.

 

[RenaissancePuffer]

What are the TW atty?

Is that the JANTY TAWA?

this is the only 801 that i have found works superbly on all voltages.

TW is Totally Wicked. Not sure who manufacturers them but they are a low bridge style. BE112's are sold by bestecig.com.

Synthnadz - I'll let you know, I'm going home for lunch so I'll pop one in my JS and give it a go today. I can say that the Janty atty's are great, and I've heard very few mention bad things about them. You're gonna pay 17 bucks a pop for them unless you go with the TAWA non-warranty model ($9/ea for those). Janty is low bridge, great draw, nice vapor, just expensive!

 

[lotus14]

The "Penstyle" atomizers with the 801 threading vary wildly. They have one major thing in common though, and that's superior cart capacity. In the end, that wins for me when I just want a movie or tv show vape.

Also, magic things happen at higher voltage. The characteristics of the atomizer change. I'm of the opinion that the best penstyle atomizer at 3.7v is the M201 on a manual switch of some kind. The best high volt so far for me is BE112 with carts, and the Janty TAWA on the rare occasion that I'm dripping a penstyle and not a 901. I haven't yet tried a M201 at six volts, but I have a Super-T on the way and I can't wait to try.

Don't the m201s need a battery with holes so they're not compatible with other 801 batts? Are they compatible with the soft tip carts? Where do you get yours from?

 

[quovadis]

Yes i have a ton of the Best e cig ones...they are no good.
I got them from china.
Let me try the Totally wicked one.

 

[quovadis]

is it called the SD atomizer?

 

[quovadis]

ummm 23 bucks for 5 of them...are you sure they work well?

 

[MickiO]

My 801 atty's are GREAt! Easy draw, good vapor, no primer puff needed. They have SLB written on them. (no other holes except the main center hole) I just started mixing my own liquid and using VG and WOW! Huge! Plumes of vapor clouds. I have MS, and my cheek muscles are not that strong, I ordered the M-201, and it's too hard for me to draw through, gave myself a headache trying Lol. I don't like it.(It has 2 extra holes in it) The draw I get from my 801 is AWESOME, doesn't take very much effort to get good vapor and that's just what I need!!

ALSO: Prefilled carts can cause this. I can't use the pre-filled carts either, the draw is like trying to draw a marble thru a straw 8-o But, once you get some that extra liquid down, they work better. I stopped using them in the very beginning for this very reason. I rinsed the filler out, dried it w/a paper towel and use my favorite e-liquid to refill my carts. Works great!

 

[wv2win]

As Zofryer mentioned, you could have all your issues disappear and be able to get good performance from any of your 801 atomizers if you ONLY had the right device. I think most new members just never really read this forum. Why is it that members like Zofryer, myself and many others NEVER have any of these same issues that you see on here time after time after time even though we use the same atomizers?

Just get the right PV, it's that simple. Get a premiere device that is made to work well with the 801/BE112 atomizer. I personally think the Prodigy is one of the best if not the best. Zofryer probably has more premiere devices than anyone and can do the best comparisons. Here is the list or just continue to be frustrated:

The Big Nine in Long Battery Life Manual Switch PV’s:

Screwdriver: ecigscrewdriver.com
The Black Screwdriver Kit / Totally Wicked eLiquid / Electronic Cigarette eLiquid Store
Prodigy: PureSmoker.com - Home of the USA Built PV !!!
GG: SmokeJuice - HOME
JantyStick: Janty USA - Janty USA
LV/ZiMoshi:Personal Vaporizers : Hardass Vapor Shop
Super T: Super T, Innovative manufacturer of Personal Vaporizer products.
AdapteverR: Home - AdapteveR Home of the ORIGINAL USA built PV
Silver Bullet: AltSmoke | Personal Vaporizer Silver Bullet - Kit - Starter Kits
VP1/VP2: VaprLife

 

[RenaissancePuffer]

Multi-Pack 5 x Silver 801-Pen style-Atomisers / Totally Wicked eLiquid / Electronic Cigarette eLiquid Store

I don't know how well they work yet, but I'll be trying it out in my JS this afternoon and report back this evening. I suspect the draw is going to be tighter, but who knows. The threads on the Janty Stick where the atty connects has some gaps cut into it which may provide better airflow than some other connectors.

We shall see

 

[Synthnadz]

Thanks so much, RenaissancePuffer...

I'll be eagerly anticipating your report. ;-)

The Janty attys are $17 each? Wow. I sincerely hope that it doesn't come to that, for obvious reasons.

 

[wv2win]

My 801 atty's are GREAt! Easy draw, good vapor, no primer puff needed. They have SLB written on them. (no other holes except the main center hole) I just started mixing my own liquid and using VG and WOW! Huge! Plumes of vapor clouds. I have MS, and my cheek muscles are not that strong, I ordered the M-201, and it's too hard for me to draw through, gave myself a headache trying Lol. I don't like it.(It has 2 extra holes in it) The draw I get from my 801 is AWESOME, doesn't take very much effort to get good vapor and that's just what I need!!

ALSO: Prefilled carts can cause this. I can't use the pre-filled carts either, the draw is like trying to draw a marble thru a straw 8-o But, once you get some that extra liquid down, they work better. I stopped using them in the very beginning for this very reason. I rinsed the filler out, dried it w/a paper towel and use my favorite e-liquid to refill my carts. Works great!

The SLB 801's have FOUR holes! You just don't see them because of how the atomizer is made. And you can get plenty of vapor from a standard auto switch 801 but hardly any throat hit. There just simply is NO comparison to the auto 801 and a 5 or 6 volt device. The laws of electricity prove that.

 

[RenaissancePuffer]

The Janty attys are $17 each? Wow. I sincerely hope that it doesn't come to that, for obvious reasons.

$17 if you want a warranty, $9 if you don't. Their prices aren't low for a reason. That warranty is pretty solid at 6 months, compared to many others at 14 days.

I'm a bit of a gambling man at times, which is why I bought 30x non-warranty 801 atty's from TW. At $4 bucks and some change each, I figure it'll end up being cheaper in the long run.

 

[Synthnadz]

wv2win:

I agree that having a solid device is a fundamental necessity, but thinking that a solid battery unit will somehow circumvent issues inspired by a marginally designed atomizer simply isn't a fair assumption.

I have a VP1, which is designed to work with an 801 / BE112, and the BE112 attys that I unfortunately stockpiled perform horribly on it. This isn't user error or bad judgment, it's bad atomizer design.

 

[Nepenthy]

quovadis,

I thought you had 4 janty sticks?! Cant believe you are trying a Janty 801 atty for the first time! What did your janty sticks come with? I thought they were the 801/Penstyle, mine sure were. Anyway, its probably airflow, I have some 801s from another supplier that dont have the air holes in the threads.