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[Alex-J-C]

I think what he said was "has a weird, heavy, perfume-like, herby, flowery, bicarbonate of soda-ish note."

The Perfumers Apprentice (TPA) Blueberry (wild)- 1.5ml - 5%
(TPA) Grape juice 1.5ml - 5%
Lorann's - Saltwater Taffy- 2.1ml - 7%
(TPA) Smooth- 0.6ml - 2%
(TPA) Cotton Candy (not Circus)- 0.6ml - 2%

Maybe a bit over flavored Maybe a review of butterfly farts effect is in order.

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Thank you for your help. Ill be sure to have a good look through this post in a little bit. Unfortunately Hoosier was right. All my flavours so far have had this issue. Ill explain this in a reply to his post. Thanks again!

 

[dannyv45]

Eh, the only flag I got from the recipe was the EM amount. But that taste is typically from over flavoring.

I thought I read in a later post that the same taste came regardless of flavoring used.

Also, as always, I wonder what the OP's flavorless mix tastes like.

The flag that hit me the most was heavy, perfume-like, herby, flowery. But as you also point out base plays a big part but I didn't see anything directly pointing to base such as peppery or bitter in the OP's original post.. The only other thing would be the smooth and that combined with EM (cotton candy) can mute flavors making the mixer tend to compensate by adding more flavoring.

 

[Alex-J-C]

Eh, the only flag I got from the recipe was the EM amount. But that taste is typically from over flavoring.

I thought I read in a later post that the same taste came regardless of flavoring used.

Also, as always, I wonder what the OP's flavorless mix tastes like.

Hi Hoosier, thanks for taking the time to respond in my thread. You were right, I did say it happened to all my flavours so far. Whether or not because that is partly due to over flavouring or EM amount I cannot say for sure. However, I'm pretty certain that the bulk of my issue, if not all of it, is coming from the TPA/TFA Smooth Flavouring. Probably because of my own over-eagerness to get started and have nice smooth flavours I have added this to ALL of my flavours so far.... my bad :/ So I think this might explain the issue. I just ordered new ingredients last night so I will be sure to post how the next batch- with both lower and no LorAnn flavouring and no Smooth flooring- goes. Thanks again. Ill be sure to check how the base mix tastes if this goes .... up again.

 

[dannyv45]

Hi Hoosier, thanks for taking the time to respond in my thread. You were right, I did say it happened to all my flavours so far. Whether or not because that is partly due to over flavouring or EM amount I cannot say for sure. However, I'm pretty certain that the bulk of my issue, if not all of it, is coming from the TPA/TFA Smooth Flavouring. Probably because of my own over-eagerness to get started and have nice smooth flavours I have added this to ALL of my flavours so far.... my bad :/ So I think this might explain the issue. I just ordered new ingredients last night so I will be sure to post how the next batch- with both lower and no LorAnn flavouring and no Smooth flooring- goes. Thanks again. Ill be sure to check how the base mix tastes if this goes .... up again.

I think your on the right track. Eliminate the smooth reduce the cotton candy to no more then 1% and reduce the
The Perfumers Apprentice (TPA) Blueberry (wild)- 1.5ml - 5%
(TPA) Grape Juice 1.5ml - 5%
Lorann's - Saltwater Taffy- 2.1ml - 7%

Percentages

 

[Alex-J-C]

The flag that hit me the most was heavy, perfume-like, herby, flowery. But as you also point out base plays a big part but I didn't see anything directly pointing to base such as peppery or bitter in the OP's original post.. The only other thing would be the smooth and that combined with EM (cotton candy) can mute flavors making the mixer tend to compensate by adding more flavoring.

Thanks for this info, I didn't know about this so I will be sure to remember it. I'm not very experienced so I didn't really think to add any extra flavour to compensate. From smell and taste alone I can sense all the flavours very well- not at all over powering. However, its almost like the flavours are covered by a herby, bicarb-y, flowerer veil- the same way gummies are veiled and have their flavour influenced by sour-fizzy crystals. I think its the smooth because thats what it smells like. Might I have added a bit too much smooth to the mix? or do you think maybe I got a dodgy Smooth concentrate?

 

[dannyv45]

You seem to know more then most at your experience level so keep at it.

 

[Alex-J-C]

I think your on the right track. Eliminate the smooth reduce the cotton candy to no more then 1% and reduce the
The Perfumers Apprentice (TPA) Blueberry (wild)- 1.5ml - 5%
(TPA) Grape Juice 1.5ml - 5%
Lorann's - Saltwater Taffy- 2.1ml - 7%

Percentages

Thanks Dannyv45, I'll cut them down a bit when all my stoof comes. I think thats probably a good call because my juices since using salt water taffy have been preeeeety dark- especially when compared to the juice I'm trying to emulate. Thanks again!

 

[Alex-J-C]

You seem to know more then most at your experience level so keep at it.

Thank you. All the best.

 

[dannyv45]

you misunderstood me. Adding more flavoring to compensate for to much smooth and EM is what gets you to this point in the first place. Overflavoring is what leads to heavy, perfume-like, herby, flowery taste.

 

[Alex-J-C]

you misunderstood me. Adding more flavoring to compensate for to much smooth and EM is what gets you to this point in the first place. Overflavoring is what leads to heavy, perfume-like, herby, flowery taste.

Ah, ok. If smooth seems to mute it too much in the future I will lower down or eliminate the smooth instead rather than raising flavour percentages.

 

[dannyv45]

I also noticed your base is very VG heavy. Balancing a base is very important. To thick a base will lead to flavor loss. You need to add distilled water to a base that is 70% VG or greater. To thick a base leads to poor wicking and flavor desolving. It should be at about the consistancy of PG or a 50/50 mix. Try starting by adding 5% Distilled water and work up. Also remember to much water is no good either. This can make tanks leak and flood. Also your flavors are PG so you need to take that into concideration when thinning a mix as PG also acts as a thinning agent.

 

[Alex-J-C]

I also noticed your base is very VG heavy. Balancing a base is very important. To thick a base will lead to flavor loss. You need to add distilled water to a base that is 70% VG or greater. To thick a base leads to poor wicking and flavor desolving. It should be at about the consistancy of PG or a 50/50 mix. Try starting by adding 5% Distilled water and work up. Also remember to much water is no good either. This can make tanks leak and flood. Also your flavors are PG so you need to take that into concideration when thinning a mix as PG also acts as a thinning agent.

Okay, thank you. But my e juice doesn't seem to be any thicker than the ones that I buy at 80% and they seem to wick fine when I have used them. Wouldn't this just take them really harsh? I'm subohming by the way.

 

[dannyv45]

Ah, ok. If smooth seems to mute it too much in the future I will lower down or eliminate the smooth instead rather than raising flavour percentages.

I would eliminate it. The only time you need smooth is when mixing tobaccos. It's meant to tame a domonent flavor so it don't over power other flavors. Getting the flavor percentages right in the first place eliminates the need for smooth.

 

[Alex-J-C]

I would eliminate it. The only time you need smooth is when mixing tobaccos. It's meant to tame a domonent flavor so it don't over power other flavors. Getting the flavor percentages right in the first place eliminates the need for smooth.

Ah, great! thank you!

 

[dannyv45]

Okay, thank you. But my e juice doesn't seem to be any thicker than the ones that I buy at 80% and they seem to wick fine when I have used them. Wouldn't this just take them really harsh? I'm subohming by the way.

Harshness is dictated by the quality of the base and quantity of nicotine. It is common knowledge that a poorly prepared base and inferior base products lead to harshness issues. Give the water a try you have nothing to loose.

 

[dannyv45]

Let me suggest some reading to give you more insight into the finer points of DIY.

My blogs will give insight into all aspects of DYI, from steeping to what supplies to have on hand to a basic walk through mixing your first E-juice.

E-Cigarette Forum - dannyv45 - Blogs

Then read hoosier's blogs. These blogs concentrate on fine tuning your mix and give insight on additives.

E-Cigarette Forum - Hoosier - Blogs

Then read Boletus's blog's. These blogs concentrate on formulation of nicotine bases regarding proper calculations methods for figuring Nicotine concentration as well as safety.

E-Cigarette Forum - Boletus - Blogs

Then read Ginger's book "E-Cigarettes 102: DIY E-Liquid". It is a book which I've contributed to that delivers an in depth easy to follow guide in the art of DYI.

E-Cigarettes 102: DIY E-Liquid

I recommend viewing VPLive Vape Team Episode #82: DIY Safety and bookmark it for future reference. It explains safety in all aspects of DYI.

VPLive Vape Team Episode #82: DIY Safety

then read the stickies at the top of the page.

this will explain a lot of the how's and why's.

 

[Alex-J-C]

Let me suggest some reading to give you more insight into the finer points of DIY.

My blogs will give insight into all aspects of DYI, from steeping to what supplies to have on hand to a basic walk through mixing your first E-juice.

E-Cigarette Forum - dannyv45 - Blogs

Then read hoosier's blogs. These blogs concentrate on fine tuning your mix and give insight on additives.

E-Cigarette Forum - Hoosier - Blogs

Then read Boletus's blog's. These blogs concentrate on formulation of nicotine bases regarding proper calculations methods for figuring Nicotine concentration as well as safety.

E-Cigarette Forum - Boletus - Blogs

Then read Ginger's book "E-Cigarettes 102: DIY E-Liquid". It is a book which I've contributed to that delivers an in depth easy to follow guide in the art of DYI.

E-Cigarettes 102: DIY E-Liquid

I recommend viewing VPLive Vape Team Episode #82: DIY Safety and bookmark it for future reference. It explains safety in all aspects of DYI.

VPLive Vape Team Episode #82: DIY Safety

then read the stickies at the top of the page.

this will explain a lot of the how's and why's.

Ah that sounds great, thanks for all the info. I'll check it all out in a sec!